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[John123453242]

Stop defending cheaters. Fixing glitches has nothing to do with this issue. A few of you aren't making any sense.

[jpraelster93]

John123453242 wrote...

Stop defending cheaters. Fixing glitches has nothing to do with this issue. A few of you aren't making any sense.

HOW DOES FIXING THE CHEATS NOT SOLVE THE ISSUE The host migration bug was supposed to be fixed it can be fixed stop acting like bioware cant fix it

[John123453242]

And they are probably working on it. You are acting like a two year old. Go ahead and name these perfect games that you play. The ones with zero errors or loopholes in the code. You aren't living in reality as you act like an entitled child.

You cheat, you get banned. This is how it should be.

[Feauce]

jpraelster93 wrote...

I agree but they shouldnt lie and say the stuffs fixed when it isnt they should make fixing the stuff THE TOP PRIORITY

I'm sure it is the top priority, and they probably did honestly think it was fixed. I'm guessing that you don't work at all with software, given these two thoughts. I do, and I can tell you, with software like ME3, it isn't easy to find the bugs sometimes, let alone fix them. Even when you do fix them, sometimes you only fixed one source of that bug, and something else causes it too that you didn't know about. Or the bug appears in twelve places in the code, and due to human error, only eleven of them get fixed. That kind of thing happens all the time. It doesn't mean they're bad at their jobs or that ME3 is irrevocably broken. It's actually quite normal.

[jpraelster93]

John123453242 wrote...

And they are probably working on it. You are acting like a two year old. Go ahead and name these perfect games that you play. The ones with zero errors or loopholes in the code. You aren't living in reality as you act like an entitled child.

You cheat, you get banned. This is how it should be.

it doesnt take this long to fix bugs if you have the right people working on it

[John123453242]

Ok, explain the fix to me. Be detailed and give tell me exactly what is wrong. I am a programmer, so don't be afraid of getting too technical.

[covertdrizzt]

I don't know that the host swap glich ect.. can be fixed without making it so that you can't rejoin after losing connection with server.

[jpraelster93]

covertdrizzt wrote...

I don't know that the host swap glich ect.. can be fixed without making it so that you can't rejoin after losing connection with server.

or make it so if the host drops out the game ends and all earned credits and experience is given to the remaining players

[T1l]

John123453242 wrote...

T1, then why would you agree with raging? He is defending cheaters. Can either of you point to someone being banned without legitamitely abusing the system? No? Then it seems that your, and his, reactions are the knee jerk reactions.

Cheaters get banned. It is like that in every online game that I play. Stop defending cheaters.

I've gone through and read every single one of your posts and you've reitterated the point that I'm 'defending cheaters' on three seperate occasions. Let me make this clear: I'm not. I do not condone cheating in any form and I think that anything which is against Bioware's Terms of Service should be punishable.

It's the degree of punishment that I'm calling in to question. I'm wondering if some of you come from countries where the removal of ones hand is still punishment for theft. I'll leave it at that.

[joker_jack]

Plan & simple as it stands, you cheat, you get banned. What I will never understand how people defend the cheaters so feverishly while they condemn the farmers.The farmers are at least playing the game.

[John123453242]

Alright T1. What game do you play that doesn't ban cheaters?

[Kel Riever]

John, don't even continue. If people can't get it through their thick skulls that cheating is a reason to ban, you, then the problem isn't going to be solved here. The problem probably needed to get solved with their parents, and probably a long time ago.

I don't approve of excessive punishment for cheating.  But basically, paying $60 for a game, and then getting banned, and needing to reregister by buying a new game and creating a new identity, isn't exactly world ending punishment either.

Modifié par Kel Riever, 20 juin 2012 - 07:24 .

[T1l]

John123453242 wrote...

Alright T1. What game do you play that doesn't ban cheaters?

GTAIV/Max Payne 3. Rockstar have implemented a system where people who cheat or have edited their game files are removed from the pool of legitimate customers and placed in their own 'cheaters' pool, where they can glitch and hack to their hearts are content.

However, I'd like you to read my original post where I state I think the punishment should be comparable to the crime. Editing ones coalesced.ini to give your character extra colour palettes, for example, is not the same as editing your coalesced.ini to give yourself infinite credits (which undermines legitimate paying customers who have purchased Bioware points).

Two different offences; two different penalties.

If the judicial system worked the way several of the forum members wanted it to, everyone would either be let off or be serving life sentences in prison. This is not how our society works.

EDIT: This is going to be my last post on this matter. I don't care enough to argue the point. I'm convinced the people who twist what I say in to me 'defending cheaters' are either blind or illiterate. Regardless, what Bioware does is what Bioware does. We ultimately have no say in their actions. Just for reitterations sake, I'll state it again, I DON'T CONDONE CHEATING IN ANY FORM AND I THINK THAT ANYTHING WHICH IS AGAINST BIOWARES TERMS OF SERVICE SHOULD BE PUNISHABLE.

Modifié par T1l, 20 juin 2012 - 07:28 .

[covertdrizzt]

jpraelster93 wrote...

covertdrizzt wrote...

I don't know that the host swap glich ect.. can be fixed without making it so that you can't rejoin after losing connection with server.

or make it so if the host drops out the game ends and all earned credits and experience is given to the remaining players

I don't think I would like the game ending in wave one.  I've lost connect and rejoined in the same wave.  So you think they should punish me and other players instead of the cheaters.  Sorry I don't think so.  They can't punish legit players because some ***holes want to cheat.

[John123453242]

TI, then name a person that was banned for something that you don't think they should be banned for. The extra color thing was a joke, not an example... You are defending cheating by not knowing what you are talking about. I can guarantee you that none of the cheaters were banned for changing their armors color. There was no injustice here until you can actually find an example. They have made it very clear that you are banned for cheating and exploiting glitches that give you an advantage. An armor color change doesn't seem to fit either of those.

[InfamousResult]

T1l wrote...

This is not how our society works.

Our society, and our judicial system, support this action. We agreed to a contract. We void the contract, we lose the privelage of online service. We don't lose our hands- something that we own, and would cause us pain. We aren't serving a life sentence, or being forced to do anything we don't want to. We are being denied a service because we agreed that they COULD deny us the service if we didn't play by their rules. We aren't even forced to buy an online pass again- we are simply given the option.

I'm sorry, but for all the complaints of "draconian justice", you guys sure do use some really awful draconian metaphors for justice to try and get your point across. It's not the same thing. It never was. This is the choice that the company made, and were completely in their right to do so- and if they, with their knowledge of their userbase and the gaming market, decided that this many players were worth banning and would not adversely affect the Multiplayer community, then I trust them a lot more than Johnny Forumgoer.

Keep banning cheaters, Bioware.

[jpraelster93]

Oh great its infamous him and john together will make bioware think banning is the permenant solution instead of fixing said exploits

[John123453242]

Hey jp, I still don't see any code examples of what is wrong with that host migration bug. I am really interested in seeing their source code. I may even be able to help.


This, "I'm not defending cheaters!" line is starting to remind me of Ricky Bobby and his "With all due respect,".

[InfamousResult]

There is no "instead".

They should ban cheaters AND fix the exploits.

One doesn't mean they shouldn't do the other.

[jpraelster93]

InfamousResult wrote...

There is no "instead".

They should ban cheaters AND fix the exploits.

One doesn't mean they shouldn't do the other.

I agree but so far they are only doing one

[John123453242]

You still aren't explaining the ease of the fix jp.

[Feauce]

T1l wrote...

Rockstar have implemented a system where people who cheat or have edited their game files are removed from the pool of legitimate customers and placed in their own 'cheaters' pool, where they can glitch and hack to their hearts are content.

BioWare has done exactly the same thing. The people who've been banned can still play ME3, they're just not welcome with the other, legitimate players in multiplayer.

[InfamousResult]

jpraelster93 wrote...

I agree but so far they are only doing one

Then go make a complaint thread about them not fixing the bugs, or join one of the already-existing threads. Stop arguing about them banning cheaters, when your real beef is with the Staff that do the Bug Fixes ( who are completely different from the ones that wield the Banhammer ).

Right now, you're just barking up the wrong tree.

[jpraelster93]

InfamousResult wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

I agree but so far they are only doing one

Then go make a complaint thread about them not fixing the bugs, or join one of the already-existing threads. Stop arguing about them banning cheaters, when your real beef is with the Staff that do the Bug Fixes ( who are completely different from the ones that wield the Banhammer ).

Right now, you're just barking up the wrong tree.

I just want to see things get fixed but I understand your point

[InfamousResult]

jpraelster93 wrote...

I just want to see things get fixed but I understand your point

We'd all like to see bugs and exploits get fixed. I don't think there's a single person here that actively thinks, "Boy, I hope Bioware doesn't fix their bugs." .. Except maybe people who cheat. They're probably the only people who don't want Bioware to fix things. And even that's a stretch.