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[JyrikGauldy]

Imagine that you're in a movie theater, you and your friends are attending the midnight premiere for the new Batman movie. The action and story is tense, and the entire movie is building up to a final climax........ then Batman suddenly turns into a duck and goes to Italy or something stupid like that..... Of course you would be furious, especially if you were a loyal Batman fan who had anticipated this movie for a long time. After a huge controversy, the filmakers decide to show a reimagined ending in theaters, free to watch if you can provide your ticket to the original movie. But this new ending would released months after the fact. Would anyone care at all to get thirty more minutes of new resolution after they have already experienced the original film in its entirety? People would've been dissapointed with the movie, but have long since moved on. 

This is exactly what's happening with Mass Effect 3.

A few months ago i was dying for this Extended Cut DLC. I was hard at work keeping my Galactic Readiness Level up to snuff, reading every article on the ending i could, and contemplating the indoctrination theory. But now i've moved on and i don't really care that much anynore. Sure, i'd like the ending to be fixed and i'll probably play the DLC, but it won't really matter anymore. I will have already played and finished the game a long time ago, also the gap in the narrative might be too jarring.

I guess i'll have to wait and see how it plays out...

[Taboo]

Yes.

I've seen much worse things be fixed with a bit more information.

Like Blade Runner.

No sane person views the original version as perfect.

[DazenCobalt17]

if they use the IT then yeah. yeah I support IT deal with it. but me3 will always leave a bad taste in my mouth no matter what. it would just be less of a bad taste.

[iggy4566]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes.

I've seen much worse things be fixed with a bit more information.

Like Blade Runner.

No sane person views the original version as perfect.

That is true , but here I don't know.

[Grimwick]

Lol.
What I was going to say is that BW are pretty insistent on keeping the choices and endings we have, but with some more scenes. If Shepard is still forced into suicide again, my LI still trapped on some stupid planet and the galaxy still left without relays/or equivalent then I will be massively disappointed in BW.
Other games like FO3 could be fixed with only a few tweaks, but ME3's problems are extensive and occur a good 10-15 minutes before the credits. I highly doubt that such bizarre and absurd concepts and claims made by the SC can be explained in simple cut scenes.

Oh, and synthesis won't be removed either. That hellhole is full of enough ethical horrors and space magic to wreck the series single-handidly - it is completely unsalvageable.

Modifié par Grimwick, 19 juin 2012 - 09:52 .

[Fireblader70]

Well, everywhere I go people are waiting for the Extended Cut and/or single player DLC.

I guess we'll find out if the wait was worth it sometime soon...

[dorktainian]

no.

[estebanus]

Yes.

The "broken steel" DLC for fallout 3 pretty much saved the entire franchise.

[Mev186]

I can't see how, but I'm nowhere near a good a storyteller as Bioware has shown itself to be. I'll give them a chance.

[Lone Triarii]

It’s entirely possible. Whether it does or not, we’ll just have to wait and see.

[Torrential]

Anything can or is possible. - Your individual experience of something is entirely up to you to create.

[Carlthestrange]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Yes.

I've seen much worse things be fixed with a bit more information.

Like Blade Runner.

No sane person views the original version as perfect.

Oh totally. The final cut now rates as one of my fave movies.

[Blue Gloves]

JyrikGauldy wrote...

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">A few months ago i was ]dying [/color]for this Extended Cut DLC. I was hard at work keeping my Galactic Readiness Level up to snuff, reading every article on the ending i could, and contemplating the indoctrination theory. But now i've moved on and i don't really care that much anynore. Sure, i'd like the ending to be fixed and i'll probably play the DLC, but it won't really matter anymore. I will have already played and finished the game a long time ago, also the gap in the narrative might be too jarring.

I guess i'll have to wait and see how it plays out...

Pretty much this ^  I'll probably play the DLC, but I'm fairly certain I'll never give an ME game another another full playthrough- which sucks because I have an emabarassing number of complete save games from 1 & 2.  I've just... moved on.  I loved the ME verse to pieces, played the games incessantly, then the ending crushed me and after a month or so of scouring the internet everyday for the tiniest grains of hope, I'm over it.

[breakdown71289]

JyrikGauldy wrote...

then Batman suddenly turns into a duck and goes to Italy or something

And then Bane suddenly turns into a pitbull chasing after quackers while Alfred facepalms at the batcomputer lol.

Modifié par breakdown71289, 19 juin 2012 - 10:23 .

[DatRandomGuy1]

The current ending has burned a Scar into my head, one I cannot remove...

But the Extended Cut should be loads better for an ending.

Unless they **** this up as well.

[Reorte]

Funny how Blade Runner is mentioned when that worked by cutting explanation. I've sometimes wondered if I'd have found the DC confusing if I'd not seen the original (although I don't want to be seen defending that voiceover!). Still, at least Blade Runner makes sense even if someone doesn't pick it up and gets confused - the pieces are all there.

Blade Runner is an interesting comparison in another way because whilst I want to end ME with my LI getting rid of that in Blade Runner and putting in something ambiguous worked there, mostly because it was done right and fitted the tone of the film in.

[knightnblu]

There are three possible outcomes for the EC DLC. Outcome 1, BioWare will have us on and do a half arsed DLC intended to mock the fans. Outcome 2, BioWare listened to the fans and understood our concerns and the DLC will repair much of the damage at the end of ME3. Outcome 3, BioWare pretended to listen to us, does not understand our concerns and will create a DLC that they want and nobody else cares for leading to riots in the streets (figuratively).

Which way BioWare will go is anybody's guess.

[LTKerr]

Grimwick wrote...

Lol.
What I was going to say is that BW are pretty insistent on keeping the choices and endings we have, but with some more scenes. If Shepard is still forced into suicide again, my LI still trapped on some stupid planet and the galaxy still left without relays/or equivalent then I will be massively disappointed in BW.
Other games like FO3 could be fixed with only a few tweaks, but ME3's problems are extensive and occur a good 10-15 minutes before the credits. I highly doubt that such bizarre and absurd concepts and claims made by the SC can be explained in simple cut scenes.

Oh, and synthesis won't be removed either. That hellhole is full of enough ethical horrors and space magic to wreck the series single-handidly - it is completely unsalvageable.

Mostly this.

Is it possible? Well, let's say it's not impossible. Or highly improbable. Or... nah, Bioware won't fix this mess.

[Darth Death]

If you're saying the EC could potentially save the ME series, then the answer is "no". The RBG endings will still be there, including the star child's logic.

[Reorte]

Grimwick wrote...

Oh, and synthesis won't be removed either. That hellhole is full of enough ethical horrors and space magic to wreck the series single-handidly - it is completely unsalvageable.

Pretty much this. Without it something could be done. I'm still thinking that the EC will make the ending acceptable but that'll probably have to have me pretending that the synthesis option simply doesn't exist. It's the space magic part that really bothers me about it (both by being magic and the fact that it sends the message that it's possible to build something that can do anything to anyone anywhere in the ME universe). I don't mind there being an ethically awful choice for the really unpleasant 100% renegade Shepards to chose, although the opportunity offered by Control would probably be enough for them.

[Code_R]

Depends how much work they put in. It's entirely open to improvement, decrease of quality or just plain nothing at all changing. Just extending the stupid "door number 3" scene though will not work.

[Reorte]

knightnblu wrote...

There are three possible outcomes for the EC DLC. Outcome 1, BioWare will have us on and do a half arsed DLC intended to mock the fans. Outcome 2, BioWare listened to the fans and understood our concerns and the DLC will repair much of the damage at the end of ME3. Outcome 3, BioWare pretended to listen to us, does not understand our concerns and will create a DLC that they want and nobody else cares for leading to riots in the streets (figuratively).

Which way BioWare will go is anybody's guess.

3 seems the most likely but I've still got a little bit of faith in 2. I don't see them spending money to do 1 because that'll just cost them future sales far more than 3 or doing nothing would've done.

[TaradosGon]

I don't think they can turn the ending into something amazing, especially since they refuse to do away with the Catalyst. So there's always going to be that character trying to prevent that thing that there was no evidence for, based on inductive reasoning about a pattern of how past civilizations evolved, when the reapers controlled those paths of evolution through the Citadel and Mass Relays.

Alter what the Catalyst says (I still say they should just do away with him, leave the Citadel itself as the Catalyst) and build an epilogue that shows us the consequences of our actions, and they can at least turn a terrible ending into an OK/decent ending.

But I also notice a lot of people favoring the control/destroy/synthesis are all happy endings. I don't mind a happy ending, but I think Bioware should look to their previous games and also include a renegade ending (Looking at you, Control).

[Montana]

It might make me love ME again, might.

If it makes the ending bareable I might be able to think about ME without getting angry and even replay all three games (and possibly future ones).

But some damage is already done, no doubt about that.

[thesnake777]

We are going to find out....