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[wantedman dan]

Makrys wrote...

Too early to judge. The EC will reveal what is true.

The very fact that the endings required EC in such a manner speaks to its poor execution.

[MegaSovereign]

wantedman dan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

What choice do they have? They can't beat the Reapers conventionally.

And come on, they were exaggerating with the whole "we have no idea what it does." How the hell do you build something without having the slightest clue to what it can do. They AT LEAST knew that it transfers energy using the mass relays. What they didn't know was whether they built it well enough to where it doesn't backfire and obliterate everything. This is where EMS comes into play.

If you're going to call exaggeration on "we have no idea what it does,"

I claim exaggeration on "We can't beat them conventionally." Obviously, if you had high enough Military Score, you kicked Reaper ass above Earth.

EMS is quite another ridiculous argument.

Sir, your argument is ****.

"We can't beat them conventionally" is an UNDERSTATEMENT. They would be annihilated.The Reapers have been around for millions of years. The fact that it took multiple fleets to take down Sovereign (ONE capital ship) back in ME1 shows how powerful a Reaper armada is.

Besides you're using a straw man. What does one claim have to do with the other.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 20 juin 2012 - 03:20 .

[sparkyo42]

Makrys wrote...

There's two ways you can look at it, the entire team was involved in making the ending (which Bioware has confirmed) and they simply intended the endings as they are; open, confusing, 'dream like', etc. to later reveal a 'twist' in a future DLC.

Or you believe that Hudson and Walters shut everyone off and wrote the ending on their own (which Bioware has denied repeatedly) and they both willingly sent their trilogy to hell because somehow when it came to the final 10 minutes they lost all ability to think logically. Also, forgot everything the trilogy was built on.

People are free to believe what they want. I will choose to believe what Bioware has confirmed, and what makes sense from both a business standpoint and a realistic standpoint.

It is ridiculous to think that Walters and Hudson were the only ones involved with the ending. Its been denied numerous times, yet people still flaunt it about because it suits their agenda to hate on Bioware. It is impossible to even do such a thing. The script has to go threw many stages, and even before Mr. Muzyka himself, before it is put into action. There is no way everyone at Bioware would let the end fly... unless they all knew it wasn't 'over' yet.

I know I will get flamed for this, but I don't care. It is impossible for what some of you are proclaiming to have happened, actually happened. It doesn't work that way. You don't have to believe me. I'm just telling you.

On the other hand the idea that of everyone that signed off on what we got, nobody in the room raised the question what happens if this goes wrong? What happens if the fans don't see our vision? To me that's the elephant in the room. These people know more about gaming habits and us than we imagine I'm sure.

To take a gamble that they could end like this and come back 6-9 months later with DLC (that we'd pay for on top of €90's worth of first day) is a huge gamble that I don't see a high up signing off on. The potential risks were and have been proven to be huge. The core buy Bioware now matter what, how many left TOR after ME3.

To me if everyone in the room nodded their heads to this they deserve the damage this has done.

[wantedman dan]

TMA LIVE wrote...

That or die like the Protheans, and the ones before them.

Never said their options were fair, sweet pea.

[Devil Mingy]

Makrys wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Even if they didn't write this together, they executed it POORLY.

Assuming the endings are to be taken at face value. Which they have implied many times, they are not.

What I wouldn't give to share your optimism. I'm dead serious.

[Heiwa no Senso]

wantedman dan wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

That or die like the Protheans, and the ones before them.

Never said their options were fair, sweet pea.

they are options, of course.

[Makrys]

sparkyo42 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

There's two ways you can look at it, the entire team was involved in making the ending (which Bioware has confirmed) and they simply intended the endings as they are; open, confusing, 'dream like', etc. to later reveal a 'twist' in a future DLC.

Or you believe that Hudson and Walters shut everyone off and wrote the ending on their own (which Bioware has denied repeatedly) and they both willingly sent their trilogy to hell because somehow when it came to the final 10 minutes they lost all ability to think logically. Also, forgot everything the trilogy was built on.

People are free to believe what they want. I will choose to believe what Bioware has confirmed, and what makes sense from both a business standpoint and a realistic standpoint.

It is ridiculous to think that Walters and Hudson were the only ones involved with the ending. Its been denied numerous times, yet people still flaunt it about because it suits their agenda to hate on Bioware. It is impossible to even do such a thing. The script has to go threw many stages, and even before Mr. Muzyka himself, before it is put into action. There is no way everyone at Bioware would let the end fly... unless they all knew it wasn't 'over' yet.

I know I will get flamed for this, but I don't care. It is impossible for what some of you are proclaiming to have happened, actually happened. It doesn't work that way. You don't have to believe me. I'm just telling you.

On the other hand the idea that of everyone that signed off on what we got, nobody in the room raised the question what happens if this goes wrong? What happens if the fans don't see our vision? To me that's the elephant in the room. These people know more about gaming habits and us than we imagine I'm sure.

To take a gamble that they could end like this and come back 6-9 months later with DLC (that we'd pay for on top of €90's worth of first day) is a huge gamble that I don't see a high up signing off on. The potential risks were and have been proven to be huge. The core buy Bioware now matter what, how many left TOR after ME3.

To me if everyone in the room nodded their heads to this they deserve the damage this has done.

I believe they intended a DLC later, to flesh out the endings and reveal said 'twist'. But yes, they did NOT know they would receive so much backlash from the current endings. So they instead reprioritized their DLC schedule to provide that planned DLC now.

[wantedman dan]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Sir, your argument is ****.

"We can't beat them conventionally" is an UNDERSTATEMENT. They would be annihilated.The Reapers have been around for millions of years. The fact that it took multiple fleets to take down Sovereign (ONE capital ship) back in ME1 shows how powerful a Reaper armada is.

lol ****** off, rube. 

Did you even pay attention to the cutscene depicting the battle? If you did, you would have noticed the GETH ARMADA following Sovereign. That contributed to the destruction in a much larger manner than Sovereign.

The Reapers have never faced such an amassed fleet, at least by Javik's interpretation. The Reapers took casualties--this was in the war cutscene. They're obviously not indestructable and they're obviously not as powerful as they bullshat at us.

Modifié par wantedman dan, 20 juin 2012 - 03:24 .

[TMA LIVE]

wantedman dan wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

That or die like the Protheans, and the ones before them.

Never said their options were fair, sweet pea.

I'm just saying, sounds like you're not going to like any answer, even if it's logical.

And that's if I'm giving them the credit of a logical reason. They might just have Joker saying he grabbed everyone because he didn't want to be alone with EDI on Planet X. And that he's now pregant with EDI's AI baby because of Synthesis.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 20 juin 2012 - 03:23 .

[Naruana]

wantedman dan wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Too early to judge. The EC will reveal what is true.

The very fact that the endings required EC in such a manner speaks to its poor execution.

Assuming the endings are in fact the ending.

[Makrys]

wantedman dan wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Too early to judge. The EC will reveal what is true.

The very fact that the endings required EC in such a manner speaks to its poor execution.

That's your opinion. I see it differently.

[wantedman dan]

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just saying, sounds like you're not going to like any answer, even if it's logical.

And that's if I'm giving them the credit of a logical reason. They might just have Joker saying he grabbed everyone because he didn't want to be alone with EDI on Planet X. And that he's now pregant with EDI's AI baby because of Synthesis.

I like my answer, or any other that is up to par in argument to mine. Thus far, you haven't given me such.

[sparkyo42]

Makrys wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

On the other hand the idea that of everyone that signed off on what we got, nobody in the room raised the question what happens if this goes wrong? What happens if the fans don't see our vision? To me that's the elephant in the room. These people know more about gaming habits and us than we imagine I'm sure.

To take a gamble that they could end like this and come back 6-9 months later with DLC (that we'd pay for on top of €90's worth of first day) is a huge gamble that I don't see a high up signing off on. The potential risks were and have been proven to be huge. The core buy Bioware now matter what, how many left TOR after ME3.

To me if everyone in the room nodded their heads to this they deserve the damage this has done.

I believe they intended a DLC later, to flesh out the endings and reveal said 'twist'. But yes, they did NOT know they would receive so much backlash from the current endings. So they instead reprioritized their DLC schedule to provide that planned DLC now.

Then they dropped the ball utterly, and this fallout should have been more. The idea that you'd have to pay months after the game you bought to get an actually ending to it defies belief. It's not clever or smart it's a pathetic attempt to squeeze more money out of the consumer.

And before you point out it's free, it's only free because they know they can't get away with charging for it.

I hope this stunt haunts them.

Modifié par sparkyo42, 20 juin 2012 - 03:26 .

[wantedman dan]

Makrys wrote...

That's your opinion. I see it differently.

When have you ever been sold a piece of media that required expansion demanded by the fanbase?

[Taboo]

They dropped the ball.

Big time.

BIG ****ing time.

Hudson will never face the public again. The fanbase will eat him alive.

[TheClonesLegacy]

wantedman dan wrote...

Makrys wrote...

That's your opinion. I see it differently.

When have you ever been sold a piece of media that required expansion demanded by the fanbase?

Fallout 3?

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Hudson will never face the public again. The fanbase will eat him alive.

As they should.

[Makrys]

sparkyo42 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

On the other hand the idea that of everyone that signed off on what we got, nobody in the room raised the question what happens if this goes wrong? What happens if the fans don't see our vision? To me that's the elephant in the room. These people know more about gaming habits and us than we imagine I'm sure.

To take a gamble that they could end like this and come back 6-9 months later with DLC (that we'd pay for on top of €90's worth of first day) is a huge gamble that I don't see a high up signing off on. The potential risks were and have been proven to be huge. The core buy Bioware now matter what, how many left TOR after ME3.

To me if everyone in the room nodded their heads to this they deserve the damage this has done.

I believe they intended a DLC later, to flesh out the endings and reveal said 'twist'. But yes, they did NOT know they would receive so much backlash from the current endings. So they instead reprioritized their DLC schedule to provide that planned DLC now.

Then they dropped the ball utterly, and this fallout should have been more. The idea that you'd have to pay months after the game you bought to get an actually ending to it defies belief. It's not clever or smart it's a pathetic attempt to squeeze more money out of the consumer.

And before you point out it's free, it's only free because they know they can't get away with charging for it.

I hope this stunt haunts them.

I highly doubt they would have charged for it. And you don't know that they would have. Hate all you want. I will remain optimistic until I have no further reason to.

[TheClonesLegacy]

Taboo-XX wrote...

They dropped the ball.

Big time.

BIG ****ing time.

Hudson will never face the public again. The fanbase will eat him alive.

I wouldn't eat him,
I'd throw eggs at him.

Modifié par TheClonesLegacy, 20 juin 2012 - 03:28 .

[wantedman dan]

TheClonesLegacy wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Makrys wrote...

That's your opinion. I see it differently.

When have you ever been sold a piece of media that required expansion demanded by the fanbase?

Fallout 3?

Which was predicated by a poorly executed ending.

[TMA LIVE]

wantedman dan wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

I'm just saying, sounds like you're not going to like any answer, even if it's logical.

And that's if I'm giving them the credit of a logical reason. They might just have Joker saying he grabbed everyone because he didn't want to be alone with EDI on Planet X. And that he's now pregant with EDI's AI baby because of Synthesis.

I like my answer, or any other that is up to par in argument to mine. Thus far, you haven't given me such.

Right back at yeah, dude. Your answer? Kind of below mine in my opinion.

[wantedman dan]

Makrys wrote...

I will remain optimistic until I have no further reason to.

Despite everything telling you to be otherwise in this process, you're still optimistic. That's truly incredible and naïve.

[Makrys]

wantedman dan wrote...

Makrys wrote...

That's your opinion. I see it differently.

When have you ever been sold a piece of media that required expansion demanded by the fanbase?

Once again, you believe it was demanded by the fanbase. I do not. Weekes has even said it was not. Gamble has implied multiple times it was already planned at release.

[sparkyo42]

wantedman dan wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Hudson will never face the public again. The fanbase will eat him alive.

As they should.

So true, this car crash was completely unnecassary for both Bioware and the Fans, but we weren't the ones that chose it.

[MegaSovereign]

wantedman dan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Sir, your argument is ****.

"We can't beat them conventionally" is an UNDERSTATEMENT. They would be annihilated.The Reapers have been around for millions of years. The fact that it took multiple fleets to take down Sovereign (ONE capital ship) back in ME1 shows how powerful a Reaper armada is.

lol ****** off, rube. 

Did you even pay attention to the cutscene depicting the battle? If you did, you would have noticed the GETH ARMADA following Sovereign. That contributed to the destruction in a much larger manner than Sovereign.

The Reapers have never faced such an amassed fleet, at least by Javik's interpretation. The Reapers took casualties--this was in the war cutscene. They're obviously not indestructable and they're obviously not as powerful as they bullshat at us.

In the war cutscenes we don't even see a capital ship getting destroyed. We see the fleets badly damaging one...but we NEVER see it get destroyed...In fact, I don't think we ever see a capital ship get destroyed throughout the entire game.

We only ever see destroyers get killed by conventional means, but that's because they're significantly weaker/smaller.

A united galaxy would slow down the Reapers, not defeat them. Nothing in the game suggests we can beat them through conventional means.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 20 juin 2012 - 03:29 .