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[Blueprotoss]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

PKchu wrote...

Declare it non-canon and call it a day, I guess.

They could have done that a long time ago but no.... + they promised to fix this issue (Uknown state of possible rewriting) + BW is still selling "Broken" version of Deception = ???? = $$$ Profit $$$

E: Confusing post in BioWare style!

I guess you don't read that many game based books like Star Wars, Star Trek, Resident Evil, Dead Space, Starcraft, Halo, Gears, DnD, and Warhammer to notice things like once in a while that hired writers actually screw up that the Publishers hired.

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...
I imagine they have a whole lot more on their plate at the moment.

Such as??
EC is done (and possible DLC(?) is in full production(?))
A lot of people (Me included) have stated that they won't buy the book because of the errors.... BW and rEApers like money, people have money, people won't buy things that are broken, people won't give money, BW and rEApers don't get any money from potential income source.

If this is true then a lot of people would have stopped buying Halo books after the Flood or playing halo games after Halo: Reach.   I highly doubt a handful of people are angry enough to stop buying something especially when it comes down to the science fiction genre.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:21 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

Blueprotoss wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

PKchu wrote...

Declare it non-canon and call it a day, I guess.

They could have done that a long time ago but no.... + they promised to fix this issue (Uknown state of possible rewriting) + BW is still selling "Broken" version of Deception = ???? = $$$ Profit $$$

E: Confusing post in BioWare style!

I guess you don't read that many game based books like Star Wars, Star Trek, Resident Evil, Dead Space, Starcraft, Halo, Gears, DnD, and Warhammer to notice things like once in a while that hired writers actually screw up that the Publishers hired.

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

AxStapleton wrote...
I imagine they have a whole lot more on their plate at the moment.

Such as??
EC is done (and possible DLC(?) is in full production(?))
A lot of people (Me included) have stated that they won't buy the book because of the errors.... BW and rEApers like money, people have money, people won't buy things that are broken, people won't give money, BW and rEApers don't get any money from potential income source.

If this is true then a lot of people would have stopped buying Halo books after the Flood and I highly doubt a handful of people are angry enough to stop buying something.

Correct, I don't read game based books, but don't underestimate the power of angry people ;> remember, BW made an official apology when people started to whine about Deception, BW is making nerfs to MP because people complain e.g OP weapons and  EC was done because (again) angry people demanded it.

[Blueprotoss]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Correct, I don't read game based books, but don't underestimate the power of angry people ;> remember, BW made an official apology when people started to whine about Deception, BW is making nerfs to MP because people complain e.g OP weapons and  EC was done because (again) angry people demanded it.

I hear a lot of entitlement from you based on "
I don't read game based books" and  " don't underestimate the power of angry people" since most Publishers will apologize for mistakes in video game adapted books.  I'm calling BS on the whole weapons nerf  based on how weapons work differenet with every class and race.  I alsocall BS about the  EC tbecause it was started before ME3's release, but it was announced after the small uproar.  It sounds like you should more on instead of dwelling on the past just like the other angry people.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 04 juillet 2012 - 03:43 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

Blueprotoss wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Correct, I don't read game based books, but don't underestimate the power of angry people ;> remember, BW made an official apology when people started to whine about Deception, BW is making nerfs to MP because people complain e.g OP weapons and  EC was done because (again) angry people demanded it.

I hear a lot of entitlement from you based on "
I don't read game based books" and  " don't underestimate the power of angry people" since most Publishers will apologize for mistakes in video game adapted books.  I'm calling BS on the whole weapons nerf  based on how weapons work differenet with every class and race.  I alsocall BS about the  EC tbecause it was started before ME3's release, but it was announced after the small uproar.  It sounds like you should more on instead of dwelling on the past just like the other angry people.

Weapons nerf was an e.g exempli gratia...  (TC nerf would have been better one, since that one was a "hot topic" for about 3 weeks) and do you have any proof on EC development being started before ME3 release?

I'm not dwelling in the past... and I'm certainly not angry,  I just want to read the Deception. ^^

[XqctaX]

XqctaX wrote...

We are waiting for the publisher to make the needed changes and give us an update on when it will be available. When we have information, we'll let everyone know. =)


that is the only answer you will get untill the publisher is done.

mabey i should have been clearer. this is the answer i got after asking an Mod in pm.
so its up to the publisher...

[Blueprotoss]

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Weapons nerf was an e.g exempli gratia...  (TC nerf would have been better one, since that one was a "hot topic" for about 3 weeks) and do you have any proof on EC development being started before ME3 release?

I'm not dwelling in the past... and I'm certainly not angry,  I just want to read the Deception. ^^

A good example is the ME3 panel at 2012's PAX East and if ii wasn't produced in some form then there would have been no EC release.  Another example was from the voice actor ME3 trailer on Martin Sheen saying there is more to come.

If you weren't dwelling on anger then you wouldn't be mad.   I really have no reason to read Deception based on how its going be listed non-cannon just like most of the problematic adaption books.

XqctaX wrote...

mabey i should have been clearer. this is the answer i got after asking an Mod in pm.
so its up to the publisher...

Yep its all up to the Publisher. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 04 juillet 2012 - 10:25 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

Ah yes the Deception fiasco. I'm glad people haven't forgotten it. Just one of many embarrassments for Bioware lately.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 05 juillet 2012 - 10:53 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

Blueprotoss wrote...

PanzerGr3nadier wrote...

Weapons nerf was an e.g exempli gratia...  (TC nerf would have been better one, since that one was a "hot topic" for about 3 weeks) and do you have any proof on EC development being started before ME3 release?

I'm not dwelling in the past... and I'm certainly not angry,  I just want to read the Deception. ^^

A good example is the ME3 panel at 2012's PAX East and if ii wasn't produced in some form then there would have been no EC release.  Another example was from the voice actor ME3 trailer on Martin Sheen saying there is more to come.

If you weren't dwelling on anger then you wouldn't be mad.   I really have no reason to read Deception based on how its going be listed non-cannon just like most of the problematic adaption books.

XqctaX wrote...

mabey i should have been clearer. this is the answer i got after asking an Mod in pm.
so its up to the publisher...

Yep its all up to the Publisher. 

There is more to come

 

That can mean a lot of many things... possibly DLCs.

Why you keep calling me angry or mad?? I just don't get it....

I really have no reason to read Deception based on how its going be
listed non-cannon just like most of the problematic adaption books.

Fine, you don't want to read Deception and thats ok, but that doesnt mean nobody else don't want to do anything about it.

[The h0bb1t]

The other books were surprisingly good, so I'm interested in this one, but BIOWARE, i'm not buying it until it is fixed.

[XqctaX]

the reason the other books were good and the writing was topnotch in me1 was. well drew was involved.

he left halfway into me2. and ever since that everything when downhill.

coinsidence. i dont think so!

[Blueprotoss]

The h0bb1t wrote...

The other books were surprisingly good, so I'm interested in this one, but BIOWARE, i'm not buying it until it is fixed.

Yet you're butying the books from Del Ray not Bioware because the Publisher are making these books just like how the other video game franchise books.

XqctaX wrote...

the reason the other books were good and the writing was topnotch in me1 was. well drew was involved.

he left halfway into me2. and ever since that everything when downhill.

coinsidence. i dont think so!

Its easier to look back on nostalgia and most of this "downhill" affect is coming from ME3 being the conclusion of Shepard's story arc. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 05 juillet 2012 - 08:08 .

[XqctaX]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The h0bb1t wrote...

The other books were surprisingly good, so I'm interested in this one, but BIOWARE, i'm not buying it until it is fixed.

Yet you're butying the books from Del Ray not Bioware because the Publisher are making these books just like how the other video game franchise books.

XqctaX wrote...

the reason the other books were good and the writing was topnotch in me1 was. well drew was involved.

he left halfway into me2. and ever since that everything when downhill.

coinsidence. i dont think so!

Its easier to look back on nostalgia and most of this "downhill" affect is coming from ME3 being the conclusion of Shepard's story arc. 

even thou your arguments have a valid point in its own,
this is not the case for me with mass effect  its quite simple i might add.

ME1 = drew lead writer 
ME2 = drew co writer for half the game. mabey a bit more (i'd have to go back and read drews statements)
ME3 = drew not involved

ME1 = far better writing on all levels
ME2 = writing got a little worse,  But the improved gameplay helped people overlook that.
ME3 = possebly worst videogame ending to date, plotholes, character inconsistency, breaking lore
thematically revolting when comparing to the other 2.95.. games narrative. sloppy work thrue and thrue.

lets look at the books.

all books b4 deception = drew writier and the writing IS good

deception =deitz writer, character inconsisteny, tech, lore, deitz broke pretty much everything
sloppy writing to the point it was ridicolous, 
( how many times did they eat, and eat and eat and eat..)

you can call it an coinsidence all day long if you want. But that does not make it true.
drew IS a better leadwriter. and know the lore, characters, etc by heart. obviuosly mac, casey and deitz does not.

they also choose to change everything up the last minutes in the third installement
and  in that they made so many writing misstakes it only further adds to my side of the "argument" 

But in mac's defence. I still think he can be a very good characterwriter If
he is peer-reviewed. 

Modifié par XqctaX, 05 juillet 2012 - 11:43 .

[PanzerGr3nadier]

So join the alliance, spread the disease before we come
Collapsing halls, skycrapers fall, the fleet comes from the blackest hole

[Ozzy]

Ah, brings back some good memories of the Deception thread earlier on.

[PanzerGr3nadier]

AstusOz wrote...

Ah, brings back some good memories of the Deception thread earlier on.

Alas, Hope is the last one to die.

[Tasker]

Just more Pre-release Bioware lies.

It'll never get changed.

[JoltDealer]

Based on what I've heard, the issues with the book are numerous. If it's taking this long to fix it, I bet it's probably because they are addressing each problem and dealing with it accordingly. All that is needed is that we be patient.

[SKBlitz2176]

All DLC's released, no change of ending/s, and no further DLC planned in the future. Why release the book? It's too late boys and girls. Plus it doesn't do much for the game itself, any characters in the book we've already seen in the game or only heard about won't do much for the game itself and several plotlines have ended or became a discontinued plothole.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

...Yeah, we determined that 8 months ago KingSick.

Deception's not gonna update.

[Beliar86]

I remember when a fix was said to be on the way.

Propaganda and lies.

Pre-order from a year ago CANCELED

[Piggy_Nightmare]

Is there any update of the deception updated edition? I searc h everywhere but it seems it is still on hold?
Have get the book but do not want to read it after checking the error list. 

[Eain]

We're close to a year and a half after Deception's original release. It's not going to happen. Bioware doesn't care about story quality. If they did they'd have hauled ass.

[felipejiraya]

It's dead Jim.

[Damitus]

According to original "bug list" I read a year ago, that book required not an update, but serious rewriting,
Probably they decided it will be prohibitively expensive to do...

[Han Shot First]

Damitus wrote...

According to original "bug list" I read a year ago, that book required not an update, but serious rewriting,
Probably they decided it will be prohibitively expensive to do...

Pretty much this.

With Bioware having apologized for Deception only to later backtrack from the rewrite promise, I think Deception's official status is  now 'not canon.' Bioware is just pretending it never happened, sort of like Lucas with the Star Wars Holiday Special.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 mai 2013 - 01:18 .