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[TheChris92]

Logan Cloud wrote...

So you made an inference based on what you know. That doesn't mean in any way, shape, or form that you know what happens after MGS4.

I never said that. I said I knew what happened to Snake, it's pretty much written in stone in the game itself. Unless there's some sort of retcon in play then I see no reason to further debate this. I don't know why you seek to argue about it. It seems to me based on what has been released so far that the Raiden games, starting with Reveageance, will serve as a Post-Guns of the Patriots story even though it isn't canon. Whatever happens post-Guns of the Patriots will be about Raiden. The whole point of Metal Gear Solid 4 was to showcase "Snake's final mission". It was to wrap everything up and it pretty much did.

[Mr.House]

How was MGS4's ending a cliffhanger? There is nothing to go from that ending. Everything is resolved.

[Arcadian Legend]

Mr.House wrote...

How was MGS4's ending a cliffhanger? There is nothing to go from that ending. Everything is resolved.

Something new can always be made to pop up.

[Rockworm503]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I can't wait to watch this movie.

ROFL.

Alil interactive movie jokes aside I can't wait for this regardless.

I'm actually not joking.  4 ruined the entire series for me and I loathe to imagine another one.  I can only see them going even longer with the cutscenes

[TheChris92]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

How was MGS4's ending a cliffhanger? There is nothing to go from that ending. Everything is resolved.

Something new can always be made to pop up.

A cure for old age and a supposedly incureable disease?
I sure hope not. Let me tell you something. Once upon a time there was a game made by Hideo Kojima. This game was called Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, it was supposed to be Kojima's final game on MGS. But unlike MGS4 it left off some loose ends with a confusing ending. So he chose to make a prequel to expand upon a character that has been mentioned a lot, and then he wrapped everything up in MGS4 "Snake's Final Mission". As far as I'm concerned there's still some room to expand on Big Boss, because hey! Like you said. "Something new can always be made to pop up" right? If the game is gonna feature Solid Snake then it'll most likely be a prequel, which, I don't mind at all. Because quite frankly we haven't gotten a lot of Young Snake action. So I say bring him out.

[TheChris92]

Logan Cloud wrote...

I'm not arguing, I'm having a discussion. It makes the most sense to follow Snake, because he's the only character other than Raiden that we don't know what happened to. And Rising is going to follow Raiden the way I see it. We've already gone back to Big Boss, and we know what happens after Peace Walker. It doesn't make sense to go back to him again.

So, should George Lucas make another Star Wars film to tell what happened to Luke after Return of the Jedi, even though the general plot and everything had already wrapped up? Some stories should simply have an end and not be expanded upon for the heck of it.

[TheChris92]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Why does there have to be a cure for anything? Why are you assuming Snake is even the main character? I said that MGS5 will most likely continue after MGS4, because we don't know what happens after, whereas we already know about everything else.

Now you're confusing things. I'm not assuming Snake is the protagonist, you are. "It makes the most sense to follow Snake, because he's the only character other than Raiden that we don't know what happened to". I am arguing against why Snake simply can't be a protagonist in a post-Guns of the Patriots game. What I am saying is that Snake could be the protagonist if it was a prequel, since there's barely been any Young Snake screen time.

Modifié par TheChris92, 21 juin 2012 - 12:08 .

[TheChris92]

Logan Cloud wrote...

I said follow Snake. Because we don't know what happens. Similar to how the very ending of MGS4 followed Big Boss, because we didn't know what happened to him. (Well we had an idea, but you get the picture.)

I didn't say Snake was the main protagonist. But we know he's in the game, so no, the game's probably not anything about Big Boss, unless it's featuring Snake as a baby or something. That is unlikely however, because Hideo said Snake was in the game, and the only place we can go with Snake, is after 4, because we already know wabout him from Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2, Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 2, and Metal Gear Solid 4.

Really, the only logical direction, is forward.

Sure, and it's called "Metal Gear Rising: Revegeance".

I'm sure it would be logical, if all one cared about was simply to milk the franchise for all its worth instead of adding something coherent to the already established lore. Can nothing be left to the imagination? If you recall, in Metal Gear Solid 4 Snake only has a few months (pretty sure it was 6)  to live in and he can't fight anymore because he's tired. The whole mission in MGS4 is wearing down on him, he's too old.  It could also be a sequel to MGS2 and prequel to MGS4. There's still potential for a prequel, and saying he is in the game could mean anything.

Modifié par TheChris92, 21 juin 2012 - 12:24 .

[TheChris92]

Have I offended?/Tyrion Lannister

Okay, let me clarify again. Big Boss's story, Solid Snake's story. They are two different two stories that gets wrapped up together. I guess you could call Peace Walker just milking the franchise, if it wasn't for the fact that it actually added and clarified some questions that has been raised in Metal Gear Solid 3. I'm gonna say it again. The reason why I think a sequel to Metal Gear Solid 4 is plain stupid is simply because everything was wrapped up in that game. If you could point out what sort of cliffhanger, what sort of information you felt like the game didn't explain to you then please PM me about it. Let's take another example. Every played Halo? Let me ask you something. Was there really a reason to make a sequel to Halo 3? That is three sequels by the way. Sweet Zombie Jesus, why do you assume I'm trying to hound you into a corner like a stray dog? I'm not in fact, I'm quite surprised why you always seem to get so easily angered, when I'm trying to point something out here. Dismissing everthing I have to say and calling it irrelevant assumptions isn't exactly a recipe for a good discussion. If you think I was insulting your intelligence by using the analogy of milking a franchise... then you would be wrong. I do not want Hideo to make another Big Boss game, in fact, I would actually like a Young Snake if you hadn't noticed that in my previous posts by the way. When I said "if all one cared about" I was referring to the game developers, sunny boy, not you. So calm down for a moment. They went back to him again after MGS4 because Snake's story was done, and there was only one game made for Big Boss, so he felt there could be more to elaborate on there. I see no problem with that, but if you do then I guess that's your business then. Not trying to point out faults in people's opinions here. I never once did. Followed him for years now? We have what, like 3 games with him. And what do we have with Snake (Metal Gear Solid 1, 2, 4, Metal Gear, Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake, spin-offs). We have like over 5 games with him. What's one more game with Big Boss gonna hurt anyway? I never once said I was against a Solid Snake game. Only a game post-Guns of the Patriots. Not trying to insult you, or diminish your opinion if that's what you think. So I'll leave it at this. Good day to you, sir.

[Khayness]

One thing is sure, he will troll everyone hard for making him do another MGS.

[TheChris92]

Logan Cloud wrote...

Why do you assume I'm mad? This is following your logic here. And don't call me "sunny boy".

Don't try to turn this all around on me by saying you were politely trying to state an opinion, because you weren't. And don't try to act like you're maturely ending a discussion by playing the "good day sir" card. You can't handle the fact that someone thinks differently than you, and so you refuse to continue a discussion.

You're comment was "I'm sure it would be logical, if all one cared about was simply to milk the franchise for all its worth..." and I said it was logical, therefore, your comment was directed at me, not the developers. You can try to act like the innocent bystander who was attacked all you want, but the fact of the matter is, I said I didn't think Big Boss was a good idea for the next game, and you got butthurt about it.

We both seem to assume a lot of things, huh? No, I didn't get butthurt over it, in fact I'm not planning on continuing this discussion because it is 3 A.M. I need some sleep. And fine I won't call you sunny-boy if you think that is somehow an insult too, like you seem to "assume" everything I'm saying to you is. But hey, I guess we both do that, don't we? It's usually how these discussions goes. Won't be much discussion from them, Logan. Once again "If all one cared about" was directed towards game developers, I honestly did consider adding "Because I don't think Kojima is DAT GUY". But I 'assumed' that it wouldn't lead anywhere anyway. Because so far this has just been an endless marathon of agree to disagree. I'm not insulting your opinion at all, think of me what you like, because like I said I was never against a game with Snake in it. I was against a game that takes place post-Guns of the Patriots. And you seem to dislike Big Boss, so that's fine. All the more power to you. Stop trying to make it seem like I'm trying to put you down as it won't lead anywhere but to slander and name calling. I asked that if you think that MGS4 has a 'cliffhanger-esque', where more needs to be explained with another game ending, then please tell me all about it in a PM but you haven't. I didn't get butthurt over anything, you're just again assuming I'm mad for you having a different opinion than mine. I could care less if Big Boss is in the next game, I never once said "he needs to be in the game". I already told you that I said that I didn't mind a game with Solid Snake if it was a prequel, and added coherent content to the overall lore. Hope that clarifies some things, I certainly hope so. So what if I say "Let's agree to disagree." Could we drop it then and move on? Sleep is required, so goodnight then.

EDT: If I seem angry, then it's because it's late at night, so no. For the last time. I'm not angry, I'm not butthurt as you put it, and I'm certainly not trying to downgrade. I'm just tired. Believe that or not.

Modifié par TheChris92, 21 juin 2012 - 01:42 .

[TheChris92]

Logan Cloud wrote...

You're saying the same things as before, which were already adressed, and don't pertain to what I said most recently, so this conversation is stuck in a hole, and we're both wasting our time.

So you agree to drop it then? Good.

[chunkyman]

As long as it doesn't include dumb, stupid, ***, anime Raiden, I'll be happy.

I want Snake and proper sneaking mechanics like MGS3.

[Seeker Sparrow]

This is one of the first artworks of the early in development Metal Gear Solid 5, this is clearly Big Boss and there appears to be still story to be told with BB.

For one we know that Big Boss meets up with Naomi Hunter and also re-unites with Frank Jaegar in Rhodesia, Africa. He also has had an encounter with Sniper Wolf at some point during the Outer Heaven years, so it's possible that we play as Big Boss and we're quite literally building the Outer Heaven Base as well as stopping any insurgence in that area.

[Arcadian Legend]

Can we has source?

[Seeker Sparrow]

This is from an article by Playstation Universe, the other one I think may be from an article I read from Kotaku but not entirely sure. But these were both images that were used as recruitment promo's for new employees to help work on the FOX Engine.

[Arcadian Legend]

Very interesting. I do see some room for Snake in there if it is about Big Boss and Outer Heaven. Infact probably the youngest incarnation we've seen yet. You never know, they may surprise us and give something on Liquid too.

[Seeker Sparrow]

Maybe they'll intertwine the Big Boss story with Solid Snake's from Outer Heaven and Zanzibar Land as one game, interesting.

Though having said that you're combining 3 possible games into one, when I'd probably prefer 3 actual games out of it.