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[Talogrungi]

Cortez is a decently written character; my only issue with him (and Vega/Traynor/Allers) is that they took positions in the narrative that I would have preferred have gone to established characters like Joker, Jacob, Chambers and Emily Wong.

I don't know if it's ever been officially confirmed/denied, but judging from the dialogue in ME2, Jacob was intended as a same sex romance option.

I'd also have preferred Joker taking a more active role as a shuttle pilot rather than Cortez; Joker is awesome and I feel he could have been used more.

I can understand why they didn't retain characters who could potentially die in ME2 (the cost/time associated with having to record multiple dialogues with different VAs) but pfft .. the whole thing that made the ME series different and cool was that the player was able to influence whether characters lived or died.

They should have followed through on that imo, especially in the finale.

[BP93]

No.

He's not important outside of being a LI. That's the whole reason he's there, they just made him a shuttle pilot in an effort to make his character somewhat relevant. In ME2, there was no shuttle pilot at all and during Mars, James is the pilot...so???

Whatever floats your boat I guess. You can completely ignore him through the whole game if you so choose and the only thing that results from it is he gets blown up (which saves you from the out-of-place "You sure?" remark too!) in the final mission..

Besides, it got old hearing about his husband every conversation. How I wish there was a renegade option that just said "I ****ing died, man." just to shut him up. Yeah, poor you. Your overstricken with grief, stop whining... NEXT.

Modifié par BP93, 21 juin 2012 - 12:20 .

[MrStoob]

No. He's just needy. The crap you have to go through just for him to live is dull.

[xOnYourRadar]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

xOnYourRadar wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

I found him annoying honestly, Yes, you lost your husband i feel bad, but I loss both my parents in a slave attack, stop complaining.
Just my opinion tho.

He's grieving because he lost his husband to the Collectors 6 months ago; Shepard's had years to grieve and get over the loss of his/her parents.  Besides, anyone who loved and lost thier spouse in such a way would be scarred by such an experience.  I feel Cortez an authentic representation of humanity.  If one can allow themselves to understand his position, I don't know how they could find that annoying. :/

No not only that, there 's a few other things. I don't hate him, but a few things annoy me.
1-How he always finds a reason to leave early in a mission.
2-the part where he almost gets shot down, and the absurd dialogue.
3-And still the grieving, I get annoyed at characters where they're plot revolves around grieving.

Apart from that hes cool, I don't find him underrated.

You're right.  I suppose underrated was the wrong choice of words.  I suppose underappreciated would be more fitting.

Modifié par xOnYourRadar, 21 juin 2012 - 03:42 .

[BadExamp1e]

BP93 wrote...

No.

He's not important outside of being a LI. That's the whole reason he's there, they just made him a shuttle pilot in an effort to make his character somewhat relevant. In ME2, there was no shuttle pilot at all and during Mars, James is the pilot...so???

Whatever floats your boat I guess. You can completely ignore him through the whole game if you so choose and the only thing that results from it is he gets blown up (which saves you from the out-of-place "You sure?" remark too!) in the final mission..

Besides, it got old hearing about his husband every conversation. How I wish there was a renegade option that just said "I ****ing died, man." just to shut him up. Yeah, poor you. Your overstricken with grief, stop whining... NEXT.

Basically... this.

Instead of feeling like his Commander, I felt like Shepard was his psychologist. Most people have lost someone. Hell, Shepard can lose most of his friends, and die himself. His husband died six months ago... why do I have to walk this guy through his grief step by step? Geez. I talked to him to stop that damn recording from playing, though.

Modifié par BadExamp1e, 21 juin 2012 - 04:30 .

[xOnYourRadar]

Wow. You guys are mean. :/

[BP93]

xOnYourRadar wrote...

Wow. You guys are mean. :/

We're not allowed to have differing opinions?

Then why start a thread?

[Ryzaki]

Another character that would've been much better off without Carth Syndrome.

That said I don't think he's underrated.

[Ryzaki]

BadExamp1e wrote...

BP93 wrote...

No.

He's not important outside of being a LI. That's the whole reason he's there, they just made him a shuttle pilot in an effort to make his character somewhat relevant. In ME2, there was no shuttle pilot at all and during Mars, James is the pilot...so???

Whatever floats your boat I guess. You can completely ignore him through the whole game if you so choose and the only thing that results from it is he gets blown up (which saves you from the out-of-place "You sure?" remark too!) in the final mission..

Besides, it got old hearing about his husband every conversation. How I wish there was a renegade option that just said "I ****ing died, man." just to shut him up. Yeah, poor you. Your overstricken with grief, stop whining... NEXT.

Basically... this.

Instead of feeling like his Commander, I felt like Shepard was his psychologist. Most people have lost someone. Hell, Shepard can lose most of his friends, and die himself. His husband died six months ago... why do I have to walk this guy through his grief step by step? Geez. I talked to him to stop that damn recording from playing, though.

Same reason my Shep can't tell the VS to STFU and deal with it. Railroading for everyone.

[Wulfram]

Ryzaki wrote...
Same reason my Shep can't tell the VS to STFU and deal with it. Railroading for everyone.

Can't you basically do that on Mars?

[BP93]

Ryzaki wrote...

BadExamp1e wrote...

BP93 wrote...

No.

He's not important outside of being a LI. That's the whole reason he's there, they just made him a shuttle pilot in an effort to make his character somewhat relevant. In ME2, there was no shuttle pilot at all and during Mars, James is the pilot...so???

Whatever floats your boat I guess. You can completely ignore him through the whole game if you so choose and the only thing that results from it is he gets blown up (which saves you from the out-of-place "You sure?" remark too!) in the final mission..

Besides, it got old hearing about his husband every conversation. How I wish there was a renegade option that just said "I ****ing died, man." just to shut him up. Yeah, poor you. Your overstricken with grief, stop whining... NEXT.

Basically... this.

Instead of feeling like his Commander, I felt like Shepard was his psychologist. Most people have lost someone. Hell, Shepard can lose most of his friends, and die himself. His husband died six months ago... why do I have to walk this guy through his grief step by step? Geez. I talked to him to stop that damn recording from playing, though.

Same reason my Shep can't tell the VS to STFU and deal with it. Railroading for everyone.

You can. With a bullet.

And with renegade options on Mars/hospital. That too.

Modifié par BP93, 21 juin 2012 - 04:45 .

[BadExamp1e]

Or just basically say "STFU IDC" On Mars. And stay the hell of my ship.

[xOnYourRadar]

BP93 wrote...

xOnYourRadar wrote...

Wow. You guys are mean. :/

We're not allowed to have differing opinions?

Then why start a thread?

It's not that I'm shooting down your opinions. I just think it's horrible that you guys are saying you wish he was disabled, wish you could renegade interrupt him, or that you wish him death or are glad he died.  Not everyone can be as cool headed as Shepard and move on from friends' death so quickly. Some people cope with things more emotively.  And losing a husband/wife in battle is a pretty big deal.  Would u have felt differently if it was a woman mourning the death of her husband? I hope not.

Modifié par xOnYourRadar, 21 juin 2012 - 04:52 .

[Ryzaki]

Wulfram wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
Same reason my Shep can't tell the VS to STFU and deal with it. Railroading for everyone.

Can't you basically do that on Mars?

This applies to everyone who said it.

Not really. It's more *attempt to explain* then "ENOUGH!" that's not STFU deal with it. Close but no cigar.

And when you shoot them Shepard does that barf worthy "Oh noes!" (NVM the fact that you can act like a true renegade later.   Or you can gun down Wrex and be like "meh" in both ME1 and ME3!) Just dumb. Dumb dumb dumb. I can't even import my renedouche because of the interactions with half the crew turn him massively OOC. Goddamn autodialogue. Can't even tell the VS to GTFO without it sounding like he's their BFF and personal cheerleader.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 21 juin 2012 - 04:57 .

[kumquats]

Padt wrote...

I like him a lot. Good guy. Good character. His writer and (especially) his voice actor did some good work with him.

^
This, I'm just careful with character threads these days. There is a lot of bashing and hating going on. So most of the time, I flee the scene with my epic vanish ability.

Oh Q.E.D. *vanish*

[BP93]

xOnYourRadar wrote...

BP93 wrote...

xOnYourRadar wrote...

Wow. You guys are mean. :/

We're not allowed to have differing opinions?

Then why start a thread?

It's not that I'm shooting down your opinions. I just think it's horrible that you guys are saying you wish he was disabled, wish you could renegade interrupt him, or that you wish him death or are glad he died.  Not everyone can be as cool headed as Shepard and move on from friends' death so quickly. Some people cope with things more emotively.  And losing a husband/wife in battle is a pretty big deal.  Would u have felt differently if it was a woman mourning the death of her husband? I hope not.

So?

Shepard is his Commander, not his shrink. None of my concern if he needs a support group. The renegade options aren't bad, because you can essentially tell him "tough ****, get back to work" but the game doesn't want you to do that. How many renegade options are there compared to paragon? I'm not even talking about romance either, I mean as in up until the bar scene? The "Do it for me" option, the interrupt as the Alliance ship flies by, the memorial wall shoulder tap...

Just think he's not a vital character, which he really isn't if you think about it. Is he a friend later on in the game? Sure, but it's not like their best pals like Garrus or something. He's just "there" for anyone who isn't interested in romance.

[Blacklash93]

I like him, but I can understand people not liking the strong case of Carth Syndrome going on.

He lost his spouse 6-8 months before ME3 and actually during ME2 and he's in a bleak war that will decide the fate of everyone in the galaxy and all organic life. Is he not allowed to reflect on what he's lost in life on down-time? I understand people saying it was laid on too thick for them and agree to an extent, but does every character have to be consistently amusing or fun-loving to not be annoying or a horribly-written character? That's how it feels on BSN at times.

Just think he's not a vital character, which he really isn't if you think about it. Is he a friend later on in the game? Sure, but it's not like their best pals like Garrus or something. He's just "there" for anyone who isn't interested in romance.

What about the other misc. Normandy crew members over the installments of the series? Kelly was borderline useless and most of the others just dispense lore about the workings of the ship. At least Steve makes those requisition purchases possible and makes the shuttle scenes a bit more lively. He has more of an active and tangible role than most plus you can have extended interactions with him.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 21 juin 2012 - 06:21 .

[Hvlukas]

 I don't know if I feel he's underrated, really. I personally really like him, his story, his writer's choices and his looks and voice acting. I totally romanced him and enjoyed it.

But can a character like him ever be really appreciated? Not because he's gay, but because his part in the story is non-essential to the plot and he's also reduced to being merely there for the emotional/romance stuff. I'd like to tell myself, because I'm glarringly naive, that most people think "Ermh, Eh" about him, isn't because he's gay or grieving (though I DO suspect some don't like him because he cried, oh the horror), but rather because he's like Traynor, or Vega or that pointless Journalist girl (well, okay, not THAT pointless) .. in that he doesn't help make story progress or move forward. Kaidan, Garrus, Ashley, Tali and all the rest can help you fight the Reapers and are vitally integrated into the events of the story, while Steve just sits there and wait for you to make his story come together, rather than the story or your story. I still love him though.

In the future, I hope we see another, more integrated type of gay character. A vital one, who you can take with you on missions, maybe even has his or her own attached mission. 

Modifié par Hvlukas, 21 juin 2012 - 06:50 .

[Blacklash93]

It's too bad he had to lay all the heavy stuff on Shepard whenever they interacted because there was obviously a fun, snarky side to him. I would have liked to see more of that.

Anyway, Traynor was better. Of course she was written by Weekes so that's a given. A shame they didn't do more with her.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 21 juin 2012 - 06:47 .

[ForThessia]

I liked the side he showed when talking to vega but all the moppy-ness annoyed me, he always dies for me cuz i forget to talk to him

[BP93]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Just think he's not a vital character, which he really isn't if you think about it. Is he a friend later on in the game? Sure, but it's not like their best pals like Garrus or something. He's just "there" for anyone who isn't interested in romance.

What about the other misc. Normandy crew members over the installments of the series? Kelly was borderline useless and most of the others just dispense lore about the workings of the ship. At least Steve makes those requisition purchases possible and makes the shuttle scenes a bit more lively. He has more of an active and tangible role than most plus you can have extended interactions with him.

Well I don't know about the requistion thing, he had the one line of dialogue saying that was one of his jobs but that's the only time it ever even comes up. Just another thing they tossed in to make him seem relevant to the story. Kelly was basically your secretary and I agree, she was rather useless. Chakwas/Michel actually serve a unique purpose in being the ship's doctor and in charge of the med-bay. Gabby and Ken are largely irrelevant, considering they don't even talk unless Ashley is alive. Adams was in ME1 and can actually be the only engineer if Tali is dead + Gabby and Ken aren't on board, plus he interacts with Chakwas/Michel.

Aside from Joker, Adams and whoever the doctor is, the crew characters are just like Cortez... they're just "there". So that's my point, if he's not a LI, there really isn't anything that stands out about his character. So IMO, no he isn't underrated or underappreciated. If anything, the character might be over-.

Modifié par BP93, 21 juin 2012 - 06:59 .

[Beep Il]

Hvlukas wrote...


But can a character like him ever be really appreciated? Not because he's gay, but because his part in the story is non-essential to the plot and he's also reduced to being merely there for the emotional/romance stuff.

The only characters who are essential to the plot are Shep, Liara, Anderson and Joker basically. The others just happen to make cameos occasionally.

Hvlukas wrote...


In the future, I hope we see another, more integrated type of gay character. A vital one, who you can take with you on missions, maybe even has his or her own attached mission. 

Well... There's Kaidan! I consider him to be gay since there are no FemShep's around in my copy of the game.

[Hvlukas]

Beep Il wrote...

Well... There's Kaidan! I consider him to be gay since there are no FemShep's around in my copy of the game.

Yeah, I know, and I'm big on Kaidan. I just wish he wasn't in the closet. Everybody knows from previous games, that he's had that Rahni girl in the past, so everybody just assumes he's straight. Apparently being "out" is a no-no for major characters, the conclusion would seem to be. I really hope gaming companies drops the "secretly gay", "in the closet", "non-showingly bi" OR "minor character you can ignore" behind and create rich, diverse and even unlikeable characters in the future.

/ Naive rant.

[Blacklash93]

BP93 wrote...
Well I don't know about the requistion thing, he had the one line of dialogue saying that was one of his jobs but that's the only time it ever even comes up. Just another thing they tossed in to make him seem relevant to the story. Kelly was basically your secretary and I agree, she was rather useless. Chakwas/Michel actually serve a unique purpose in being the ship's doctor and in charge of the med-bay. Gabby and Ken are largely irrelevant, considering they don't even talk unless Ashley is alive. Adams was in ME1 and can actually be the only engineer if Tali is dead + Gabby and Ken aren't on board, plus he interacts with Chakwas/Michel.

Aside from Joker, Adams and whoever the doctor is, the crew characters are just like Cortez... they're just "there". So that's my point, if he's not a LI, there really isn't anything that stands out about his character. So IMO, no he isn't underrated or underappreciated. If anything, the character might be over-.

He specifically says he manages those weapon orders.

And yeah he is relevant to the ship first and foremost and has an active role on the ship that is seen in gameplay and on missions. Even him being concepted as a LI doesn't change that. Cortez was made with an active supporting role and has a character arc regardless of whether you want to romance him. And Chakwas/Michel don't actually do anything, I'll add and they have nothing about them that calls for a unique identity. They take roles that never become relvant to gameplay or story. Same with Adams. Do I really need to know who the engineer of the ship is?

The fact is I don't but it's appretiated and valued that he's there all the same. These people give the official crew character and the Normandy itself in the big picture. I'd like to know who is in charge of the communications and who gets the stuff I order because it makes the game feel more alive and the crew more distinctive. Same for my engineer, doctor, chef, ect. Does it matter if they happen to be LIs for a particular group of people?