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[Beep Il]

BP93 wrote...


Aside from Joker, Adams and whoever the doctor is, the crew characters are just like Cortez... they're just "there". So that's my point, if he's not a LI, there really isn't anything that stands out about his character. So IMO, no he isn't underrated or underappreciated. If anything, the character might be over-.

The doctor has been useless and largely irrelevant in all games so far. Adams is also "just there." He gives one task to do -just like the doctor gives- and then nothing. Steve interracts with the crew too or did Vega resign in your copy? 

People seem to bash the ME3 only characters, because "Omg! Wherez my Reegar or Shiala or Wong or the ME2 crew like Rupert who waz so awesome. He had a whole one line in the game. WHere iz he?" I agree ME2 squadmates had a hard time in ME3, but that doesn't mean they got gimped in favor of a few new characters. And I really don't know why Reegar would serve in alliance ship all of sudden. Nor do I know why Wong would be there(Replacing Allers you say? I don't let Allers touch the Normandy, but at least she knows what she is doing. In ME1, Wong was just a helpless damsel in distress).

Did people bash Rupert, Donnely, Kelly and Daniels when ME2 launced since Pressly, Adams and the licence boy weren't part of the SR2? If so, they got over it and it's time to get over it again. If they didn't, then they probably won't whine now either.

Someone make a picture with Steve wearing sunglasses and with a text "Deal with it."

[Blacklash93]

Beep Il wrote...
People seem to bash the ME3 only characters, because "Omg! Wherez my Reegar or Shiala or Wong or the ME2 crew like Rupert who waz so awesome. He had a whole one line in the game. WHere iz he?"

The way people cling to these fringe, situational characters amuses me to no end.

ME1 Shiala - "Shiala gave and explained to us the cipher and said she wanted to help the colonists recover... So deep and interesting!"

ME2 Shiala - "She flirted with me and served the purpose of telling me the consquences of my actions on Feros... LI plz!"

"Rupert made a joke about cleaning the toilets AND making food. So funny I want him back!

"Reegar is voiced by a celebrity and only has two short conversations. OMG squadmate/LI plz!"

"Lorik is a sassy Turian with a dry sense of humor. So unique MUST MAKE SUPPORT SIGS!"

Modifié par Blacklash93, 21 juin 2012 - 07:49 .

[Beep Il]

Ahahhaha! Comedy gold since it's so true.

[Spetulhu]

Cortez is fine for what he was intended to be. He has some good dialogue, you feel like you're making a difference for him just by being there and his interactions with Vega add a bit of humor to an otherwise pretty bleak game. He could still be better, but I wouldn't call him underrated by any means.

[aj281977]

I like Steve but thats as far as we go. I don't mind helping him move on with his life, and I enjoy him go at it with muscle man Vega...lol

[Han Shot First]

darthnick427 wrote...

I liked him. He was a cool cat and is a total bro if you don't romance him. One of my favorites of the new ME3 characters. Doubt I'll ever romance him since i'm not into that, but an cool dude regardless

This.

[CrimsonN7]

I liked Steve, he's an honest guy I just think when Kaidan was also a gay romantic option too people naturally flocked to him as he is an established veteran of the crew, people had built a strong relationship with him, Cortez is the new guy so he got a bit of a raw deal in that regard. I only play femshep myself so I won't ever romance Steve but he's a good friend to my femshep nonetheless.

Modifié par CrimsonN7, 22 juin 2012 - 03:21 .

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Beep Il wrote...
People seem to bash the ME3 only characters, because "Omg! Wherez my Reegar or Shiala or Wong or the ME2 crew like Rupert who waz so awesome. He had a whole one line in the game. WHere iz he?"

The way people cling to these fringe, situational characters amuses me to no end.

ME1 Shiala - "Shiala gave and explained to us the cipher and said she wanted to help the colonists recover... So deep and interesting!"

ME2 Shiala - "She flirted with me and served the purpose of telling me the consquences of my actions on Feros... LI plz!"

"Rupert made a joke about cleaning the toilets AND making food. So funny I want him back!

"Reegar is voiced by a celebrity and only has two short conversations. OMG squadmate/LI plz!"

"Lorik is a sassy Turian with a dry sense of humor. So unique MUST MAKE SUPPORT SIGS!"

Maybe these are just memorable characters that were very interesting that we want more time with.....

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Beep Il wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

4- "truly a good joke". So your saying everyone appreciates him more as you do, at least thats how it comes off
6-Same, just standing my ground.

4. Nonooonono. I didn't mean it like that. I meant that I can't possibly love him more than the rest of the community does combined since there's thousands of people who have an opinion about him and I'm just one guy. There are people who like him, love him, dislike him and hate him, and I'm totally cool with that.

6. Saying "obtuse" was mean and I did consider it to be a personal attack.

4-Sorry I took it the wrong way.
6-It wasn't.

[o Ventus]

I like Steve. He's a cool guy. I also enjoy the back-and-forth's he has with James from time to time. He's easily one of my favorite non-squad characters, along with Traynor.

I have never romanced him though. I'm heterosexual IRL, and play a heterosexual male Shepard (romancing Miranda).

[gisle]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Beep Il wrote...
People seem to bash the ME3 only characters, because "Omg! Wherez my Reegar or Shiala or Wong or the ME2 crew like Rupert who waz so awesome. He had a whole one line in the game. WHere iz he?"

The way people cling to these fringe, situational characters amuses me to no end.

ME1 Shiala - "Shiala gave and explained to us the cipher and said she wanted to help the colonists recover... So deep and interesting!"

ME2 Shiala - "She flirted with me and served the purpose of telling me the consquences of my actions on Feros... LI plz!"

"Rupert made a joke about cleaning the toilets AND making food. So funny I want him back!

"Reegar is voiced by a celebrity and only has two short conversations. OMG squadmate/LI plz!"

"Lorik is a sassy Turian with a dry sense of humor. So unique MUST MAKE SUPPORT SIGS!"

Amusing... You find their bashing of the character you support silly, and then you repeat what you find silly 5 times. I can't figure BSNers at times.

Modifié par Gisle-Aune, 22 juin 2012 - 10:01 .

[Blacklash93]

Gisle-Aune wrote...
Amusing... You find their bashing of the character you support silly, and then you repeat what you find silly 5 times. I can't figure BSNers at times.

Never said any bashing was going on or I find it silly. I understand people finding Steve's widower issues a bit overbearing even though that's about it.

Is it wrong to find it funny that people grow attatched to the ideas of these bit-part characters who have no more than 30 lines of dialogue and and serve very specific situational purposes for quests and flavor then say they're squadmate/LI material? If we had all these characters reoccuring we'd have an even more severe case of "small galaxy" syndrome.

There was that Pressley character, for instance, on the SR1 who had one short conversation with Shepard at the beginning of ME1 and when it was discovered he died at the beginning of ME2 before it came out people were suddenly acting like he was an incredibly interesting and valued character. Now THAT is silly.

Maybe these are just memorable characters that were very interesting that we want more time with.....

They either made a few good jokes or came off as badass (don't see what anyone views in Reegar, honestly). So does almost everyone in Mass Effect. I don't see how it makes these characters particularly memorable or interesting. I'm not saying these characters weren't entertaining for what they were, but when all is said and done they filled their bit roles and moving on to new characters is perfectly fine.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 22 juin 2012 - 05:19 .

[gisle]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Never said any bashing was going on or I find it silly. I understand people finding Steve's widower issues a bit overbearing even though that's about it.

Is it wrong to find it funny that people grow attatched to the ideas of these bit-part characters who have no more than 30 lines of dialogue and and serve very specific situational purposes for quests and flavor then say they're squadmate/LI material? If we had all these characters reoccuring we'd have an even more severe case of "small galaxy" syndrome.

There was that Pressley character, for instance, on the SR1 who had one short conversation with Shepard at the beginning of ME1 and when it was discovered he died at the beginning of ME2 before it came out people were suddenly acting like he was an incredibly interesting and valued character. Now THAT is silly.

Why is this an issue in a Cortez thread anyways? New and old shouldn't be mutually exclusive. ME3 had so much planned for minor cameos, but were restrained by time and too many cameos came out half-assed, like Aethyta's for instance.

Why shouldn't I be allowed to get attached to minor intruiging characters, and not exactly be intrugied by another human male shuttle pilot who happens to be a homosexual (I have nothing against homosexuality), he's a well written character, but is it wrong that I find Parasini, Shiala, etc... to be more interesting?

[krukow]

You know, I'm (apparently) a total homophobe, so I didn't interact much with him my first playthrough, but I did on my second and he's a pretty cool character. The widower issue is kinda weird (his husband died a while ago and Earth just got massacred right now. You think that would be on his mind, but I have not been married, so what do I know). And his line (when you're not interested) about not wanting to compete made me laugh.

Plus I love how Shepard gets the "not gays" if you're not interested in him.
Cortez: there's eye candy here.
Shepard: I'll be looking at the ladies. (probably while pantomiming just how into ladies he is. Cuz he's not gay).

For a game that's trying to be enlightened, that was just awesomely homophobic dialogue...

[thesnake777]

Blacklash93 wrote...

The way people cling to these fringe, situational characters amuses me to no end.

ME1 Shiala - "Shiala gave and explained to us the cipher and said she wanted to help the colonists recover... So deep and interesting!"

ME2 Shiala - "She flirted with me and served the purpose of telling me the consquences of my actions on Feros... LI plz!"

"Rupert made a joke about cleaning the toilets AND making food. So funny I want him back!

"Reegar is voiced by a celebrity and only has two short conversations. OMG squadmate/LI plz!"

"Lorik is a sassy Turian with a dry sense of humor. So unique MUST MAKE SUPPORT SIGS!"

Reegar was a badass man...same level as Kirharee...(Cant remember how to spell his name)
Rupert was one of those funny characters like Ken and gabby, Honestly becuase he survied I figured he would join back up on the normandy...
I like Emily Wong alot.. I figured we would see her again there was also a perfect role for her in ME3..


As for Steve..I thought he was fine. I was happy that he had some good writing and he was flesh out a bit. I did get annoyed when I needed extractions.... 

[thesnake777]

krukow wrote...

You know, I'm (apparently) a total homophobe, so I didn't interact much with him my first playthrough, but I did on my second and he's a pretty cool character. The widower issue is kinda weird (his husband died a while ago and Earth just got massacred right now. You think that would be on his mind, but I have not been married, so what do I know). And his line (when you're not interested) about not wanting to compete made me laugh.

Plus I love how Shepard gets the "not gays" if you're not interested in him.
Cortez: there's eye candy here.
Shepard: I'll be looking at the ladies. (probably while pantomiming just how into ladies he is. Cuz he's not gay).

For a game that's trying to be enlightened, that was just awesomely homophobic dialogue...

Hes fine. I was actually happy that he doesnt get pissy if you make it clear that your straight...unlike anders in DA2.......

[xOnYourRadar]

krukow wrote...

You know, I'm (apparently) a total homophobe, so I didn't interact much with him my first playthrough, but I did on my second and he's a pretty cool character. The widower issue is kinda weird (his husband died a while ago and Earth just got massacred right now. You think that would be on his mind, but I have not been married, so what do I know). And his line (when you're not interested) about not wanting to compete made me laugh.

Plus I love how Shepard gets the "not gays" if you're not interested in him.
Cortez: there's eye candy here.
Shepard: I'll be looking at the ladies. (probably while pantomiming just how into ladies he is. Cuz he's not gay).

For a game that's trying to be enlightened, that was just awesomely homophobic dialogue...

I completely understand what you're saying in regards to Shepard's "not interested" responses and how they can come off so douchey, but I still don't think people as a whole understand the issue of his husband. He lost his husband to the collectors 6 months ago. 6 months, I don't think, is a long time at all, especially when you lose someone who is so important to you whom u loved dearly in such a scarring way. Not to mention I think he suffers from survivor's guilt. And who's to say he wasn't worrying about earth. The possible loss of earth and the loss of a loved one are two separate things.

Modifié par xOnYourRadar, 23 juin 2012 - 12:13 .

[krukow]

thesnake777 wrote...

krukow wrote...

You know, I'm (apparently) a total homophobe, so I didn't interact much with him my first playthrough, but I did on my second and he's a pretty cool character. The widower issue is kinda weird (his husband died a while ago and Earth just got massacred right now. You think that would be on his mind, but I have not been married, so what do I know). And his line (when you're not interested) about not wanting to compete made me laugh.

Plus I love how Shepard gets the "not gays" if you're not interested in him.
Cortez: there's eye candy here.
Shepard: I'll be looking at the ladies. (probably while pantomiming just how into ladies he is. Cuz he's not gay).

For a game that's trying to be enlightened, that was just awesomely homophobic dialogue...

Hes fine. I was actually happy that he doesnt get pissy if you make it clear that your straight...unlike anders in DA2.......

Cortez's dialogue was fine.  He seemed like a total bro.  When I say his line made me laugh, I mean laugh with, not at.  I just thought Shepard's lines were a bit... off.

[vixvicco]

I'm a girl so I never got a chance to date him. He barely talked to me as Femshep anyway. Like most LI, they don't have much to say if you aren't going to actually date them.

[Hvlukas]

xOnYourRadar wrote...
[...] but I still don't think people as a whole understand the issue of his husband. He lost his husband to the collectors 6 months ago. 6 months, I don't think, is a long time at all, especially when you lose someone who is so important to you whom u loved dearly in such a scarring way. Not to mention I think he suffers from survivor's guilt. And who's to say he wasn't worrying about earth. The possible loss of earth and the loss of a loved one are two separate things.

Plus, if I may gate crash the conversation, is it not worth noting, that Cortez lost his husband, and now at the end of the world, he might ask himself: "What's the point of fighting? I've already lost". How does one fight for the future, if the future died  six months ago, and all that's left is a voice recording?

[Hvlukas]

krukow wrote...
[...] 
Plus I love how Shepard gets the "not gays" if you're not interested in him.
Cortez: there's eye candy here.
Shepard: I'll be looking at the ladies. (probably while pantomiming just how into ladies he is. Cuz he's not gay).

For a game that's trying to be enlightened, that was just awesomely homophobic dialogue...

Yeah. Shepard could probably have said: "Good luck with that Steve, I ain't gonna -block you".

Modifié par Hvlukas, 24 juin 2012 - 05:35 .

[Russalka]

I think the casual and natural way in which him having had and lost a husband was presented outweighs the annoyance of the Carth syndrome.

[BigBad]

Cortez always felt to me like a minor side character who was being inexplicably given more face time than he was worth. I mean, I liked the guy, sure, but he's a shuttle pilot. ME1 was full of these sorts of characters: Joker, Chakwas, Pressly, Adams. Interesting background characters who get occasional moments of badass, but otherwise just there to fill up the ship and provide some exposition (Yes, Joker and arguably Chakwas became more important to the plot in later games, but originally, they were about as deep as Pressly or Jenkins). Having your shuttle pilot (introduced only in the last installment of a trilogy) get a full spotlight, character arc, and romance path on par with a ME2 squadmate is . . jarring.

Steve is cool, and it was good to see a gay dude character get some face time, but there were a lot of times where I felt that the only reason I was supposed to pay attention to him was because he was a cool dude who was also gay and nobody can say there are no gay dudes in ME anymore.