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[agu123]

Barquiel wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

And honestly, I don't think she's that well written at all.

That's because... it's true.

Bah, we must unite against Allers.

And many people think she is one of the best written characters.


To the people who think she is Bioware's (or Mac Walters) pet...

Q: Do you, as a writer or a player, feel close to any of the characters?
Mac Walters: Having written Garrus in the first game, that’s a character I’ve always followed. I wrote him as well in the second game, but then handed him off in Mass Effect 3. It’s been fun to play through it as not the writer, and see where Garrus’ story went. Sometimes I have to pull the lead writer role and say, “That would never happen.”

Q.It’s good to be the king.
Mac Walters: Aria and the Illusive Man are two of my other favorite characters. I love them because of their moral ambiguity. Both of them have very clear goals, but you never know quite how to take them. They’re not obviously good or obviously bad.

http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/

I honestly didn't like her behaviour in Redemption.

The rest was okay.

[Mcfly616]

mauro2222 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Because she's one of best squadmates to take into battle....in the ENTIRE series

Miranda is far better as squadmate.

That is simply your opinion. Which you are welcome to.....ofcourse I disagree, and respond by saying:

Jack is waaay better as a squadmate than Miranda

[Little Princess Peach]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

I dont hate Liara but I find her annoying in ME1 she never really got the hint that my shepard was not into her until I had to spell it out for her >.>
Shes clingy over emotional and her fondness of shepard regardess if he she has another Li is creepy

Really? That's odd....I just finished yet another playthrough of ME1....and all you have to do is tell her once.....stop making stuff up.....sorry.....facts is facts

You have to see the way she is around shepard through out the games, in ME2 she seems clingy to me in me1 overemotional in me3 she is slightly jealous

[mauro2222]

Barquiel wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

4stringwizard wrote...

And honestly, I don't think she's that well written at all.

That's because... it's true.

Bah, we must unite against Allers.

And many people think she is one of the best written characters.

Opinions

The transformation from shy and socially akward archaeologist to cold blooded Shadow Broker was bad, really bad... she is given a lots of roles in the series, and then they don't use them, like the Shadow Broker... if that wasn't enough she changes from "can't hold a gun" to "I kill every merc". And besides, why her to search on Mars? she only has 50 years of experience in the field, her kind lives up to 900.

Modifié par mauro2222, 21 juin 2012 - 06:12 .

[Hvlukas]

Someone has to say it and be all arrogant and stuff: Liara kinda forces herself on gay players. I did not have a fabulous space trip around Steve and Kaidan to have Liara as my clinging  hag, constanlty lingering about pretending to be the overlooked wife with her distant husband in a miserable marriage. And if I, the S/S romancer, clearly can see that Liara is kinda in my face all the time, I can understand why others would feel the same.

Yep.

Thought I'd just put it in here. Liara is a hag. Apparently. It brings a whole new perspective to this thread.


And yes. That was a joke.

Modifié par Hvlukas, 21 juin 2012 - 06:13 .

[Terrorize69]

Mcfly616 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Because she's one of best squadmates to take into battle....in the ENTIRE series

Miranda is far better as squadmate.

That is simply your opinion. Which you are welcome to.....ofcourse I disagree, and respond by saying:

Jack is waaay better as a squadmate than Miranda

In terms of dealing with protecting. Miranda was way better, Armor, Barriers, Shields. Easy pickings for Miri.

[tonnactus]

mauro2222 wrote...

...she wans't a squadmate in ME3... and Kaidan is not the same, by far.

Both are sentinels that could strip barriers/shields and armor--> Protections dont play any role in Mass Effect 3 anymore,so both are worser then other squadmates. And warp isnt the only detonator for biotic explosions anymoore.

So how excatly would she be a better squadmate then liara or even vega?(at least have grenades and inferno ammo)

She wouldnt be even the only one with squad bonuses...

Modifié par tonnactus, 21 juin 2012 - 06:15 .

[Barquiel]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

I dont hate Liara but I find her annoying in ME1 she never really got the hint that my shepard was not into her until I had to spell it out for her >.>
Shes clingy over emotional and her fondness of shepard regardess if he she has another Li is creepy

Really? That's odd....I just finished yet another playthrough of ME1....and all you have to do is tell her once.....stop making stuff up.....sorry.....facts is facts

You have to see the way she is around shepard through out the games, in ME2 she seems clingy to me in me1 overemotional in me3 she is slightly jealous

How is she clingy in ME2?

Shep: "Come with me Liara"

Liara: "The universe doesn't work that way Shepard. I can't drop everything for you. I have debts that need repaying"

[mauro2222]

Terrorize69 wrote...

In terms of dealing with protecting. Miranda was way better, Armor, Barriers, Shields. Easy pickings for Miri.

Is the only use for squadmates haha, well Legion actually kills people, Grunt is just cannon fodder.

[mauro2222]

tonnactus wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

...she wans't a squadmate in ME3... and Kaidan is not the same, by far.

Both are sentinels that could strip barriers/shields and armor--> Protections dont play any role in Mass Effect 3 anymore,so both are worser then other squadmates. And warp isnt the only detonator for biotic explosions anymoore.

So how excatly would she be a better squadmate then liara or even vega?(at least have grenades and inferno ammo)

She wouldnt be even the only one with squad bonuses...

Dude, she's not a squadmate in ME3... what are you talking about? the person I quoted said, Liara was the best squadmate in the series, which is not correct. In ME1 it was Wrex, in ME2 Miranda, and in ME3 it's debatable, because Javik is also very good.

[Terrorize69]

Oh and.. Kasumi was the best party member in ME2

/thread lol

[lillitheris]

Skullheart wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Appears in your flashback even if you didn't romance her

Bad bug, yeah. I’ve been meaning to test the hush-hush that you can get it to work right with the appropriate vid files in appropriate locations (that is, not overriding Liara)… this’ll fortunately be fixed in the EC so that this ‘argument’ can be retired.

They confirmed it was a bug?

They confirmed it will be fixed in the EC?

If it was a bug, there should exist video filesfor every LI. Those videos don't exist. I mean how hard is to create a code that verifies a flag and plays the correct video?

No, one explanation is exactly that the video files are missing from the distribution. When it can’t find the correct video file, it selects the Liara vid as the default so that there isn’t just a black screen…

It’s possible, although the code would be a little weird (DailyWTF weird) if that were the case. A slightly more reasonable alternative may be that the bundled assets are actually defined in the code and because some idiot messed up the LI include, the alternative files aren’t referenced and therefore the build system doesn’t include the vids in the distribution.

I’m inclined to believe it’s a bug, because it’d be stupendously bad to have done that consciously even by ME3 standards.

As in, there is no possible upside for them to intentionally ****** off people like that — whether or not Liara is their favorite, this’d be active malfeasance.

Modifié par lillitheris, 21 juin 2012 - 06:22 .

[Mcfly616]

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

I dont hate Liara but I find her annoying in ME1 she never really got the hint that my shepard was not into her until I had to spell it out for her >.>
Shes clingy over emotional and her fondness of shepard regardess if he she has another Li is creepy

Really? That's odd....I just finished yet another playthrough of ME1....and all you have to do is tell her once.....stop making stuff up.....sorry.....facts is facts

You have to see the way she is around shepard through out the games, in ME2 she seems clingy to me in me1 overemotional in me3 she is slightly jealous

ME2 Liara=clingy?!!! You're kidding right?! She makes a cameo....and after being dead for two years, she asks me to go hack terminals....if anything that's pretty "stand-offish".....the exact opposote of clingy....

In ME1 she is overemotional.....she's still coming into.her own.....think of a college freshman....

In ME3 she is a little jealous, giving me looks on Mars before i speak to Ash....or trying to pull my attention away from Ashley's lifeless body.....or the way she leaves as Traynor comes into my cabin....yeah definitely a hint of jealousy....and I LIKE it.....let's me know I got her where i want her....and I thought it was well written....her "gift" could've been waaay better written though

[Barquiel]

mauro2222 wrote...

Opinions

The transformation from shy and socially akward archaeologist to cold blooded Shadow Broker was bad, really bad... she is given a lots of roles in the series, and then they don't use them, like the Shadow Broker... if that wasn't enough she changes from "can't hold a gun" to "I kill every merc". And besides, why her to search on Mars? she only has 50 years of experience in the field, her kind lives up to 900.

Liara traveled galaxy alone for 50 years and she has been killing and fighting mercs, pirates and raiders long before most of our other squadmates were even born. She helped Shepard to kill Benezia...her mother. I don't see the problem when she kills 5 shadow broker agents on Illium (...who were anything but innocent).

She's on Mars because Hackett obviously trusts her.

Modifié par Barquiel, 21 juin 2012 - 06:23 .

[Mcfly616]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Because she's one of best squadmates to take into battle....in the ENTIRE series

Miranda is far better as squadmate.

That is simply your opinion. Which you are welcome to.....ofcourse I disagree, and respond by saying:

Jack is waaay better as a squadmate than Miranda

In terms of dealing with protecting. Miranda was way better, Armor, Barriers, Shields. Easy pickings for Miri.

Ha....who needs protecting?.....I have my blue babe throwing Singularity and Stasis fields left and right, its like shooting fish in a barrel.....

[Terrorize69]

Mcfly616 wrote...

In ME3 she is a little jealous, giving me looks on Mars before i speak to Ash....or trying to pull my attention away from Ashley's lifeless body.....or the way she leaves as Traynor comes into my cabin....yeah definitely a hint of jealousy....and I LIKE it.....let's me know I got her where i want her....and I thought it was well written....her "gift" could've been waaay better written though

Everyone gets that, not just those who's LI was/has been Liara in the past. So not everyone likes that jealousy, espically if we are romancing someone else. Hence the "Shes always in our face" comments etc.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

lillitheris wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Can't die

False, or if you’re counting ME and ME2, too, see below.

Dying in the very end of the game, past when you no longer have any more squadmate interaction, and only in the ending where everybody dies, does not really count.

Can't be spoken to rudely or disliked by Shepard

Yes, she can.

In ME1, somewhat. Certainly not in ME3.

Appears in your flashback even if you didn't romance her

Bad bug, yeah. I’ve been meaning to test the hush-hush that you can get it to work right with the appropriate vid files in appropriate locations (that is, not overriding Liara)… this’ll fortunately be fixed in the EC so that this ‘argument’ can be retired.

It's not a bug; there actually aren't video files for anyone else.

Gets lots of missions where she's forced to accompany you

You’re a Pratchett conoisseur, I see… one, two, many, lots — and you even selected quite the appropriate species… Although I think it’s 3, not 4. Someone do a count?

Mars, Palaven's moon, Eden Prime, Thessia. That's 4. 3.5, if you want to be picky. Still more than anyone else.

Keeps coming into your room without being asked

Can someone enumerate the cases where she’s in your room uninvited?

– NOT after the nightmare: in the corridor, not your room.
– NOT after the other one: you invite into the cabin while you clean up in the bathroom.
– NOT for the time capsule: you invite her.

So those don’t count…which other times?

In your room, in the corridor, big difference. The point is that she gets more non-player-initiated conversations than everyone else.

Again, I like Liara well enough, but there's no point denying that she gets the most favouritism.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 21 juin 2012 - 06:27 .

[mauro2222]

Barquiel wrote...

Liara traveled galaxy alone for 50 years and she has been killing and fighting mercs, pirates and raiders long before most of our other squadmates were even born. She helped Shepard to kill Benezia...her mother. I don't see the problem when she kills 5 shadow broker agents on Illium (...who were anything but innocent).

She's on Mars because Hackett obviously trusts her.

Hahah what?

[Terrorize69]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Because she's one of best squadmates to take into battle....in the ENTIRE series

Miranda is far better as squadmate.

That is simply your opinion. Which you are welcome to.....ofcourse I disagree, and respond by saying:

Jack is waaay better as a squadmate than Miranda

In terms of dealing with protecting. Miranda was way better, Armor, Barriers, Shields. Easy pickings for Miri.

Ha....who needs protecting?.....I have my blue babe throwing Singularity and Stasis fields left and right, its like shooting fish in a barrel.....

Ok i'll rephrase that.

In terms of dealing with protection in Hardcore/Insanity.

[Barquiel]

mauro2222 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara traveled galaxy alone for 50 years and she has been killing and fighting mercs, pirates and raiders long before most of our other squadmates were even born. She helped Shepard to kill Benezia...her mother. I don't see the problem when she kills 5 shadow broker agents on Illium (...who were anything but innocent).

She's on Mars because Hackett obviously trusts her.

Hahah what?

?

Back in ME1 she says that she's had her share of run-ins with mercenaries, looters, etc.

[tonnactus]

mauro2222 wrote...
 In ME1 it was Wrex

The most durable,but not the best. Couldnt keep multiple krogans a bay. Could do anything against geth colossi,could only throw geth armatures.
Top spots: Kaidan and Liara,Tali was great against geth.

in ME2 Miranda

One allrounder,but far away from beeing the "best" thanks to shared cooldowns. Mordin was better against armor and crowd control. Garrus was better against shields. Samara was better for removing barriers(Area reave)

and in ME3 it's debatable, because Javik is also very good.

Javik hasnt anything to control shielded enemies like Liara have with stasis. And pull only affect 2 enemies at best,so its clear who is the best biotic.

And most abilities where copied from Mass Effect 2 anyway, so everyone could assume what powers Miranda would have.

Modifié par tonnactus, 21 juin 2012 - 06:33 .

[mauro2222]

Barquiel wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara traveled galaxy alone for 50 years and she has been killing and fighting mercs, pirates and raiders long before most of our other squadmates were even born. She helped Shepard to kill Benezia...her mother. I don't see the problem when she kills 5 shadow broker agents on Illium (...who were anything but innocent).

She's on Mars because Hackett obviously trusts her.

Hahah what?

?

Back in ME1 she says that she's had her share of run-ins with mercenaries, looters, etc.

And that's translated into 50 years of killing?

[Mcfly616]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

In ME3 she is a little jealous, giving me looks on Mars before i speak to Ash....or trying to pull my attention away from Ashley's lifeless body.....or the way she leaves as Traynor comes into my cabin....yeah definitely a hint of jealousy....and I LIKE it.....let's me know I got her where i want her....and I thought it was well written....her "gift" could've been waaay better written though

Everyone gets that, not just those who's LI was/has been Liara in the past. So not everyone likes that jealousy, espically if we are romancing someone else. Hence the "Shes always in our face" comments etc.

Odd....no....not everybody gets that....atleast her literally hovering over Ashley's body trying to.take his attention off of her....

Seen it first at my friends house....he romances and stays loyal to Ashley throughout the trilogy.....and as a result, Liara never dips her head down.in between Ashley and Shepard.....she just says we need to go to the Citadel

[mauro2222]

I don't know in which difficulty you played each game, but on Insanity, Wrex is best, he has inmunity, warp, throw, stasis, barrier, carnage, overkill... and he's a krogan, if anybody comes closer he just rams them. Same with Miranda, everyone has an extra layer of "health", biotics are **** in that game (except warp and reave), you take out their defenses and you need 3 shots. And Javik has Dark Channel... use that and a lift grenade, nice bunch of biotic explosions.

It's clear that you are arguing different things. You say that Wrex can't do anything against a Colossi... and Liara can't either, what's your point? And I never said that Javik was the best biotic. If anything the most powerful biotic are Samara and Jack. Javik is a soldier who's also a biotic.

Modifié par mauro2222, 21 juin 2012 - 06:43 .

[Mcfly616]

Mr. Big Pimpin.....

You can be mean to Liara all you want in ME3.....I've been.doing it the whole time on my current playthrough.....sorry, you can't tell her to "f*** off" though....but you can definitely be a d*ck....