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[tonnactus]

mauro2222 wrote...

 In ME3 we have only Liara, regardless of your imaginary scenario of Miranda having the same powers,

Garrus-> Mass Effect 2: Concussive shot,overload,Ap Ammo

Garrus Mass Effect 3: Concussive shot,overload,ap ammo, proxi mine.

Big change of course.

[mauro2222]

tonnactus wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

 In ME3 we have only Liara, regardless of your imaginary scenario of Miranda having the same powers,

Garrus-> Mass Effect 2: Concussive shot,overload,Ap Ammo

Garrus Mass Effect 3: Concussive shot,overload,ap ammo, proxi mine.

Big change of course.

What a stubborn dude. Did I say big change?... Jesus!

[tonnactus]

mauro2222 wrote...

You mean the effect? is not even necessary. You get down of the Mako with Kaidan and Garrus and you can beat the colossus without losing anyone. Lifting that thing doesn't mean that she's better than Wrex, sorry.

Thats excactly what it means,because Wrex couldnt prevent the thing from shooting back. Wrex couldnt keep multiple krogans and rachni in the air making them harmless.Its a non contest.

[Lord Stark]

Also, Liara not being able to die makes sense considering she's the only non-combatant in the damned crew. By all technical accounts she is a civilian.
Ashley/Kaidan-Soldier
Garrus-General
Tali-Admiral
James-Soldier
EDI-She's a military ship
Javik-The Avatar of the military basically

[mauro2222]

tonnactus wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

You mean the effect? is not even necessary. You get down of the Mako with Kaidan and Garrus and you can beat the colossus without losing anyone. Lifting that thing doesn't mean that she's better than Wrex, sorry.

Thats excactly what it means,because Wrex couldnt prevent the thing from shooting back. Wrex couldnt keep multiple krogans and rachni in the air making them harmless.Its a non contest.

He doesn't need to. He can resist them and kill them at the same time, he also can throw them to the next room all together or simply put them in stasis. Liara has the same health as Tali, one acid shot and they are down.

Modifié par mauro2222, 21 juin 2012 - 07:15 .

[Ageless Face]

Councilor Oraka wrote...

Also, Liara not being able to die makes sense considering she's the only non-combatant in the damned crew. By all technical accounts she is a civilian.
Ashley/Kaidan-Soldier
Garrus-General
Tali-Admiral
James-Soldier
EDI-She's a military ship
Javik-The Avatar of the military basically

What does that have to do with anything? Liara is still fighting in a war.

BTW by that logic Jack should also not be able to die. And pretty much everyone in Shepard's ME2 crew. And Cortez.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 21 juin 2012 - 07:19 .

[tonnactus]

mauro2222 wrote...

He doesn't need to. He can resist them and kill them at the same time, he also can throw them

At best two of them and he cant prevent all of them reaching me.

[mauro2222]

tonnactus wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

He doesn't need to. He can resist them and kill them at the same time, he also can throw them

At best two of them and he cant prevent all of them reaching me.

If you are in the middle of the battlefield I doubt it. Neither can Liara, nobody is able to do that. They are there to help you, not to do your job.
And no, throw affects a wide area just like lift and singularity.

Modifié par mauro2222, 21 juin 2012 - 07:21 .

[ENorman94]

If we're on the subject of combat, Liara is really nothing special. Singularity sucks in ME3. Warp isn't special anymore as it isn't the only thing that triggers biotic explosions and it isn't the best power for armor. And she uses pistols and smg's which again are nothing special in ME3. Stasis is the only thing she has useful.

Just what I've noticed when I play.

[Lord Stark]

HagarIshay wrote...

Councilor Oraka wrote...

Also, Liara not being able to die makes sense considering she's the only non-combatant in the damned crew. By all technical accounts she is a civilian.
Ashley/Kaidan-Soldier
Garrus-General
Tali-Admiral
James-Soldier
EDI-She's a military ship
Javik-The Avatar of the military basically

What does that have to do with anything? Liara is still fighting in a war.

BTW by that logic Jack should also not be able to die. And pretty much everyone in Shepard's ME2 crew. And Cortez.

Shepard's crew ME2 is a part of splinter military organization.  Jack is a pirate, terrorist, murderer who hardly counts as a non-combatant.  Liara is an Archeologist and an Information broker.  The two are hardly combarable.
Doctor Chakwas cannot die either, is she given unfair treatment as well?
Grunt is a member of the Krogan Military
Legion is the avatar of the Geth concensus who are all militant
Samara is a Justicar
Zaeed is a bounty hunter
Miranda is the second in command of a military splinter group
Jacob is an officer in the same group
Wrex is a bounty hunter
Thane is an assassin
Kasumi is the only one you could argue, but she got the shaft greater than Tali, Garrus, or anyone else from the Mass Effect 2 crew. 

[tonnactus]

ENorman94 wrote...

If we're on the subject of combat, Liara is really nothing special. Singularity sucks in ME3.

Considering that most enemies in this game are unprotected i dont know how anyone could claime that.And it even works on shielded enemies with the damage evolution.

Modifié par tonnactus, 21 juin 2012 - 07:42 .

[Terrorize69]

Poor Kasumi Everyone always forgets her, even although she is so epic lol, but then again, that's why she's the best thief, cause everyone forgets.

[Ageless Face]

Councilor Oraka wrote...

Shepard's crew ME2 is a part of splinter military organization.  Jack is a pirate, terrorist, murderer who hardly counts as a non-combatant.  Liara is an Archeologist and an Information broker.  The two are hardly combarable.
Doctor Chakwas cannot die either, is she given unfair treatment as well?
Grunt is a member of the Krogan Military
Legion is the avatar of the Geth concensus who are all militant
Samara is a Justicar
Zaeed is a bounty hunter
Miranda is the second in command of a military splinter group
Jacob is an officer in the same group
Wrex is a bounty hunter
Thane is an assassin
Kasumi is the only one you could argue, but she got the shaft greater than Tali, Garrus, or anyone else from the Mass Effect 2 crew. 

Chakwas can die, first of all.

Jack is may be a murderer, but she IS a civillian. Sort of. She's not fighting officially for anyone. If she would ask for help, someone would help her. And you can also say the same for Morinth, BTW. And Kasumi, like you said. And Liara is, as I said, fighting a war. Everyone can die there. Doesn't matter if she's a civillian. Simple of people on the streets can be killed in ME. Civillians who accompany commander Shepard...

There's no reason why Liara can't die. Her not being part of a military organization or something like that says nothing.
Maybe only that she's fragile than most. With that in mind, She should have the option of dying MORE, not LESS.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 21 juin 2012 - 07:41 .

[lillitheris]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Poor Kasumi Everyone always forgets her, even although she is so epic lol, but then again, that's why she's the best thief, cause everyone forgets.

Indeed — she’s not the most famous thief, she’s the best!  Although I’m biased, I feature her quite a bit in my fic.

[Terrorize69]

lillitheris wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Poor Kasumi Everyone always forgets her, even although she is so epic lol, but then again, that's why she's the best thief, cause everyone forgets.

Indeed — she’s not the most famous thief, she’s the best!  Although I’m biased, I feature her quite a bit in my fic.

Theres only one reason she didn't join the squad in ME3, she's too epic for Shepard. She shadows him in her epicness, being able to one shot Harbinger.

[Mcfly616]

tonnactus wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

 In ME3 we have only Liara, regardless of your imaginary scenario of Miranda having the same powers,

Garrus-> Mass Effect 2: Concussive shot,overload,Ap Ammo

Garrus Mass Effect 3: Concussive shot,overload,ap ammo, proxi mine.

Big change of course.

People must just like Garrus for his character.....I mean yeah, he's badass on the battlefield.....but only in ME2 and ME3.....

Garrus blows big time in ME1.....he's a straight up bum who dies over and over and over again in combat....in fact, I used him less than any other squadmate in ME1.....

But atleast they got that all straightened out after the first game.....after all, his character was awesome

[Dendio1]

I love Liara. Made her my love interest and enjoyed every scene from the DLC kiss to the Time capsule and seeing her as I sacrificed myself to the endings. Also cute freckles.

[ENorman94]

tonnactus wrote...

ENorman94 wrote...

If we're on the subject of combat, Liara is really nothing special. Singularity sucks in ME3.

Considering that most enemies in this game are unprotected i dont know how anyone could claime that.And it even works on shielded enemies with the damage evolution.

I just find a fully evolved pull more useful than a fully evolved singularity. I rarely see more than 2 enemies bunched together enough for her singularity to take effect.

like I said it's just me.

Modifié par ENorman94, 21 juin 2012 - 07:53 .

[Mcfly616]

tonnactus wrote...

ENorman94 wrote...

If we're on the subject of combat, Liara is really nothing special. Singularity sucks in ME3.

Considering that most enemies in this game are unprotected i dont know how anyone could claime that.And it even works on shielded enemies with the damage evolution.

Yeah....idk what game he's playing....the only power i need to use is singularity, and then i clean house......and if singularity doesn't cut it for whatever reason.....BOOM Stasis Bubble.....they aint going anywhere (besides Banshees, Brutes and Primes)


How you really know people are just mindlessly hating: Saying Liara isn't one of the best combatants....especially in a support role...

[ENorman94]

Mcfly616 wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

ENorman94 wrote...

If we're on the subject of combat, Liara is really nothing special. Singularity sucks in ME3.

Considering that most enemies in this game are unprotected i dont know how anyone could claime that.And it even works on shielded enemies with the damage evolution.

Yeah....idk what game he's playing....the only power i need to use is singularity, and then i clean house......and if singularity doesn't cut it for whatever reason.....BOOM Stasis Bubble.....they aint going anywhere (besides Banshees, Brutes and Primes)


How you really know people are just mindlessly hating: Saying Liara isn't one of the best combatants....especially in a support role...

Im playing Mass Effect 3and she's obviously not if so many people think she's useless. Squadmates excell or suck  according to different playstyles and classes.You think she's good, I don't.

[Celtic Latino]

While I don't explicitly HATE Liara, I do think she is BioWare's pet. She follows BioWare's trope of the 'important leading lady' (Isabela for Dragon Age 2, Morrigan/Leliana for Dragon Age, Jaheira for Baldur's Gate) that gets preferable treatment.

In her favor, yes she recovers Shepard's body and goes out of her way to help him/her. Out of all the ME3 romances I will definitely say hers is the most fleshed out and has the best story arc. Heck even her continued romance in ME2 was better than the available ME2 romances themselves. As a character concept she is really cool. But that doesn't change the fact that the writers seemed to go out of their way to force her on the player.

In ME1 you can ignore her, threaten to drop her into a volcano and even make derogatory comments about Asari to her face if you so choose. You can even ignore her.

In ME2 she hugs you...no matter what.
In ME2 she gets her own DLC. Heck even if you bring your ME2 LI (if you have one) on the Shadow Broker DLC mission, Shepard dodges to save Liara and not even the person he or she was possibly closer to (I WTF every time I see that).
In ME3 Shepard 'cares about Thessia' all of a sudden. (Of course that's more to do with the autodialogue and some of the messy writing...but it was Liara's 'mission' so to say).
Even if Shepard was just a friend or, like my canon Shep, constantly played distant and told her to buzz off, if she 'shared a memory' with you she always leans on you as if she's your LI.

It doesn't help that even the more popular characters such as Garrus and Tali can die on the suicide mission in ME2 and are optional in ME3. Heck even the VS can be shot. But Liara can only die in a worst case scenario option. I know that's probably because she will play a role in the sequel if there is one (her time capsule and being a member of a thousand year old race contributes to that), but she has gotten a lot of favoritism.

But she isn't the only one who got that treatment. Leliana gets her own DLC and plays an important role even if you killed her during the Sacred Ashes or didn't recruit her (plus being a bisexual romance...I wonder if Liara and Leliana influenced one another as character concepts). Morrigan also gets her own DLC and despite what you do or don't do to her she will probably be retconned. And even if Jaheira dies in Baldur's Gate 1 or you don't recruit her she's a 'loyal companion' in BG2 (Imoen also fits this bill but for storyline purposes). And of course, there's a reason Isabela could be betrayed but not killed...(Dragon Age 3?)

Of course I'm going on a tangent here, but you get the idea. I have no problem with certain characters being more important than others. Even those getting a better story arc because they play a larger role is okay with me. But it should be up to the player where his or her character stands as far as a relationship or even friendship/rivalry is concerned...and if there's such an option it should be consistent. Or don't give that option at all. (Of course it would be nice to see a DLC and a larger role be given to leading male characters too, they always seem to be female for some reason. Seeing a start with the James Vega/Alistair & Varric comic...but that's a thread for another topic ;-)).

Modifié par Celtic Latino, 21 juin 2012 - 08:01 .

[Mcfly616]

ENorman94....

Well I guess Bioware thinks she is....which trumps whatever anybody else has to say....

As stated in the Official Strategy Guide:

"Liara is a surprisingly versatile squad member. Her ability to wield disruptive and destructive powers make her one of the BEST people to keep in your squad across nearly EVERY MISSION. She is also one of the few squad members who doesn't Excel against one type of foe--synthetic and organic foes are susceptible to her abilities"


Facts is facts.....

Modifié par Mcfly616, 21 juin 2012 - 08:08 .

[Terrorize69]

Hmm you know maybe the reason Liara can't die is.. she's a Reaper Doomsday Device working for the catalyst since ME1

O__O

[Mcfly616]

Also from the strategy guide:

"...when upgraded fully, Singularity is a benefit to EVERY SQUAD. It is one of the few powers that can serve as a source power, inflict damage, and disrupt enemies in battle."