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[rubynorman]

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You guys are still fighting? Think about it this way, Tali and Garrus are squad members in ME2 and you can't change that, they can only die at the end of ME2. Liara isn't a squad member in ME2. She got an DLC but we must pay for it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Liara returns as a squad member in ME3 and she can die at the end of the game. Tali and Garrus could also be a squad member in ME3. Seems pretty fair to me.

[-N7-Seeker]

Arlionis wrote...

-N7-Seeker wrote...

To add more facts to Terror's statement:
Liara is always there in ME3. How often she comes up to you? Too many times. *Oh I just came up to tell you that Hackett is calling* I think that EDI is more than perfect to tell it to me. She is forced into the game admit it. You can have different opinions, but don't lie. Neither to us, or yourself.

"There is your opinion and then there's the truth..."

She was left out ME2 original story precisely to serve as a familiar face in ME3, which is a common storytelling device in multi-volume stories. 

You just wrote down, that I am rigth. She is forced into the game.
P.S: Shame that Cerberus didn't kill her on Mars.

rubynorman wrote...

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You guys are
still fighting? Think about it this way, Tali and Garrus are squad
members in ME2 and you can't change that, they can only die at the end
of ME2. Liara isn't a squad member in ME2. She got an DLC but we must
pay for it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Liara returns as a squad
member in ME3 and she can die at the end of the game. Tali and Garrus
could also be a squad member in ME3. Seems pretty fair to me.

How much dialouge you get with Tali? Near to nothing. You only speak to her on Rannoch, the Drunk state and after Thessia. And the last two are pre-made conversations, you can't choose your answer. And she NEVER talks to you at the Engineering.

Modifié par -N7-Seeker, 21 juin 2012 - 01:17 .

[Terrorize69]

rubynorman wrote...

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You guys are still fighting? Think about it this way, Tali and Garrus are squad members in ME2 and you can't change that, they can only die at the end of ME2. Liara isn't a squad member in ME2. She got an DLC but we must pay for it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Liara returns as a squad member in ME3 and she can die at the end of the game. Tali and Garrus could also be a squad member in ME3. Seems pretty fair to me.

Sorry to correct you but Tali isn't as far as I remember a compulsory member, you don't have to recruit her in ME2.

Horizon > Any 5 Missions > Collector Ship > IFF > Couple Missions > Collector Base

Can skip Tali/Thane/Samara completely.

[Ageless Face]

xlI ReFLeX lIx wrote...

She's important to the story. What do you want? Sorry but let's face is, Liara is important to Mass Effect. There is no Mass Effect without Liara. She is BioWare's go to squadmate. It's also great because she's my favorite LI and squadmate in the game and she's awesome. 

Sorry, deal with it.

There is Mass Effect without Liara. Liara's job through all three games were to tell Shepard that Ilos is where Saren is heading, and give the information about the crucible. That's it. She has no further role than that. You could have send her to Hackett just like you could have sent Ashley/Kaidan. You could have just shoot her (not that I will do it) and still the game will be the same.

Maybe to you there's no Mass Effect without Liara. But for plenty of other people she can be removed and still the game will be the same game.

[that guy2012]

@N7-Seeker This is what bugs me the most of the talimance in Me3. After Rannoch she barely has any dialogue, hell Garrus flirts with her all though out the game and all I get is a "Hey, Shepard".

Modifié par that guy2012, 21 juin 2012 - 01:24 .

[Arlionis]

-N7-Seeker wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

-N7-Seeker wrote...

To add more facts to Terror's statement:
Liara is always there in ME3. How often she comes up to you? Too many times. *Oh I just came up to tell you that Hackett is calling* I think that EDI is more than perfect to tell it to me. She is forced into the game admit it. You can have different opinions, but don't lie. Neither to us, or yourself.

"There is your opinion and then there's the truth..."

She was left out ME2 original story precisely to serve as a familiar face in ME3, which is a common storytelling device in multi-volume stories. 

You just wrote down, that I am rigth. She is forced into the game.

If that's your definition of "being forced" then every time a character appears on screen that character is "being forced".

P.S: Shame that Cerberus didn't kill her on Mars.

I can't say anything about that, maybe a therapist can help you with that one. 

[Babi_Siha]

The Liara hate is getting old. If anything, I agree that Garrus and Tali are more of Bioware's pets than Liara. The only reason she has plot armor is because she wasn't a squad in ME2, which that itself should be enough proof that she's not everyone's favorite at BioWare.

HagarIshay wrote...

There is Mass Effect without Liara. Liara's job through all three
games were to tell Shepard that Ilos is where Saren is heading, and give
the information about the crucible. That's it.

So Liara only found out it there's a weapon of mass destruction that happens the be the only way to put an end to the Reapers threat? I can see why you don't think she's important, except that if it wasn't for her, the Reapers would win the war no matter what.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 21 juin 2012 - 01:32 .

[Arlionis]

Babi_Siha wrote...

The Liara hate is getting old. If anything, I agree that Garrus and Tali are more of Bioware's pets than Liara. The only reason she has plot armor is because she wasn't a squad in ME2, which that itself should be enough proof that she's not everyone's favorite at BioWare.

Notice how most of the haters are Talimancers. They seriously have a massive inferiority complex regarding Liara. Also notice how they started creating these kind of hate threads again after the poll numbers were released. 

In a way I feel pity for them. 

[Ageless Face]

Babi_Siha wrote...

The Liara hate is getting old. If anything, I agree that Garrus and Tali are more of Bioware's pets than Liara. The only reason she has plot armor is because she wasn't a squad in ME2, which that itself should be enough proof that she's not everyone's favorite at BioWare.

So? Kaidan and Ashley were also not squadmates in ME2. They can die. And she got a DLC. And a comic.

Not many hate Liara. People mostly hate all of the attention to her.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 21 juin 2012 - 01:31 .

[-N7-Seeker]

Arlionis wrote...

-N7-Seeker wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

-N7-Seeker wrote...

To add more facts to Terror's statement:
Liara is always there in ME3. How often she comes up to you? Too many times. *Oh I just came up to tell you that Hackett is calling* I think that EDI is more than perfect to tell it to me. She is forced into the game admit it. You can have different opinions, but don't lie. Neither to us, or yourself.

"There is your opinion and then there's the truth..."

She was left out ME2 original story precisely to serve as a familiar face in ME3, which is a common storytelling device in multi-volume stories. 

You just wrote down, that I am rigth. She is forced into the game.

If that's your definition of "being forced" then every time a character appears on screen that character is "being forced".

P.S: Shame that Cerberus didn't kill her on Mars.

I can't say anything about that, maybe a therapist can help you with that one. 

First: She is forced because she's everywhere. And I Shepard cannot hate her. I cannot tell her to **** off. Or leave my ship. I cannot tell her to never visit me again. I MUST be nice to her.

And for the Therapist part: I wanted to lock her in that vent and watch her screaming as the cerberus troops kill her.

[Terrorize69]

Arlionis wrote...
Notice how most of the haters are Talimancers. They seriously have a massive inferiority complex regarding Liara. Also notice how they started creating these kind of hate threads again after the poll numbers were released. 

In a way I feel pity for them. 

*Looks at OP*

*See's a Liaramancer made the topic*

*Looks again at Arlionis's fail logic*

Epic. Fail. Seriously.

[rubynorman]

My romance with Liara isn't much better. "thanks for coming by" "maybe later" "just friend" "you are a good friend, Shepard" bla bla bla you should be working Liara ... Only the romance scene is awesome because she stops trying to friendzone my Shep . Tali gets an awesome date on Rannoch. I mean take back the land of your lover what could be better? Too bad about the photoshop picture. And Garrus, he meantions the romance every time you talk with him.
I think the ME2 LIs are the poor ones here. Hope BW'll make some DLCs for them

[-N7-Seeker]

rubynorman wrote...

My romance with Liara isn't much better. "thanks for coming by" "maybe later" "just friend" "you are a good friend, Shepard" bla bla bla you should be working Liara ... Only the romance scene is awesome because she stops trying to friendzone my Shep . Tali gets an awesome date on Rannoch. I mean take back the land of your lover what could be better? Too bad about the photoshop picture. And Garrus, he meantions the romance every time you talk with him.
I think the ME2 LIs are the poor ones here. Hope BW'll make some DLCs for them

That's what we want too. And I can tell this in the name of every ME2 Romancers.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Can't die
Can't be spoken to rudely or disliked by Shepard
Gets her own DLC and lots of comics
Appears in your flashback even if you didn't romance her
Gets lots of missions where she's forced to accompany you
Keeps coming into your room without being asked

I've got nothing against Liara, but she's very obviously the writer's pet.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 21 juin 2012 - 01:35 .

[Terrorize69]

HagarIshay wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

The Liara hate is getting old. If anything, I agree that Garrus and Tali are more of Bioware's pets than Liara. The only reason she has plot armor is because she wasn't a squad in ME2, which that itself should be enough proof that she's not everyone's favorite at BioWare.

So? Kaidan and Ashley were also not squadmates in ME2. They can die. And she got a DLC. And a comic.

Not many hate Liara. People mostly hate all of the attention to her.

^This.

It's what Liara fans fail to see. They are baised, ofcourse they are. The more they see of their fave char, the better, they see nothing wrong with it. I can understand that. If the roles were reversed, one of my faves getting all the attention. I wouldnt see it cause I'd like it.

If they take a char they didn't like or weren't fond of, then had them 90% of time hitting on Shepard without being able to avoid it and not being able to kill them off. Then they'd know how non-liara fans would feel and we'd all understand the issue.

Modifié par Terrorize69, 21 juin 2012 - 01:37 .

[Arlionis]

-N7-Seeker wrote...
First: She is forced because she's everywhere. And I Shepard cannot hate her. I cannot tell her to **** off. Or leave my ship. I cannot tell her to never visit me again. I MUST be nice to her.

You seem to want to make this issue a Liara exclusivity when this happens with most characters. Only character who can receive a harsh treatment in ME3 from Shepard is Ash. Also, regarding the "she's everywhere", that's a baseless claim. Garrus has more interactive dialog during the mid game and appears in 6 different cutscenes (not to mention he has a ton more dialog with the crew) while Liara appears in 4 cutscenes during the midgame and Kaidan in 5. 

 
And for the Therapist part: I wanted to lock her in that vent and watch her screaming as the cerberus troops kill her.

So edgy! 

[Nightwriter]

rubynorman wrote...

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You guys are still fighting? Think about it this way, Tali and Garrus are squad members in ME2 and you can't change that, they can only die at the end of ME2. Liara isn't a squad member in ME2. She got an DLC but we must pay for it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Liara returns as a squad member in ME3 and she can die at the end of the game. Tali and Garrus could also be a squad member in ME3. Seems pretty fair to me.

But I wasn't upset that she can't die. I was upset that my friendship with her is given more meaning and more content than my romance with my chosen LI.

I was upset that her romance scene looks like it had more care, time, attention, and resources put into it than all of the ME2 LI content in ME3 put together.

I was upset that the Mass Effect series says, "Choose who you're attracted to and which relationship you'd like to be most meaningful for your character," then ignores my choice and makes another relationship the most meaningful by a landslide, to the extent that my Shepard apparently thinks of Liara as he dies instead of his LI.

This has everything to do with lavishing attention on Liara's character while other love interests wither and die for lack of content, and nothing at all to do with whether or not Liara should be killable. There is nothing wrong with Liara as a character and I feel no desire to kill her off. It's just that when you give Liara great content and give my LI next to none, it creates the unfortunate impression that Liara is being favored at the expense of other characters.

[Babi_Siha]

HagarIshay wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

The Liara hate is getting old. If anything, I agree that Garrus and Tali are more of Bioware's pets than Liara. The only reason she has plot armor is because she wasn't a squad in ME2, which that itself should be enough proof that she's not everyone's favorite at BioWare.

So? Kaidan and Ashley were also not squadmates in ME2. They can die. And she got a DLC. And a comic.

Not many hate Liara. People mostly hate all of the attention to her.

But the Ash/Kaidan were never as popular as Liara and even if they were, both are Alliance's loyal soldiers. Them joining Cerberus would be just completely out of character for them.

She's got a DLC because of fan demand, which is the same reason Garrus and Tali became romance options in the second game. As for the comic, it wasn't all about Liara, it was more about the recovery of Shepard's body and since she briefly mentions in ME2 that she's the one who got his body BW just couldn't change lore and put another character to achieve that (too bad they didn't follow that lore logic and published Deception anyway).

[Arlionis]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...
Notice how most of the haters are Talimancers. They seriously have a massive inferiority complex regarding Liara. Also notice how they started creating these kind of hate threads again after the poll numbers were released. 

In a way I feel pity for them. 

*Looks at OP*

*See's a Liaramancer made the topic*

*Looks again at Arlionis's fail logic*

Epic. Fail. Seriously.

Talimancers turned it into a hate thread.

[-N7-Seeker]

[You forget the part that Garrus can die. That is a lot of "missing content". Liara cannot die.
"(not to mention he has a ton more dialog with the crew)" I don't know who
closed herself into the XO's room and never leaves. Maybe if she puts
her head out, she could talk to the crew.

[/quote]

Talimancers turned it into a hate thread.

[/quote]

I don't know who started insulting us....

Modifié par -N7-Seeker, 21 juin 2012 - 01:42 .

[Joe Del Toro]

See, us Bansheemancers don't have a problem.

[Babi_Siha]

Terrorize69 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

The Liara hate is getting old. If anything, I agree that Garrus and Tali are more of Bioware's pets than Liara. The only reason she has plot armor is because she wasn't a squad in ME2, which that itself should be enough proof that she's not everyone's favorite at BioWare.

So? Kaidan and Ashley were also not squadmates in ME2. They can die. And she got a DLC. And a comic.

Not many hate Liara. People mostly hate all of the attention to her.

^This.

It's what Liara fans fail to see. They are baised, ofcourse they are. The more they see of their fave char, the better, they see nothing wrong with it. I can understand that. If the roles were reversed, one of my faves getting all the attention. I wouldnt see it cause I'd like it.

If they take a char they didn't like or weren't fond of, then had them 90% of time hitting on Shepard without being able to avoid it and not being able to kill them off. Then they'd know how non-liara fans would feel and we'd all understand the issue.

What about all the attention to Garrus and Tali? If you haven't noticed, they have a lot more screentime than Liara thanks to ME2 and I don't hate them for that. I really like Garrus, one of the most badass characters in ME and Tali I don't like her but that has got nothing to do with the fact that she was in all three games.

[Arlionis]

-N7-Seeker wrote...

[You forget the part that Garrus can die. That is a lot of "missing content". Liara cannot die.
"(not to mention he has a ton more dialog with the crew)" I don't know who
closed herself into the XO's room and never leaves. Maybe if she puts
her head out, she could talk to the crew.

And the price was making her not part of the ME2 maingame. 

 
Talimancers turned it into a hate thread.

 
I don't know who started insulting us....

Uh, nobody? 

[Ageless Face]

Babi_Siha wrote...

So Liara only found out it there's a weapon of mass destruction that happens the be the only way to put an end to the Reapers threat? I can see why you don't think she's important, except that if it wasn't for her, the Reapers would win the war no matter what.

And that's why I wrote "You could have send her off to Hackett". She gave you the info about the Crucible. Did you need her for something else afterwards? Not really. You might want to keep her. But she is not important after that.

[Terrorize69]

Arlionis wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

Arlionis wrote...
Notice how most of the haters are Talimancers. They seriously have a massive inferiority complex regarding Liara. Also notice how they started creating these kind of hate threads again after the poll numbers were released. 

In a way I feel pity for them. 

*Looks at OP*

*See's a Liaramancer made the topic*

*Looks again at Arlionis's fail logic*

Epic. Fail. Seriously.

Talimancers turned it into a hate thread.

*Looks back at page 1*

*See's Arlionis bringing Tali hate into the thread before any Talimancers were even here*

I can see your memory is, poor at best. Seeing as you started it, and also forgot that you said the reply before this was the last one to me.

I would drop to your level and hate an entire fanbase, due to a select few... but, Liarafans shouldn't be shamed by tying them to you. You are a disgrace to them.