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[Knottedredloc]

Actually ME needs more Liara. She barely had any dialogue in ME2 compared to the other sqaudmates and anybody who thinks you can't be rude to Liara must have never played ME1.

[-N7-Seeker]

Arlionis wrote...

-N7-Seeker wrote...

[You forget the part that Garrus can die. That is a lot of "missing content". Liara cannot die.
"(not to mention he has a ton more dialog with the crew)" I don't know who
closed herself into the XO's room and never leaves. Maybe if she puts
her head out, she could talk to the crew.

And the price was making her not part of the ME2 maingame. 

 
Talimancers turned it into a hate thread.

 
I don't know who started insulting us....

Uh, nobody? 

"Notice how most of the haters are Talimancers. They seriously have a massive inferiority complex regarding Liara. In a way I feel pity for them"

Well, that isn't insulting for you, but for us it is. You tried to change the subject also. We discussed Liara in this thread not the Talimancers. You fail to see our points, or you simply ignore them. Fine love Liara, **** her from the inside out, I don't care, but don't play troll. And don't tell me that you aren't a troll or I am the troll, because that's not true.

My discussion with you is over.

[Terrorize69]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

HagarIshay wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

The Liara hate is getting old. If anything, I agree that Garrus and Tali are more of Bioware's pets than Liara. The only reason she has plot armor is because she wasn't a squad in ME2, which that itself should be enough proof that she's not everyone's favorite at BioWare.

So? Kaidan and Ashley were also not squadmates in ME2. They can die. And she got a DLC. And a comic.

Not many hate Liara. People mostly hate all of the attention to her.

^This.

It's what Liara fans fail to see. They are baised, ofcourse they are. The more they see of their fave char, the better, they see nothing wrong with it. I can understand that. If the roles were reversed, one of my faves getting all the attention. I wouldnt see it cause I'd like it.

If they take a char they didn't like or weren't fond of, then had them 90% of time hitting on Shepard without being able to avoid it and not being able to kill them off. Then they'd know how non-liara fans would feel and we'd all understand the issue.

What about all the attention to Garrus and Tali? If you haven't noticed, they have a lot more screentime than Liara thanks to ME2 and I don't hate them for that. I really like Garrus, one of the most badass characters in ME and Tali I don't like her but that has got nothing to do with the fact that she was in all three games.

You mean all the attention to optional characters? Like I stated above, you can completely ignore Tali past Freedom's Progress and don't have to see her for the rest of the ME series. They can also die, Tali twice.

Thats the difference between the dextros and Liara.

[Arlionis]

-N7-Seeker wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

-N7-Seeker wrote...

[You forget the part that Garrus can die. That is a lot of "missing content". Liara cannot die.
"(not to mention he has a ton more dialog with the crew)" I don't know who
closed herself into the XO's room and never leaves. Maybe if she puts
her head out, she could talk to the crew.

And the price was making her not part of the ME2 maingame. 

 
Talimancers turned it into a hate thread.

 
I don't know who started insulting us....

Uh, nobody? 

"Notice how most of the haters are Talimancers. They seriously have a massive inferiority complex regarding Liara. In a way I feel pity for them"

Well, that isn't insulting for you, but for us it is. You tried to change the subject also. We discussed Liara in this thread not the Talimancers. You fail to see our points, or you simply ignore them. Fine love Liara, **** her from the inside out, I don't care, but don't play troll. And don't tell me that you aren't a troll or I am the troll, because that's not true.

My discussion with you is over.

That's not an insult, that's an observation, jsut take a look at the negative comments and you'll see Miss Helmet in most of their avatars. 

[Ageless Face]

Babi_Siha wrote...

But the Ash/Kaidan were never as popular as Liara and even if they were, both are Alliance's loyal soldiers. Them joining Cerberus would be just completely out of character for them.

She's got a DLC because of fan demand, which is the same reason Garrus and Tali became romance options in the second game. As for the comic, it wasn't all about Liara, it was more about the recovery of Shepard's body and since she briefly mentions in ME2 that she's the one who got his body BW just couldn't change lore and put another character to achieve that (too bad they didn't follow that lore logic and published Deception anyway).

What does it matter if they were not as popular like Liara? Garrus and Tali are also popular, and they can still die. Popular characters can still die. Characters that were not in ME2 can still die. Why is Liara the exeption here?

And again, Kaidan and Ashley were also asked to have a DLC. They didn't get any. Even Arrival could have gotten a brief mention about them. But nothing. So why Liara had a huge DLC just for her, about her, and adding a major plot twist to her (which, BTW, her being the shadow broker didn't get us much).

Comics could have Miranda as easily recovering Shepard's body. Why not? She wanted the body. She was capable enought to do so. It's also would have let us meet Miranda's character. Why Liara? Why from EVERYONE, Liara is the one to recover Shepard's body?

Modifié par HagarIshay, 21 juin 2012 - 02:05 .

[lillitheris]

I have anger. I MUST MISDIRECT IT IMMEDIATELY!

[-N7-Seeker]

Arlionis wrote...

-N7-Seeker wrote...

Arlionis wrote...

-N7-Seeker wrote...

[You forget the part that Garrus can die. That is a lot of "missing content". Liara cannot die.
"(not to mention he has a ton more dialog with the crew)" I don't know who
closed herself into the XO's room and never leaves. Maybe if she puts
her head out, she could talk to the crew.

And the price was making her not part of the ME2 maingame. 

 
Talimancers turned it into a hate thread.

 
I don't know who started insulting us....

Uh, nobody? 

"Notice how most of the haters are Talimancers. They seriously have a massive inferiority complex regarding Liara. In a way I feel pity for them"

Well, that isn't insulting for you, but for us it is. You tried to change the subject also. We discussed Liara in this thread not the Talimancers. You fail to see our points, or you simply ignore them. Fine love Liara, **** her from the inside out, I don't care, but don't play troll. And don't tell me that you aren't a troll or I am the troll, because that's not true.

My discussion with you is over.

That's not an insult, that's an observation, jsut take a look at the negative comments and you'll see Miss Helmet in most of their avatars. 

"Miss Helmet"? Well Fu*k you Blue Bi*ch. That wasn't an insult. I observed that she's blue and a bi*ch.

Discussion closed.

Modifié par -N7-Seeker, 21 juin 2012 - 01:55 .

[Arlionis]

-N7-Seeker wrote...

"Miss Helmet"? Well **** you Blue ****. That wasn't an insult. I observed that she's blue and a ****.

Discussion closed.

Oh my. 

Modifié par Arlionis, 21 juin 2012 - 01:56 .

[Makra017]

 

I guess this was most people's reaction after Thessia?

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Makra017 wrote...

 

I guess this was most people's reaction after Thessia?

It was mine. To be fair though, I had a similar reaction after Earth fell.

Modifié par Mr. Big Pimpin, 21 juin 2012 - 02:03 .

[Babi_Siha]

Terrorize69 wrote...

You mean all the attention to optional characters? Like I stated above, you can completely ignore Tali past Freedom's Progress and don't have to see her for the rest of the ME series. They can also die, Tali twice.

Thats the difference between the dextros and Liara.

And how many people do you know that have in fact skipped them? I don't think you can skip Garrus in ME2 and Tali's recruit and loyalty mission offer XP. And Garrus can't die in ME3 unless you have a really low EMS, which would affect Liara as well.

But despite that some people might not like all the attention to her, she's a useful character and a great squad member if you're not playing adept. Don't hate on the character, hate on Walters that ruined ME3 and made Liara immortal, this way all the players have something in common

-N7-Seeker wrote...

"Notice how most of the haters are Talimancers. They seriously have a massive inferiority complex regarding Liara. In a way I feel pity for them"

Well, that isn't insulting for you, but for us it is. You tried to change the subject also. We discussed Liara in this thread not the Talimancers. You fail to see our points, or you simply ignore them. Fine love Liara, **** her from the inside out, I don't care, but don't play troll. And don't tell me that you aren't a troll or I am the troll, because that's not true.

@Arlionis I agree with N7-Seeker, you're acting like nothing but a troll. If you think they are flaming the topic just ignore them but no need to go insulting anyone just because they don't share your views.

Modifié par Babi_Siha, 21 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[jlb524]

ME is a dudebro action shooter game/story and in those there can only be one really important female character.

And she must be sleeping with the main character dude.

If you don't romance Liara....it just ruins it.

[Terrorize69]

Babi_Siha wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

You mean all the attention to optional characters? Like I stated above, you can completely ignore Tali past Freedom's Progress and don't have to see her for the rest of the ME series. They can also die, Tali twice.

Thats the difference between the dextros and Liara.

And how many people do you know that have in fact skipped them? I don't think you can skip Garrus in ME2 and Tali's recruit and loyalty mission offer XP. And Garrus can't die in ME3 unless you have a really low EMS, which would affect Liara as well.

But despite that some people might not like all the attention to her, she's a useful character and a great squad member if you're not playing adept. Don't hate on the character, hate on Walters that ruined ME3 and made Liara immortal, this way all the players have something in common

If I'm honest none lo, but the option is there. And I think that's what most people's issue is, there is no option to be rid of Liara, she's just there, all blue and shiney in that plot armor

But I meant Garrus can die in ME2 Poor Bro.

Won't argue with that, they are all useful depending on your class and setup etc. And I agree with everything else in that statement thats the point of all this really.

[rubynorman]

About the dying things I already said it on the last page. I admit Liara Garrus and Tali even the VS have a better romance than the ME2 LI. But that's not a reason to hate the character. It's just the two years cycle and the SM. Because of BW's laziness now Liara gets the blame for the last cutscene. I hope they fix it in the EC and make up for the ME2 LIs with DLC, but ... the sad thing is we have to pay for it. Just like LotSB. Keeps demanding more DLC and maybe they will do something about it, keeps hating the characters ... is like hitting your furniture. We gain nothing but hatred.

[tyrvas]

If it wasn't for Liara your Shepard would not exist, s/he would have remained DEAD.
So thanks to her, you where able to continue your adventure.

[fr33stylez]

This is embarrassing.

[Babi_Siha]

Terrorize69 wrote...

Babi_Siha wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

You mean all the attention to optional characters? Like I stated above, you can completely ignore Tali past Freedom's Progress and don't have to see her for the rest of the ME series. They can also die, Tali twice.

Thats the difference between the dextros and Liara.

And how many people do you know that have in fact skipped them? I don't think you can skip Garrus in ME2 and Tali's recruit and loyalty mission offer XP. And Garrus can't die in ME3 unless you have a really low EMS, which would affect Liara as well.

But despite that some people might not like all the attention to her, she's a useful character and a great squad member if you're not playing adept. Don't hate on the character, hate on Walters that ruined ME3 and made Liara immortal, this way all the players have something in common

If I'm honest none lo, but the option is there. And I think that's what most people's issue is, there is no option to be rid of Liara, she's just there, all blue and shiney in that plot armor

But I meant Garrus can die in ME2 Poor Bro.

Won't argue with that, they are all useful depending on your class and setup etc. And I agree with everything else in that statement thats the point of all this really.

Great, so let's all team up, start a Walters hate thread and hope that Priestly won't ban us. :happy:

Yeah, Garrus can die, but I don't think anyone actually kills him, so that's good. I usually just kill Jacob in the Suicide Mission.

[Terrorize69]

tyrvas wrote...

If it wasn't for Liara your Shepard would not exist, s/he would have remained DEAD.
So thanks to her, you where able to continue your adventure.

People could say it's thanks to Liara you died in the first place o__o speculations!

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 The only people that deny Liara being a writer's pet are Liara fans.

[Ageless Face]

tyrvas wrote...

If it wasn't for Liara your Shepard would not exist, s/he would have remained DEAD.
So thanks to her, you where able to continue your adventure.

Then we should also thank Cerberus for that.



Sorry, not going to do that.<_<. So I won't thank Liara too. You know, just to be fair .

Modifié par HagarIshay, 21 juin 2012 - 02:35 .

[agu123]

Terrorize69 wrote...

tyrvas wrote...

If it wasn't for Liara your Shepard would not exist, s/he would have remained DEAD.
So thanks to her, you where able to continue your adventure.

People could say it's thanks to Liara you died in the first place o__o speculations!

Yeah. It's not like Shepard was trying to save Joker or anything. It was obviously Liara's fault.

[Terrorize69]

agu123 wrote...

Terrorize69 wrote...

tyrvas wrote...

If it wasn't for Liara your Shepard would not exist, s/he would have remained DEAD.
So thanks to her, you where able to continue your adventure.

People could say it's thanks to Liara you died in the first place o__o speculations!

Yeah. It's not like Shepard was trying to save Joker or anything. It was obviously Liara's fault.

If Liara went the first time Shepard told her, Shepard would of had the extra seconds he/she needed to get the the escape pod lol.

[SwiftSlash]

I can see the point people are trying to make. However, character development through her is a plus.

When we met her, she was the scientist that stammers, stutters and whilst trying to defend herself, traps herself. By the third installment we walk in on her basically executing two (then) defenseless operatives. She's only lost her mother, her friend/lover, her other friend and years of her life tracking those people she cares about...so yeah I like the character.

Besides, I'd much rather her be in every other scene then deal with: "I was genetically engineered to be perfect and I hate it." Even just one more time. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Miranda, she's just a shallow comparative.

[Estelindis]

anorling wrote...

I don't mind that Liara is the writers pet. If it wasn't her it would be another character. Same whine, different name

I agree with this somewhat in that I imagine I wouldn't mind at all that she was Bioware's or the writers' pet if she also happened to be my favourite character and my three-game-romance.  I just wish that my actual favourite character and romance through the entire series, Kaidan, had received such a great treatment.  I mean, he certainly got a much better treatment than some others (poor Jacob!), but wouldn't it have been great if Bioware had actually given the same time and attention that Liara got to everyone?

[clennon8]

Liara is the teachers pet. And I don't care. I still think she's pretty fantastic.