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[wsandista]

CrustyBot wrote...

S&M romance for Dragon Age 3.

[AstraDrakkar]

I do NOT support the OP in this case. DA3 will no doubt be an M rated game. The cutscenes should reflect as much. I am an adult and when I purchase an M rated game, I expect it to be one. Oh and if DA3 ends up being T rated, I won't be buying it.

Yes, this is coming from a female player. I get tired of people taking in all the gore in a game without batting an eye, but Andraste forbid a little hanky panky.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 21 juin 2012 - 02:11 .

[Plaintiff]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

I do NOT support the OP in this case. DA3 will no doubt be an M rated game. The cutscenes should reflect as much. I am an adult, and when I purchase an M rated game, I expect it to be one. Oh and if DA3 ends up being T rated, I won't be buying it.

"M" means "Mature"

Mature =/= nudity.

DA2 doesn't show sex scenes, but it's still M-rated and fully deserving of that designation, because it deals with complex concepts that are generally not appropriate for a younger audience (in the sense that they will simply not understand them).

[AstraDrakkar]

Plaintiff wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...

I do NOT support the OP in this case. DA3 will no doubt be an M rated game. The cutscenes should reflect as much. I am an adult, and when I purchase an M rated game, I expect it to be one. Oh and if DA3 ends up being T rated, I won't be buying it.

"M" means "Mature"

Mature =/= nudity.

DA2 doesn't show sex scenes, but it's still M-rated and fully deserving of that designation, because it deals with complex concepts that are generally not appropriate for a younger audience (in the sense that they will simply not understand them).

 

Yes, I was quite disappointed that DA2 did not show more skin during romance cutscenes. This is one of the factors that will decide whether I end up buying DA3. I loved DAO partially BECAUSE of those risque romance scenes.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 21 juin 2012 - 02:23 .

[Plaintiff]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...

I do NOT support the OP in this case. DA3 will no doubt be an M rated game. The cutscenes should reflect as much. I am an adult, and when I purchase an M rated game, I expect it to be one. Oh and if DA3 ends up being T rated, I won't be buying it.

"M" means "Mature"

Mature =/= nudity.

DA2 doesn't show sex scenes, but it's still M-rated and fully deserving of that designation, because it deals with complex concepts that are generally not appropriate for a younger audience (in the sense that they will simply not understand them).

 

Yes, I was quite disappointed that DA2 did not show more skin during romance cutscenes. This is one of the factors that will decide whether I end up buying DA3

So if a game doesn't show nudity, it's not really mature? I'm trying to understand the thought process behind this assertion. I've never noticed a correlation between nudity and maturity. If anything, they seem to be in inverse proportion to each other most of the time.

The 'American Pie' movies, for instance, have quite a lot of nudity and the characters are shown engaging in various sex acts fairly frequently, but I don't think anyone would mistake the series as being 'mature' even if it receives that official classification.

[AstraDrakkar]

It isn't a matter of whether having nudity makes a game M-rated. What i am saying is that having clothed scenes in the bedroom is unrealistic. The romances in DAO seemed more real to me because of the risque bedroom/tent scenes. It was more believable that way. Since DA3 will probably be M rated, it doesn't make sense to make sex scenes clothed. Unless I am mistaken, a key component of an RPG is to make it immersive for the player. Having clothed sex scenes takes that away from me.

Oh, but I will bust on The Witcher for something. Being a female player, I found it impossible to identify with the PC because you couldn't play as a female PC. That took away from the immersive process of the game for me.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 21 juin 2012 - 03:04 .

[coles4971]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

AstraDrakkar wrote...

I do NOT support the OP in this case. DA3 will no doubt be an M rated game. The cutscenes should reflect as much. I am an adult, and when I purchase an M rated game, I expect it to be one. Oh and if DA3 ends up being T rated, I won't be buying it.

"M" means "Mature"

Mature =/= nudity.

DA2 doesn't show sex scenes, but it's still M-rated and fully deserving of that designation, because it deals with complex concepts that are generally not appropriate for a younger audience (in the sense that they will simply not understand them).

 

Yes, I was quite disappointed that DA2 did not show more skin during romance cutscenes. This is one of the factors that will decide whether I end up buying DA3. I loved DAO partially BECAUSE of those risque romance scenes.

errrr... they were horrible

honestly, the DA:O scenes are that hard to watch for me i just skip them 

[AstraDrakkar]

I rewatched the DAO tent scenes many times myself.  What can i say, I can't resist eyecandy.

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 21 juin 2012 - 04:07 .

[AkiKishi]

Plaintiff wrote...

"M" means "Mature"

Mature =/= nudity.

DA2 doesn't show sex scenes, but it's still M-rated and fully deserving of that designation, because it deals with complex concepts that are generally not appropriate for a younger audience (in the sense that they will simply not understand them).

Or maybe it's for the over the top blood.

[Iakus]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Plaintiff wrote...

"M" means "Mature"

Mature =/= nudity.

DA2 doesn't show sex scenes, but it's still M-rated and fully deserving of that designation, because it deals with complex concepts that are generally not appropriate for a younger audience (in the sense that they will simply not understand them).

Or maybe it's for the over the top blood.

I turn persistent gore off and find exploding enemies silly myself.

But as for romances:

The tent scenes in DAO were a nonfactor fro me, just as the fade-to-black in KOTOR and even the text-only romances of BG2.  What was important was the emotions behind the romance, not "Do I get to see skin?"

Edit:  which is one reason I disliked The Witcher so much.  Nudity "just because we can" cheapens it.

Modifié par iakus, 21 juin 2012 - 03:26 .

[AkiKishi]

iakus wrote...
But as for romances:

The tent scenes in DAO were a nonfactor fro me, just as the fade-to-black in KOTOR and even the text-only romances of BG2.  What was important was the emotions behind the romance, not "Do I get to see skin?"

It's not so much about skin, it's about clothed sex scenes being dumb, especially in a game aimed at adults.

[AkiKishi]

iakus wrote...

Edit:  which is one reason I disliked The Witcher so much.  Nudity "just because we can" cheapens it.

It's a part of life and the Witcher portrays a very raw down to earth version of that life. I'd find it far cheaper to see Geralt and Triss get out of bed and be fully clothed.

[Iakus]

BobSmith101 wrote...
It's not so much about skin, it's about clothed sex scenes being dumb, especially in a game aimed at adults.

THat may be, but I don't think the solution is "moar skin" necessarily.  I'd hate to have nudity tossed in just because "it's an 'M' rated game"  As far as I'm concerned Keep it simple.  Keep it classy

[Plaintiff]

BobSmith101 wrote...

iakus wrote...
But as for romances:

The tent scenes in DAO were a nonfactor fro me, just as the fade-to-black in KOTOR and even the text-only romances of BG2.  What was important was the emotions behind the romance, not "Do I get to see skin?"

It's not so much about skin, it's about clothed sex scenes being dumb, especially in a game aimed at adults.

What is a "clothed sex scene"? What does that mean? Where has it ever happened?

DA2 didn't have clothed sex scenes, they did a standard fade-to-black. Obviously the clothes came off, they just don't show you that.

[AkiKishi]

iakus wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...
It's not so much about skin, it's about clothed sex scenes being dumb, especially in a game aimed at adults.

THat may be, but I don't think the solution is "moar skin" necessarily.  I'd hate to have nudity tossed in just because "it's an 'M' rated game"  As far as I'm concerned Keep it simple.  Keep it classy

I've never heard anyone describe underwear sex as classy.

[Iakus]

BobSmith101 wrote...

I've never heard anyone describe underwear sex as classy.

Never said they were.

I do think that fade to black is, however.

Heck my sig is lines from one of the best scenes of an ME3 romance (imo, of course), and both characters were fully clothed and armored at the time

For myself, Mass Effect 1 is as far as I'd push the nudity thing.

[syllogi]

I have no problem with topless scenes, for male or female characters, as long as it's not tacky and gross (and in fact would really, really like to see more shirtless men in DA3. Really.), but animated sex scenes are mostly just awkward. ME1 was pretty tasteful, but it didn't actually add much more to the romances than a fade to black.

I think this is one of those things where the devs should err on the side of being conservative, unless there is a good reason for spending the resources. For instance, I remember David Gaider saying that there originally was going to be more to the Dark Ritual scene (runes or something). That would have been interesting, and worth the cost, imo, and maybe worth more as a part of the story than the LI love scenes.

[Dwarva]

BobSmith101 wrote...
It's not so much about skin, it's about clothed sex scenes being dumb, especially in a game aimed at adults.

I honestly don't understand this argument.

As anyone who's ever been intimate with someone knows, you don't immediately rip someone else clothes off as soon as you start kissing. It's not a 'clothed sex scene' it's a clothed kissing (or at a push 'foreplay') scene. And generally in adult relationships, they come before sex. It would be different if DA2 showed Hawke and Anders dry humping with their clothes on but it doesn't. It shows them kissing. Same with Hawke and Isabela. It's totally normal.

With Fenris and Merrill it shows the aftermath of their encounter with a perfectly appropriate level of clothing IMO. And with Isabela it's clear the scene takes place a while after what's happened.

I honestly don't see the problem people have with this aspect of the game.

[brushyourteeth]

There's never been any clothed sex in Dragon Age.

Just clothed foreplay and fade to black when things get heavy.

I know others have said it and it's been said by me before but I'll just keep saying it.

I honestly eye-roll every time the subject of more graphic sex in the game comes up. It's not only a huge waste of resources that could otherwise be spent on making a better overall game, but those of us who want porn would just be much better served to actually go and watch porn. Let games be games.

Somehow I think we've lost our grasp of the words "adult" and "mature." I can very well achieve both without having to watch a couple of animated figures simulate sex.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 21 juin 2012 - 04:08 .

[karushna5]

Graphic sex is not needed. I like watching these scenes and while ME1 was good. Dragon age 2 was more varied although I was really annoyed Anders and Merrill had the same love scene. That breaks it but otherwise i thought it fantastic.

personally I want to romance a dwarf. have wanted to since 1 and fear the elusive dwarf romance will not come to be.

[Blue Gloves]

iakus wrote...


For myself, Mass Effect 1 is as far as I'd push the nudity thing.

Yeah- I love boobies as much as the next girl (or... girls who also love boobies, anyway) but I don't really feel the need to see them in my video games, and when it comes to the veg and berries- I don't really mind those either, but I'd definitely prefer not to have animated versions jiggling around on my screen.  I thought ME1 was perfect- the intent was conveyed, the LI and Shep got it on in a way that meaningful and important to the story line, and no gratuitous berries or boobies neccessary.  If I was inclined towards animated porn, well, I'm fairly certain that 10 seconds and google could satisfy that craving in abundancy.

[Vormaerin]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Or maybe it's for the over the top blood.

Yeah, that's pretty annoying.  I refused to buy the game until assured I'd have the option of turning that off.

Between sex and no sex in the romance scenes, I'd prefer they not waste the effort on the sex scenes but I'll buy the game either way.  But if the gore level was the way DAO was advertised, I'd have skipped the game.

Its rather amazing how much juvenilia ends up getting marked "M".   I'm not sure there's ever been anything more juvenile in a game than The Witcher's "Collectible Sex Cards". 

Modifié par Vormaerin, 21 juin 2012 - 10:30 .

[Direwolf0294]

I've said it before but I'll say it again. The sex scenes in DA:O and DA2 were just horrible. The ones in DA:O in particular felt incredibly patronizing, like BioWare were poking fun at people who liked to pursue romances in their games.

DA3 really needs to improve on the quality of sex scenes. I'm not asking for some sort of hardcore porn type scene but something of the same level as Mass Effect (the first game, not the series) would be great. What ever they do though I just hope there's no more scenes of people dry humping each other in their underwear.

Also OP, I don't recall The Witcher having very graphic sex scenes at all. All you got was an incredibly blurry scene of two vaguely human shapes hugging each other and then a sex card would pop up on screen. The sex cards themselves weren't that hardcore either, or at least the ones I got weren't. There was nudity but it wasn't like the women were laying there with their legs spread or anything. Did you mean to say The Witcher 2 in your post? I haven't played it but apparently the sex scenes are pretty hardcore in that. 

[hussey 92]

AstraDrakkar wrote...

I do NOT support the OP in this case. DA3 will no doubt be an M rated game. The cutscenes should reflect as much. I am an adult and when I purchase an M rated game, I expect it to be one. Oh and if DA3 ends up being T rated, I won't be buying it.

Yes, this is coming from a female player. I get tired of people taking in all the gore in a game without batting an eye, but Andraste forbid a little hanky panky.

I'm with this person^   If a game can have exploding enemies, what's wrong with a little nudity?

At least the Witcher 2, like Angry Joe said, treated us like adults