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[Augustei]

hussey 92 wrote...

Semhaine wrote...

I do avoid movies and TV shows with sex in them. 

Serouisly:blink:?  Then you've definitly missed a lot of classics.  Does sex bother you that much?

Its weird and awkward when its not real people, when its digitally graphicised then it just becomes..well yeah weird and awkward.

Some people may enjoy such things, insisiting upon its presence in media but those people are weird =P

Modifié par XxDeonxX, 25 juin 2012 - 11:15 .

[Uccio]

Semhaine wrote...

I somehow find ways to occupy myself.
It's not so much of a "SEX IS BAD" thing, and more of the fact that when it's placed in books, movies, whatever, it is there for the express purpose of sexually exciting its audience, despite whatever other reasons for including such scenes the media attaches onto it. It's simply... not tasteful?

So you are one of these "fade to black" people. Can you tell me what is the problem with pressing ESC if more graphic (be it ME1 or TW2 style) romance scenes are in the game? Wouldn´t you rather give other players a change to see sexual content if they so wish and choose yourself just skip it with a press of a button?

[LobselVith8]

hussey 92 wrote...

It's not like nudities a new thing in video games.  Mass Effect had some until frickin FOX News yelled at them.  
And do you also avoid movies and TV shows with sex in them?

Which seems to be why sex is handled so differently by the company since then. I doubt Dragon Age III will be any different.

[AstraDrakkar]

And this is why haven't watched Fox News since. I really think that Bioware was cowed down by them. I think Bioware should just ignore those Fox News idiots and not let them influence their creativity.

(It's true ya know. I really have refused to watch Fox News since they flamed Bioware)

Modifié par AstraDrakkar, 25 juin 2012 - 02:23 .

[Fredward]

Mass Effect's sex scene was perfect as far as I'm concerned, realistic but very tastefully done. From then though... Origins was awkward but I can't tell if it was the underwear or the weird "nude" models. DA2 wasn't much better. But my favourite would have to be Traynor's underwear included "relaxing" shower and this while she was trying to seduce my Shepard! Lulz nothing more seductive than soggie panties. Know what would've made that kids friendly? LOTS OF STEAM.

Besides it makes no sense that if a game sells for 18+ that even Mass Effect's nudity is considered too much. Really now if the game is considered to have enough violence that you have to be an adult to deal with it but the "sex" scenes cater for 12 year olds, what does that say?

Btw, don't interpret this as I want sex scenes directly from XXX sites, like I said Mass Effect was perfect.

[Issala]

Ukki wrote...

Semhaine wrote...

I somehow find ways to occupy myself.
It's not so much of a "SEX IS BAD" thing, and more of the fact that when it's placed in books, movies, whatever, it is there for the express purpose of sexually exciting its audience, despite whatever other reasons for including such scenes the media attaches onto it. It's simply... not tasteful?

So you are one of these "fade to black" people. Can you tell me what is the problem with pressing ESC if more graphic (be it ME1 or TW2 style) romance scenes are in the game? Wouldn´t you rather give other players a change to see sexual content if they so wish and choose yourself just skip it with a press of a button?

Yes, I am one of those "fade to black" people. We're kind of like a whole separate species, y'know? Even our internal organs are totally different. We don't have spleens.
Sorry. Your first sentence made me chuckle.

To the point, I did say that I can and have used the ESC button. The X button, really. Do I still squirm and feel uncomfortable? Yes. But if I really have to, I can skip or skim or ignore a lot, as long as it's not slapping me in the face every two hours of gametime.

I can understand where you're coming from. To each his own. You can't please everyone all at once, especially since I'm in the minority group here. But using the same logic you just used, why not give other players a chance to not have to worry about keeping their finger hovering over the ESC button when you can just play ME1 or TW2 or a whole slew of other games which give you what you want in the ways of sexual content?

Not trying to be prickly, just saying that argument can be used two ways. 
As I said earlier, there are already plenty of every form of media out there with more than enough sexual content to satisfy people that want it.
I think the "sex scenes" in DA2 were just fine. The actual romances themselves... maybe not so much.
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[hussey 92]

Semhaine wrote...

 why not give other players a chance to not have to worry about keeping their finger hovering over the ESC button 

I don't know why your finger is hovering over the ESC button, considering the sex scenes only take up 10 seconds of these 50+ hour games.

[Emzamination]

caradoc2000 wrote...

It is even more awkward to watch people having sex clothed.

Dragon age has never given clothed sex scenes.Just because it fades to black before you can see anything good doesn't mean they kept their clothes on the entire time.At the end of isabella's scene in Da2 we see her straighting her dress and buttoning something on her clothing.

[Uccio]

Semhaine wrote...

Yes, I am one of those "fade to black" people. We're kind of like a whole separate species, y'know? Even our internal organs are totally different. We don't have spleens.
Sorry. Your first sentence made me chuckle.

Semhaine wrote...

To the point, I did say that I can and have used the ESC button. The X button, really. Do I still squirm and feel uncomfortable? Yes. But if I really have to, I can skip or skim or ignore a lot, as long as it's not slapping me in the face every two hours of gametime.

I can understand where you're coming from. To each his own. You can't please everyone all at once, especially since I'm in the minority group here. But using the same logic you just used, why not give other players a chance to not have to worry about keeping their finger hovering over the ESC button when you can just play ME1 or TW2 or a whole slew of other games which give you what you want in the ways of sexual content?

Not trying to be prickly, just saying that argument can be used two ways. 
As I said earlier, there are already plenty of every form of media out there with more than enough sexual content to satisfy people that want it.
I think the "sex scenes" in DA2 were just fine. The actual romances themselves... maybe not so much.
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I (kind of) understand your point and I agree with you on the romances themselves, they truly need a upgrade.

I just see that in a game where excessive violence is a part of the integral gameplay sex(ual) minor content should not be a problem. I do however think that one solution could be a possibility to have a tab in the options to have the "mature" content turned on/off in the game so that you (and your people ) do not need to use the hower hand through out the game so no accident would happen.

Modifié par Ukki, 25 juin 2012 - 08:08 .

[Emzamination]

Ukki wrote...

I (kind of) understand your point and I agree with you on the romances themselves, they truly need a upgrade.

I just see that in a game where excessive violence is a part of the integral gameplay sex(ual) minor content should not be a problem. I do however think that one solution could be a possibility to have a tab in the options to have the "mature" content turned on/off in the game so that you (and your people ) do not need to use the hower hand through out the game so no accident would happen.

No, this isn't a bishojo game.

The second some kid's parents are out of sight, they'll hit that 'mature' tab,start asking their parents questions and bioware will be all over fox news again.You do remember the mass effect controversy, no?

[wsandista]

My belly's getting fat from all the popcorn.

[Issala]

Ukki wrote...

I (kind of) understand your point and I agree with you on the romances themselves, they truly need a upgrade.

I just see that in a game where excessive violence is a part of the integral gameplay sex(ual) minor content should not be a problem. I do however think that one solution could be a possibility to have a tab in the options to have the "mature" content turned on/off in the game so that you (and your people ) do not need to use the hower hand through out the game so no accident would happen.

Bolded part, definitely a valid argument. Which is why I like having the option to disable the Persistent Gore. It at least made me feel a little less dirty.
A toggle would probably take too much work and resources, though. Although it'd probably take about as much effort as making three different kinds of game experience, Action, Story, or Roleplaying. You just snip out the explicit bits. It'll probably never happen; my kind are a dying breed. Perhaps it is the lack of spleens?

Also, a game is only a bishoujo if it features beautiful, androgynous men with rabbit ears who all fall in love with the strong, fiery female protagonist.

[Issala]

wsandista wrote...

My belly's getting fat from all the popcorn.

You don't have to have the popcorn. Unless it's an eating disorder?

[Emzamination]

Semhaine wrote...

Also, a game is only a bishoujo if it features beautiful, androgynous men with rabbit ears who all fall in love with the strong, fiery female protagonist.

I believe you're thinking of "cosplay".  

bishojo is usually dating sims or harem but I digress.

[Issala]

Emzamination wrote...

Semhaine wrote...

Also, a game is only a bishoujo if it features beautiful, androgynous men with rabbit ears who all fall in love with the strong, fiery female protagonist.

I believe you're thinking of "cosplay".  

bishojo is usually dating sims or harem but I digress.

Actually, I was thinking of the word "shoujo." I get them mixed up.
You're right.
People who cosplay aren't usually beautiful, androgynous men. Take that however you will.

[hussey 92]

Emzamination wrote...

The second some kid's parents are out of sight, they'll hit that 'mature' tab,start asking their parents questions and bioware will be all over fox news again.You do remember the mass effect controversy, no?

The game is rated "M" and is not intended to be played by children.  And fox news is full of idiots, Bioware shouldn't let themselves be bullied around like that.

[computasaysnoo]

In DA2, the romances felt a little forced and rushed or either too cold and distant. An example of "too forced and rushed" is with Anders, who called you "my love," after one night together. It felt a little more normal for a fling with Isabela to happen because that's kind of in her character, in a "get it out of my system," kind of way. But then when it was time for the romance to become something warmer, I felt as if the relationship was "left hanging," as she barely reciprocated anything romance-based beyond the bedroom. 
You could say that Morrigan was the same but for some reason, It wasn't. She started off cold but because of that, when she said something warm, you could appreciate it greatly. Isabela didn't retain that unfortunately. 
The Fenris romance was a little warmer than Isabela's but still quite distant. I'm not saying that the characters need to be all over each other all the time but it's just compared to Origins, where each character was fleshed out and each romance felt so real, DA2 fell under the bar. 
For DA3, I don't think they can make romances feel real unless they allow us to talk to companions on our own accord, rathar than the "Questioning Beliefs," opportunities to have a conversation with them. I'd like to see the option to ignite romances between two single companions or on the other hand: break up two companions who are together . That would be fun. Oh oh, or convince one not to flirt back with the other companion - something like that would be hilarious. 

Anyway, I'd like to see DA3 draw inspiration from the warmth in the DAO relationships. If they plan on making Leliana a DA3 companion but with the romance options from DA2, her character will be ruined. 

Modifié par computasaysnoo, 27 juin 2012 - 03:51 .

[MagmaSaiyan]

considering what the Witcher can get away with, i think Bioware should make it at least alittle better than fade to black with no "closeness" a better version of Origins and a slap of DA2 would suffice.

[caradoc2000]

Emzamination wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

It is even more awkward to watch people having sex clothed.

Dragon age has never given clothed sex scenes.Just because it fades to black before you can see anything good doesn't mean they kept their clothes on the entire time.At the end of isabella's scene in Da2 we see her straighting her dress and buttoning something on her clothing.

You know what I mean.

[AkiKishi]

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

considering what the Witcher can get away with, i think Bioware should make it at least alittle better than fade to black with no "closeness" a better version of Origins and a slap of DA2 would suffice.

The Witcher does not really "get away" with anything. That is what is allowed under 18 certification. It's Bioware who are putting PG-13 scenes into 18 rated games.

[Urzon]

BobSmith101 wrote...

MagmaSaiyan wrote...

considering what the Witcher can get away with, i think Bioware should make it at least alittle better than fade to black with no "closeness" a better version of Origins and a slap of DA2 would suffice.

The Witcher does not really "get away" with anything. That is what is allowed under 18 certification. It's Bioware who are putting PG-13 scenes into 18 rated games.

LOL

I just got a flashback to the first Scary Movie when you said that, with the whole PG-13 thing. That would be hilarious if they put that in-game.

~*~*~

Isabela: I'm sorry Gorgeous, but Bioware won't allow any rated R sexy stuff into this game. How about some PG-13 instead?

Hawke: .....what?

*Isabela opens her blouse revealing a hairy jiggling man chest!*

Hawke: AWWWWWWWW!

*Hawke falls backwards, clutching his eyes.*

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

I want Hawke as a protagonist, and Merrill as a companion, with the possibility to acknowledge a previous romance, and continue it.

Hey, we all have our favorites. I'm not ashamed to flaunt mine.

[GodWood]

Emzamination wrote...
The second some kid's parents are out of sight, they'll hit that 'mature' tab,start asking their parents questions and bioware will be all over fox news again.You do remember the mass effect controversy, no?

This is a game for adults and as such should be created for adults and not be censored for the benefit of children.

Besides, children can see far worse things if they just use the internet.

Oh, and I'll add again, WHY THE **** IS IT OK FOR CHILDREN TO SEE VIOLENCE, BLOOD, GORE AND MURDER YET CONSENSUAL SEX BETWEEN TWO ADULTS IS UNACCEPTABLE?

Modifié par GodWood, 28 juin 2012 - 08:00 .

[Fredward]

Oh, and I'll add again, WHY THE **** IS IT OK FOR CHILDREN TO SEE VIOLENCE, BLOOD, GORE AND MURDER YET CONSENSUAL SEX BETWEEN TWO ADULTS IS UNACCEPTABLE?

Because fornication is a sin in the eyes of the Maker! Also it gives you cooties! Even through a screen! COOTIES!

[thats1evildude]

Because sex scenes in video games are generally awkward and terrible, and it would be better if we just avoided them altogether.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 28 juin 2012 - 09:49 .