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[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

GodWood wrote...



Oh, and I'll add again, WHY THE **** IS IT OK FOR CHILDREN TO SEE VIOLENCE, BLOOD, GORE AND MURDER YET CONSENSUAL SEX BETWEEN TWO ADULTS IS UNACCEPTABLE?

Because Western society *America in particular* has a massive stick up it's ass about sex.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 28 juin 2012 - 11:08 .

[Fredward]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

GodWood wrote...
Oh, and I'll add again, WHY THE **** IS IT OK FOR CHILDREN TO SEE VIOLENCE, BLOOD, GORE AND MURDER YET CONSENSUAL SEX BETWEEN TWO ADULTS IS UNACCEPTABLE?

Because Western society *America in particular* has a massive stick up it's ass about sex.

Which is really ironic when you think about it. XD

[Uccio]

Emzamination wrote...

No, this isn't a bishojo game.

The second some kid's parents are out of sight, they'll hit that 'mature' tab,start asking their parents questions and bioware will be all over fox news again.You do remember the mass effect controversy, no?

Well, to be frank, I don´t see how Bioware is responsible for such a situation when the game is already rated M. At such point we should wonder why parents buy adult games to their children, shouldn´t we?

[Uccio]

GodWood wrote...

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Besides, children can see far worse things if they just use the internet.

Hah hah, so true. I grew up in time before the internet but that did not stop us from getting our hand on some hard core porn magazines. Kids will allways find a way.

Modifié par Ukki, 28 juin 2012 - 07:38 .

[Fallstar]

I'm not particularly bothered, so long as it's tasteful. They could fade to black, go with the same type of system in DA right now, or have more explicit nudity. None of the 3 are better than the others, just depends how well they can pull them off.

[Emzamination]

Ukki wrote...


Well,
to be frank, I don´t see how Bioware is responsible for such a
situation when the game is already rated M. At such point we should
wonder why parents buy adult games to their children, shouldn´t we?

I agree but the whole "This is a M rated game" argument, while perfectly valid has never held water.Mass effect 1 was also M rated but the second some kid saw a naked backside, bioware was being accused of peddling 'pixelated porn' through their games by the media which eventually led to sale drops and the game being temp banned in Spain.Grand theft auto: san andreas was also a M rated game but when a kid made a personal mod to reactivate some unused code in his game and saw some adult entertainment.Rockstar, even tho perfectly innocent caught fire and brimstone from 'concerned parents' with Hillary Clinton even taking the issue to capital hill.The games rating was pushed up to adult, ripped off shelves, recalled and re-released with the code deleted entirely so the mod was rendered useless and parents were happy even tho it's a game for adults that no kid should ever play.The second the news accuses DA of being explicit, 'concerned parents' and activist groups will be outside EA's offices with Pickett signs and picnic baskets till the news tells the sheep all is chaste in the world again.I'd rather Dragon age not attract that kind of attention, ever.

Modifié par Emzamination, 29 juin 2012 - 05:13 .

[Melca36]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

GodWood wrote...



Oh, and I'll add again, WHY THE **** IS IT OK FOR CHILDREN TO SEE VIOLENCE, BLOOD, GORE AND MURDER YET CONSENSUAL SEX BETWEEN TWO ADULTS IS UNACCEPTABLE?

Because Western society *America in particular* has a massive stick up it's ass about sex.

Its actually a small majority but sadly its very loud and vocal and they all want us to go back to society with a 1950s idealism. <_<

[SafetyShattered]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I believe that sex scenes in ME were done very respectfully. It was better then the traditional fade to black screen but wasn't as explicit as say the witcher. I thought it was a good balance. I also think that the Liara sex scene in ME3 was pretty well done too. But I agree that I wasn't a huge fan of how the witcher handled it either. It felt that, at least to me, that it was done just for shock value. It did absolutely nothing to enhance the game for me at all. I'm a dude and even I was put off by it.

[AkiKishi]

Emzamination wrote...

Ukki wrote...


Well,
to be frank, I don´t see how Bioware is responsible for such a
situation when the game is already rated M. At such point we should
wonder why parents buy adult games to their children, shouldn´t we?

I agree but the whole "This is a M rated game" argument, while perfectly valid has never held water.Mass effect 1 was also M rated but the second some kid saw a naked backside, bioware was being accused of peddling 'pixelated porn' through their games by the media which eventually led to sale drops and the game being temp banned in Spain.Grand theft auto: san andreas was also a M rated game but when a kid made a personal mod to reactivate some unused code in his game and saw some adult entertainment.Rockstar, even tho perfectly innocent caught fire and brimstone from 'concerned parents' with Hillary Clinton even taking the issue to capital hill.The games rating was pushed up to adult, ripped off shelves, recalled and re-released with the code deleted entirely so the mod was rendered useless and parents were happy even tho it's a game for adults that no kid should ever play.The second the news accuses DA of being explicit, 'concerned parents' and activist groups will be outside EA's offices with Pickett signs and picnic baskets till the news tells the sheep all is chaste in the world again.I'd rather Dragon age not attract that kind of attention, ever.

You must have different certifications. ME was rated 15 here. The second one was a 12 and ME3 was a 15.

[Uccio]

Emzamination wrote...

Ukki wrote...


Well,
to be frank, I don´t see how Bioware is responsible for such a
situation when the game is already rated M. At such point we should
wonder why parents buy adult games to their children, shouldn´t we?

I agree but the whole "This is a M rated game" argument, while perfectly valid has never held water.Mass effect 1 was also M rated but the second some kid saw a naked backside, bioware was being accused of peddling 'pixelated porn' through their games by the media which eventually led to sale drops and the game being temp banned in Spain.Grand theft auto: san andreas was also a M rated game but when a kid made a personal mod to reactivate some unused code in his game and saw some adult entertainment.Rockstar, even tho perfectly innocent caught fire and brimstone from 'concerned parents' with Hillary Clinton even taking the issue to capital hill.The games rating was pushed up to adult, ripped off shelves, recalled and re-released with the code deleted entirely so the mod was rendered useless and parents were happy even tho it's a game for adults that no kid should ever play.The second the news accuses DA of being explicit, 'concerned parents' and activist groups will be outside EA's offices with Pickett signs and picnic baskets till the news tells the sheep all is chaste in the world again.I'd rather Dragon age not attract that kind of attention, ever.

That is still not Bioware´s problem. I have 18 rate in my Origins copy, that should indicate to any parent that they are solely responsible for any "damage" done to their kids (though I know for sure that kids playing the game have no problem with  it, only the parents) by the game if they allow their child to play it. Now, atleast with such rating any public outcry is void be it Hillary or anyone else commenting on the subject. Mods and what not do go to the same category, parent responsibility.

Modifié par Ukki, 29 juin 2012 - 02:11 .

[Pasquale1234]

The bigger issue, for me, is zot allocation - and I think there are much better places to invest them than a series of 10-second sex scenes that a lot of players will never see.

So I would vote for fixing the other, more prevalent clipping issues and the filthy mummified hands.  Fade-to-black serves the purpose of informing the observer that sexual intimacy has occurred, and those zots can be spent where they would have much greater impact throughout the entire game.

[Uccio]

^ again that brings up the fade to black combat.

[Emzamination]

Ukki wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Ukki wrote...


Well,
to be frank, I don´t see how Bioware is responsible for such a
situation when the game is already rated M. At such point we should
wonder why parents buy adult games to their children, shouldn´t we?

I agree but the whole "This is a M rated game" argument, while perfectly valid has never held water.Mass effect 1 was also M rated but the second some kid saw a naked backside, bioware was being accused of peddling 'pixelated porn' through their games by the media which eventually led to sale drops and the game being temp banned in Spain.Grand theft auto: san andreas was also a M rated game but when a kid made a personal mod to reactivate some unused code in his game and saw some adult entertainment.Rockstar, even tho perfectly innocent caught fire and brimstone from 'concerned parents' with Hillary Clinton even taking the issue to capital hill.The games rating was pushed up to adult, ripped off shelves, recalled and re-released with the code deleted entirely so the mod was rendered useless and parents were happy even tho it's a game for adults that no kid should ever play.The second the news accuses DA of being explicit, 'concerned parents' and activist groups will be outside EA's offices with Pickett signs and picnic baskets till the news tells the sheep all is chaste in the world again.I'd rather Dragon age not attract that kind of attention, ever.

That is still not Bioware´s problem. I have 18 rate in my Origins copy, that should indicate to any parent that they are solely responsible for any "damage" done to their kids (though I know for sure that kids playing the game have no problem with  it, only the parents) by the game if they allow their child to play it. Now, atleast with such rating any public outcry is void be it Hillary or anyone else commenting on the subject. Mods and what not do go to the same category, parent responsibility.

...Did you even read my post?

[Uccio]

Believe me I did, but my point still stands. Bio just should not be held accountable for morons. Period. Childproofing adult games because parents have problems understanding what "M" or "18" rated means (or any of the rates) is just plain retard, even if would cause banning of the game somewhere. All this Hillary Clinton stuff just makes me facepalm with two hands.

Modifié par Ukki, 29 juin 2012 - 10:05 .

[Emzamination]

Ukki wrote...

Believe me I did, but my point still stands. Bio just should not be held accountable for morons. Period. Childproofing adult games because parents have problems understanding what "M" or "18" rated means (or any of the rates) is just plain retard, even if would cause banning of the game somewhere. All this Hillary Clinton stuff just makes me facepalm with two hands.

In a perfect world alot of things should and should not happen but we don't live in that perfect utopia.Some people feel it is their eternal duty to inflict their religious or moral views of right & wrong on the rest of society in any way they can.You can argue till your out of breath with a mother telling her in as calm a manner possible "You should watch what your kid plays more closely" and all you'll get in return is "Don't tell me how to raise my kid".Even if you get said mother to agree that her kid was in the wrong, she'll still keep pushing forward by stating something like "I'm not just doing this for my kid, I'm doing it for kids everywhere who might be exposed to this" because some sheep have a super sense of self-righteousness coupled with an inability to admit they're wrong.

You speak as if the only way you can get your hands on a Mature game is by having a parent walk in the store with you, lol.Even if they can't get a physical or digital copy of the game, some moron will think the sex scene is hot and upload it to video sites like youtube where everyone can see it like they did with the witcher 2, then we got another Exalted media march, game recalls and content block patches.Bioware having their name and reputation dragged through the dirt by the media by being accused of peddling smut is not worth a few cheap thrills.Best we stay with the fade to black.

[mopotter]

ME1 will always have my favorite romantic love scene. I'd love something like that, classic, good atmosphere, lighting, music, romantic. Not the same for every character, but definitely something M rated. Not explicit just hinted at.

But if the choice is blackout or underwear I go with blackout.

[hussey 92]

Emzamination wrote...

Even if they can't get a physical or digital copy of the game, some moron will think the sex scene is hot and upload it to video sites like youtube where everyone can see it like they did with the witcher 2

Yes the interenet was such a clean place before the witcher 2

note:  youtube doesn't let viewers under 18 view mature content.

[Uccio]

Emzamination wrote...

You speak as if the only way you can get your hands on a Mature game is by having a parent walk in the store with you, lol.Even if they can't get a physical or digital copy of the game, some moron will think the sex scene is hot and upload it to video sites like youtube where everyone can see it like they did with the witcher 2, then we got another Exalted media march, game recalls and content block patches.Bioware having their name and reputation dragged through the dirt by the media by being accused of peddling smut is not worth a few cheap thrills.Best we stay with the fade to black.

I have myself seen several times how some parent bought their kid (age 10 - 13) a adult rated game. But I do know perfectly well that kids also have ways to get what they want. I used to be a young boy too you know, long time ago. We did not have any problem in getting our hands on pornogracphical material even we did not have the internet. But that´s beside the point, which is that none of those things you said are Biowares problem. Yes, world isn´t perfect porn does exist, as does sex and all things related. World is not also a project for religous people to work on, to perfect it as they like. 

I don´t give a crap about some peoples sensitive feelings on issues which do not concern them a single bit. Parent responsibility, thats it. You cry over your kid looking at "sexual content" in a 18 rated game? YOU get the fine/jail time what ever, just YOU, because its YOUR responsibility to parent over YOUR children, not company which makes games for adults.

If we start bending over backward over issues which do not belong to people who happen to have too much sensitivity over the issue then there is no end to that. All game companies might just well as quit or start making my little pony games in fear not offending anyone.

ps. caps are not meant to be seen as shouting, just to make a point.

Modifié par Ukki, 30 juin 2012 - 10:38 .

[Emzamination]

hussey 92 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Even if they can't get a physical or digital copy of the game, some moron will think the sex scene is hot and upload it to video sites like youtube where everyone can see it like they did with the witcher 2

Yes the interenet was such a clean place before the witcher 2

note:  youtube doesn't let viewers under 18 view mature content.

Of course not, it was just... less dirty

All youtube does is ask if you're 18 or not, you click yes and you're in.I think "let" is too strong a word.

[Emzamination]

Ukki wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

You speak as if the only way you can get your hands on a Mature game is by having a parent walk in the store with you, lol.Even if they can't get a physical or digital copy of the game, some moron will think the sex scene is hot and upload it to video sites like youtube where everyone can see it like they did with the witcher 2, then we got another Exalted media march, game recalls and content block patches.Bioware having their name and reputation dragged through the dirt by the media by being accused of peddling smut is not worth a few cheap thrills.Best we stay with the fade to black.

I have myself seen several times how some parent bought their kid (age 10 - 13) a adult rated game. But I do know perfectly well that kids also have ways to get what they want. I used to be a young boy too you know, long time ago. We did not have any problem in getting our hands on pornogracphical material even we did not have the internet. But that´s beside the point, which is that none of those things you said are Biowares problem. Yes, world isn´t perfect porn does exist, as does sex and all things related. World is not also a project for religous people to work on, to perfect it as they like. 

I don´t give a crap about some peoples sensitive feelings on issues which do not concern them a single bit. Parent responsibility, thats it. You cry over your kid looking at "sexual content" in a 18 rated game? YOU get the fine/jail time what ever, just YOU, because its YOUR responsibility to parent over YOUR children, not company which makes games for adults.

If we start bending over backward over issues which do not belong to people who happen to have too much sensitivity over the issue then there is no end to that. All game companies might just well as quit or start making my little pony games in fear not offending anyone.

ps. caps are not meant to be seen as shouting, just to make a point.

Now that is a sensible argument, I agree.

[hussey 92]

Emzamination wrote...

hussey 92 wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Even if they can't get a physical or digital copy of the game, some moron will think the sex scene is hot and upload it to video sites like youtube where everyone can see it like they did with the witcher 2

Yes the interenet was such a clean place before the witcher 2

note:  youtube doesn't let viewers under 18 view mature content.

Of course not, it was just... less dirty

All youtube does is ask if you're 18 or not, you click yes and you're in.I think "let" is too strong a word.

Actually you have to sign in with an account that says your over 18.  It's much easier to find porn.

[Rawgrim]

I don`t want everyone to be bisexual in da3, thats for sure. That bit was more than lame.

[FenrirBlackDragon]

I think my hopes for DA3 as far as romance is concerned have more to do with the characters themselves rather than their sexual orientation and whether you get a sex scene or not (although I do miss the option to kiss or sleep with your LI whenever you wanted in Origins!).

In the previous two games, they tended to emphasize particular romances, Morrigan and Alistair for Origins and Isabela and Anders for DA2 (from what I could tell). Morrigan and Isabela were used in the main advertising campaigns, and all four have more importance (and at times were even pivotal) to the main story than the others (Zevran, Leliana, Fenris, and Merrill).
So, these romance options appear to be the "canon" options- the ones that fit the story most and the ones you seem more drawn to pick initially.

I want romance option that are all equally important to the main storyline of DA3. I want them each to receive equal amounts of character depth, attention, but not to sacrifice the quality of those characters or their stories. I want the romantic scenes you do get (be it a kiss, a love scene, a cuddle or a hug) to be emotionally satisfying and well written.

If I had to go for specifics, I want romances who are polarized in personality, but not necessarily in opinions of mages vs templars, for example. This is part of why Fenris, Merrill and Anders annoyed me, as much as I liked them over Isabela. They were both so polarized. But with Isabela it didn't matter what side you're on. If we're going for the usual four options, I think they should have one male and one female who are both neutral.

Someone with Aveline or Varric's personality would really appeal to me.

I also noticed that in Origins it was a mage, a warrior, and two rogues, and then a warrior, a rogue, and two mages in DA2. Just for pattern's sake, I would like to see a mage, a rogue, and two warriors.

I think that about sums it up for me.