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[xxHiDa SuFixx]

OhPa2 wrote...

It's plain as day. Some active members of our community are being flat out excluded from having a chance to complete all of the weekend event goals.

Leave out a chance for an N7? Whatever... if someone thinks that makes Bioware customers happier.

Divide the community? Create more ill will? What are they thinking in Edmonton?

"flat out excluded"??

Like Bioware is taking away their ability to buy any more packs?

Oh ... ya ... that's right ... they aren't being "flat out excluded" ... 


How about instead of N7 challenges where some people may not be able to get the Commendation Pack ... how about if Bioware just handed out Commendation Packs every Tuesday to anyone and everyone in the spirit of being fair?

[ShadowRanger88]

So, to anyone who wanted to know, I farmed FBWGG for a long time. I mean a LONG time. I didn't enjoy it but after about a month of it, I maxed my rares (With PSP's. As far as getting rares in concerned, you get more value out of PSP's), then moved down to veteran packs to max the uncommons. But most of the arguments here are very valid because I know the store can be very dodgy and random. But there are 7 characters available to complete this operation. And you just need to get 1. Open enough PSP's (I roughly get a krogan/vorcha/batarian at least every 3-4 psp's) And you can do the weekend op. Everyone still has time.

[Varzin]

TLK Spires wrote...

i'm currently not wearing any pants, and i'm here to encourage anyone who hasn't done so already to follow in suit. 


continue.

Don't you mean follow OUT of suit?

Removing underwear now...without taking off pants.

[Hook-n-Swoop]

Might be a test from their part: How badly are people wanting to pay for the packs in order to participate in an operation.

[ShadowRanger88]

Dantexr3 wrote...

Oh, really? I've spent like 10 million credits since the first DLC and still no Asari Justicar, Vorcha, Batarian, and ex-Cerbs.

That's just bad luck. But seeing as your weapons aren't maxed, I can see why you might get them over cards. Seeing as all I get is just cards now, every character drops like crazy.

jerrinehart wrote...

And most of the people I see complaining actually have what they need to participate lol. What sense does that make?

 

As for the answer to this^ question. I was tired of seeing the complaining threads about people who don't have them, so I decided to make a thread about them to stop complaining. I whine agaisnt the whiners. (I just finished my exams so I actually have nothing else to do lol)

[ShadowRanger88]

Hook-n-Swoop wrote...

Might be a test from their part: How badly are people wanting to pay for the packs in order to participate in an operation.

Yeah I can see many people maybe just putting $10 or $20 down for the chance to get what they don't have.

[Snoopy1955]

 Perhaps I'm just a bitter and angry person, but I recall a time when I didn't get to participate in weekend events because I had the audacity to be playing via PS3. As I recall, my complaints were met with sentances like "lol, bro, buy a 360".

I want to feel sad for people who don't get to participate, after all, I know what it is like to not be allowed to participate in a weekend event. Instead, I'm blown away by the fact that being excluded because of bad luck brings this community together, but being denied because of hardware choice gets a big section of us listed as whiny crybabies who bought the wrong console.

[MattyBoy714]

I'm a brand new player and came here expecting a quick guide or some help. Found a condescending **** instead. Thanks.

[humes spork]

Snoopy1955 wrote...

Instead, I'm blown away by the fact that being excluded because of bad luck brings this community together, but being denied because of hardware choice gets a big section of us listed as whiny crybabies who bought the wrong console.

Look at this thread alone, it's chock-full of people listing people being excluded thanks to bad luck, and those who are speaking on their behalf, as whiny crybabies who just want free stuff. You don't have to look far to find the "I got mine, so **** you" attitude.

[ShadowRanger88]

ryoldschool wrote...

kevosama wrote...

Rolc63 wrote...

kevosama wrote...
*snip*

That's not how statistics work, he has the same odds each time he opens a pack until he maxes out a weapon. If you flip a coin 4 times and you get 4 tails, what are your odds the next flip will be tails? (The answer is 50/50) 

The question you are asking is not the question you want to ask. Each time he opens a PSP, he has a fixed chance of drawing a Kro/Bat/Vor = 7/41 per gold slot.
What I'm calculating above is different. I'm calculating the odds of NOT having a Kro, Bat, or Vor after N PSP's have been purchased. That's why the number decreases with N. Each chance of drawing a Kro,Bat, or Vorcha is fixed, independent, and denoted p(Kro,Bat,Vor).

Coin example; You have a 50% chance of tails (K/B/V). Each flip you have a 50/50 chance of getting tails (K/B/V). The question is, after 4 flips what are the odds that none of them will have been tails (K/B/V)? The converse question is ; after 4 flips, what is the probabilty you have flipped only heads?
The answer is; p(Heads)^4 = (1-p(tails))^4 = .5^4 = 6%.

You obviously know more about this than other folk on here ( certainly me ).

So you still stand by these numbers?  Can I suggest that if 100 people bought five(5)  PSP each then I would expect that 
85 of them would have one of the characters unlocked, assuming that the store is really random?

# PSP's bought          probability of NOT unlocking Krogan, Batarian, or Vorcha
1        0.687686
2        0.472912
3        0.325215
4        0.223646
5        0.153798
6        0.105765
7        0.0727329
8        0.0500174
9        0.0343962
10      0.0236538 

For this equation, this is the probablilty of NOT unlocking one AT ALL. Once you unlock one, the numbers reset back to the original at number 1. Since all rares have an equal chance (until you max weapons) The probability will decrease if you did not get one of the 7 characters. Of course this is only theory, but generally, it's a decent estimation. As I said before I usually get a savage character every 3-4 PSP's if I'm unlucky. There was once where I got the Krogan battlemaster 7 times in a row.


Edit: Took this for more statistic support

QCteamkill wrote...

I'll take your basic 7 in 41 (0.17073) chance is correct.

I used probability mass function of binomial distribution and got

Probability of getting 0 success in 1 trial: 0.829270
Probability of getting 0 success in 5 trials: 0.39217488
Probability of getting 0 success in 10 trials :0.15380114
Probability of getting 0 success in 20 trials :0.02365479

 

There is a VERY LOW chance after opening a decent amount of packs of people getting absolutely nothing. My advice, don't buy 1 pack at a time. Save 500 thousand or more and blow it all at once. Instead of being constantly dissapointed, you might get that 1 item that you want and make you forget all the RNG fails.

Modifié par ShadowRanger88, 21 juin 2012 - 09:16 .

[reioni]

ShadowRanger88 wrote...

Too bad. Really. You should have one by now. It's been a few months and you haven't got even the krogan soldier or sentinel? Suck it up, you still have a couple days before it starts, just get one now.

 

Gonna have to say I have to Agree.  I bought a second copy for the PC copy last week and with a little work I already have a Korgan unlocked on my PC account.  If you dont have one, dont QQ.  It probably means you havent put any time or effort in to your ME3 account and just want something handed to you.  Oh well!   Guess what, you can still do your part to get a victory pack!  That's not a bad deal!


Edit:  Also I looks like from my registered game content info that, since my accounts are linked to the same master Origin Account, I only have to complete the goals on either my PC or my Xbox version and will get packs on both.  Can anyone confirm?  I'll probably do both just to be sure but it would be interesting to know.

Modifié par reioni, 21 juin 2012 - 09:24 .

[Paramedic293]

Was anyone else expecting a condescending wonka meme? I was...

[kevosama]

ryoldschool wrote...

kevosama wrote...

Rolc63 wrote...

kevosama wrote...

# PSP's bought          probability of NOT unlocking Krogan, Batarian, or Vorcha
1        0.687686
2        0.472912
3        0.325215
4        0.223646
5        0.153798
6        0.105765
7        0.0727329
8        0.0500174
9        0.0343962
10      0.0236538  

*snip*

*snip*

You obviously know more about this than other folk on here ( certainly me ).

So you still stand by these numbers?  Can I suggest that if 100 people bought five(5)  PSP each then I would expect that 
85 of them would have one of the characters unlocked, assuming that the store is really random?

You got it - if 100 people bought 5 PSP's at the end ~85 of them (the people) would have at least one of the characters unlocked.

ladylan wrote...
@kevosama, that is only premium spectre pack data. most new players probably buy veteran's packs and don't even realize that it is impossible to get one of the characters in those packs

Yep, and that's quite a shame too - if I hadn't logged onto the forums, and found the MP manifest, I don't think I would know what qualified as rare, and that the Kro/Bat/Vor are all on that list. I don't think a new player would know that - which makes it quite a shame. Once I had it figured out though, I just started going for the PSP's since they give you the most bang for your buck.

Edit - reply to ladylan

Modifié par kevosama, 21 juin 2012 - 09:27 .

[ShadowRanger88]

Paramedic293 wrote...

Was anyone else expecting a condescending wonka meme? I was...

I tried to upload one, but it wouldn't work. Bah I found a great TOO BAD meme too =(

[JaimasOfRaxis]

ShadowRanger88 Said:
I tried to upload one, but it wouldn't work. Bah I found a great TOO BAD meme too =(

[Snoopy1955]

 "I got mine so **** everyone else" was not actually what I meant, and I wasn't actually meaning to suggest that anyone was a whiny crybaby. Really, I was kind of trying to point out that there is kind of a presedence to people being excluded for one reason or another.

I mean, I admit there was a bit of a snipe there about how when the PS3 users were crying foul, we pretty much got told to suck it up, but now that it is effecting a different group there is all this support, but it is kind of hard not to be a bit of a jaded dick some of the times given the circumstances.

Now, as for this situation, I actually think that the suggestions that the event actually be restricted by class instead of race are wise and well thought out, but there isn't much we can do about that.

As a suggestion about what the average player who doesn't have the necessary race to participate, I suggest grinding for credits starting now. Playing silver instead of gold takes longer to build up credits, but it'll save your consumables for the event . You want to save up for premium spectre packs, as they have the best chance of giving you the cards you need. You could also spend real money on packs and hope really hard, but that could be expensive, and I don't suggest that.

What would actually be phenomenally helpful in this kind of situation would be a release of a special "character cards only" pack. This would let people who need Krogans/Vorcha/Batarians for the event to have a fair chance of getting those characterz and getting in on the event, and would also allow people who have the needed character cards, but are still missing characters the chance they need to get those.

I honestly feel that a special "characters only" pack would be the perfect solution. BW/EA makes some money on people buying packs because they can't grind enough credits, everyone gets a chance to get in on the event, thanks to the packs of character cards, people like me who don't have all of the characters yet get a chance to get them, since apparently, character cards are a super rare spawn out of packs, and the people who already have everything have a better chance of filling a room with only Krogans/Vorcha/Batarians. Everyone wins everyone goes home happy.

[OhPa2]

xxHiDa SuFixx wrote...

OhPa2 wrote...

It's plain as day. Some active members of our community are being flat out excluded from having a chance to complete all of the weekend event goals.

Leave out a chance for an N7? Whatever... if someone thinks that makes Bioware customers happier.

Divide the community? Create more ill will? What are they thinking in Edmonton?

"flat out excluded"??

Like Bioware is taking away their ability to buy any more packs?

Oh ... ya ... that's right ... they aren't being "flat out excluded" ... 


How about instead of N7 challenges where some people may not be able to get the Commendation Pack ... how about if Bioware just handed out Commendation Packs every Tuesday to anyone and everyone in the spirit of being fair?

Why should anyone who bought the game have to buy packs - hoping they get the right items - to participate in a community event or be excluded if they don't or can't?

How many packs should they have to buy?

Modifié par OhPa2, 21 juin 2012 - 09:39 .

[reioni]

OhPa2 wrote...

xxHiDa SuFixx wrote...

OhPa2 wrote...

It's plain as day. Some active members of our community are being flat out excluded from having a chance to complete all of the weekend event goals.

Leave out a chance for an N7? Whatever... if someone thinks that makes Bioware customers happier.

Divide the community? Create more ill will? What are they thinking in Edmonton?

"flat out excluded"??

Like Bioware is taking away their ability to buy any more packs?

Oh ... ya ... that's right ... they aren't being "flat out excluded" ... 


How about instead of N7 challenges where some people may not be able to get the Commendation Pack ... how about if Bioware just handed out Commendation Packs every Tuesday to anyone and everyone in the spirit of being fair?

Why should anyone who bought the game have to buy packs to participate in a community event or be excluded if they don't or can't?

How many packs should they have to buy?

You can still participate in the community event without having a Korgan/Vorcha/Batarian.  You can work on the Victory Pack goals.  The Commendation Pack goals are supposed to be a little harder.

[OhPa2]

reioni wrote...

OhPa2 wrote...

xxHiDa SuFixx wrote...

OhPa2 wrote...

It's plain as day. Some active members of our community are being flat out excluded from having a chance to complete all of the weekend event goals.

Leave out a chance for an N7? Whatever... if someone thinks that makes Bioware customers happier.

Divide the community? Create more ill will? What are they thinking in Edmonton?

"flat out excluded"??

Like Bioware is taking away their ability to buy any more packs?

Oh ... ya ... that's right ... they aren't being "flat out excluded" ... 


How about instead of N7 challenges where some people may not be able to get the Commendation Pack ... how about if Bioware just handed out Commendation Packs every Tuesday to anyone and everyone in the spirit of being fair?

Why should anyone who bought the game have to buy packs to participate in a community event or be excluded if they don't or can't?

How many packs should they have to buy?

You can still participate in the community event without having a Korgan/Vorcha/Batarian.  You can work on the Victory Pack goals.  The Commendation Pack goals are supposed to be a little harder.

I read another thread earlier, quoting a tweet by CP, that you had to play as one of the Savages to qualify for either goal.  If that has been amended for the VicPac it would be a considerate gesture on Bioware's part imo.

[MattyBoy714]

reioni wrote...
The Commendation Pack goals are supposed to be a little harder.

Harder skill-wise or luck-wise?

[Snoopy1955]

MattyBoy714 wrote...

reioni wrote...
The Commendation Pack goals are supposed to be a little harder.

Harder skill-wise or luck-wise?

Two events ago we had an event similar to this. You needed to complete a round with 3 of the new characters in it after the new characters had just come out. It really doesn't excuse this event being so closed out to people, but it isn't the first time that it has come down more to luck than skill.

[CmnDwnWrkn]

Let's not pretend all challenges until now have been entirely skill-based. Maybe based on someone's skill. But you had novices playing Gold, who could barely play Bronze, relying on good players to carry them and get them through the challenge. Anybody who participated in these challenges that wasn't a Gold-caliber player didn't earn an N7 weapon based on personal skill. They got it because they were lucky enough to find a Gold player who was willing to carry them.

[ShadowRanger88]

OhPa2 wrote...

Why should anyone who bought the game have to buy packs - hoping they get the right items - to participate in a community event or be excluded if they don't or can't?

How many packs should they have to buy?

You have to remember the promotional events were never an intended part of the game, just a bonus. People who bought the game were never promised events like these, therefore aren't entitled to them. We were promised multiplayer, we got it. Anything extra is just customer service on bioware's part.

MattyBoy714 wrote...

reioni wrote...
The Commendation Pack goals are supposed to be a little harder.

Harder skill-wise or luck-wise?

 

Harder everything-wise. Doesn't matter as long as it's harder. Otherwise they might as well not have events and just hand packs out every week or two so it's fair

xxHiDa SuFixx wrote...

How about instead of N7 challenges where some people may not be able to get the Commendation Pack ... how about if Bioware just handed out Commendation Packs every Tuesday to anyone and everyone in the spirit of being fair?

 

[xxHiDa SuFixx]

OhPa2 wrote...

xxHiDa SuFixx wrote...

OhPa2 wrote...

It's plain as day. Some active members of our community are being flat out excluded from having a chance to complete all of the weekend event goals.

Leave out a chance for an N7? Whatever... if someone thinks that makes Bioware customers happier.

Divide the community? Create more ill will? What are they thinking in Edmonton?

"flat out excluded"??

Like Bioware is taking away their ability to buy any more packs?

Oh ... ya ... that's right ... they aren't being "flat out excluded" ... 


How about instead of N7 challenges where some people may not be able to get the Commendation Pack ... how about if Bioware just handed out Commendation Packs every Tuesday to anyone and everyone in the spirit of being fair?

Why should anyone who bought the game have to buy packs - hoping they get the right items - to participate in a community event or be excluded if they don't or can't?

How many packs should they have to buy?

I'm sorry let me clarify ... you don't need to spend cash money to buy packs.  I haven't spent a dime other than MSRP for the purchase of this game.  You can go earn credits and buy packs with those.
Thus ... no one is being excluded from this challenge.  It may be harder for some to participate ... but so were the gold extractions.  During the gold extraction weekends I saw many people post that they would simply not be getting a ComPack that weekend.  How do you think those players felt?  Excluded?  All they had to do was either leech or practice and get their skills up and ready for gold.

Well same thing here ... no one is excluded.  Everyone has the chance to participate.  Buy packs (with either cash or credits).  A community event does not mean that everyone in the community should get a reward for the event.  They set the terms, everyone has a chance, some will succeed and other's will not, everyone had 3-4 days to prepare plus the 2.5 days for the event. 

[reioni]

MattyBoy714 wrote...

reioni wrote...
The Commendation Pack goals are supposed to be a little harder.

Harder skill-wise or luck-wise?

Judging by the different goals we've had I'd have to say both.  We had another one where 1 person had to be playing the new Rebellion Characters.  So I'd say there's a bit of luck to it because u have no guarantee to get in to a PUG group where someone has it unlocked.  And I have yet to meet anyone who is a slightly higher rank who doesnt have at least 1 of those races unlocked.  Technicly you should be a slightly higher rank (and have gear/experience/better weapons) to do golds when we get those as our goals.  Have I seen or carried ppl who are only level N7 level 10 in a gold for one the the challenges?  Yes I have but mostly because we had a good team and they were good players.  But this isnt always the case.

OhPa2 wrote...
I read another thread earlier, quoting a tweet by CP, that you had to play as one of the Savages to qualify for either goal. If that has been amended for the VicPac it would be a considerate gesture on Bioware's part imo.

Well there were a few weeks were I didnt have the time to do the goals for the Commendation Packs but still received a Victory Pack for the Allied Goal Completion.  Allied goal states "Allied Goal: Eliminate 7,000,000 trooper-level enemies: Cerberus Assault Trooper, Husks, Cannibals, Geth Troopers" and that "Allied Goal Success: All players awarded a Victory Pack".  It says "all players awarded.."  Victory Pack and Comm Pack goals are 2 different things.

With the last event they changed it so that Players now receive a promotional weapon in a Victory Pack, too.  This was after the community failing the allied goal of killing banshees.  No one bothered with them because you used to only get poo in them.  I think they're pretty nice now and a good reason to be sure to play even if you dont have a Krogan/Vorcha/Batarian.

EDIT:  I'm not saying there arent ppl out there with terrible luck.  I have yet to unlock a Geth Engineer on my Xbox account and I have all the Appearances for Everything up to Rebellion and Most of them for the Rebellion Unlock.  There just seems to be some ppl who have worse luck then others.  I feel for you I do.  But come on most of the ppl complaing are ppl who havent put time in to the game and want the pack handed to them for nothing.  Like i said, 1 week in on the PC account and I already have several gold unlocks from buying only Vete and Recruit Packs including a krogan.

Modifié par reioni, 21 juin 2012 - 10:18 .