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[sparkyo42]

Given Blueeprotoss's comments on other threads, he /she has shown in other threads that his view is "unique" look at his posts in the EA stock thread, apparently its EA's support of Biowares LGBT that hurt their stock value.

He has his own view and everyone else is wrong.

[Blueprotoss]

BrotherWarth wrote...

No. You're wrong.

http://fronttowardsg...ck-info-leaked/

Now shut up.

Yet the Rebellion leak happened with Sony Hong Kong before the reddit user while insulting someone and trying to create a measuring contest isn't going to work.

[Nefla]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you're acying as if the majority hated the ending, which the opposite is the truth.

Oh? How many people do you know in real life who like the ending of ME3? You obviously don't understand how population sampling works. Take a large group of random unrelated people and poll them on something "does this movie look good?" "do you eat vegetables every day?" The result will be generally indicative of the greater population. The online polls, youtube videos, facebook comments, etc...about how much the ending of ME3 sucks are a more than large enough group of people to get an idea of the majority opinion. (oh and out of the 6 people I know IRL who have beaten ME3, 5 hated the ending and 1 wasn't a ME fan and doesn't care either way)

Also saying that if people aren't posting about how bad the ending of ME3 is, that must mean they love it is just stupid. For every complaint a product recieves, there are 10 more people who are also dissatisfied but simply move on and don't buy that companies products/services anymore. I think the service at my local sushi restaurant is HORRIBLE but instead of complaining to them, I just never went there again. I don't care enough about the restaurant to want them to improve so I can go there again. I care about BioWare enough to want them to go back to making the great games I loved and make me want to buy their products again.

[Blueprotoss]

sparkyo42 wrote...

Given Blueeprotoss's comments on other threads, he /she has shown in other threads that his view is "unique" look at his posts in the EA stock thread, apparently its EA's support of Biowares LGBT that hurt their stock value.

He has his own view and everyone else is wrong.

It seems like you don't have an interest in the Worlds of Business and Politics because a minor thing like LGBT support in the US can cause a lot of damage.  It also sounds like you aren't interested in facts just like how most of the Gaming Companies are hurting based on a World Economy with lots of 1st World countries in Recessions.

[AlanC9]

sparkyo42 wrote...

Given Blueeprotoss's comments on other threads, he /she has shown in other threads that his view is "unique" look at his posts in the EA stock thread, apparently its EA's support of Biowares LGBT that hurt their stock value.

Wow. Even by BSN standards that idea was nuts.

[sparkyo42]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Given Blueeprotoss's comments on other threads, he /she has shown in other threads that his view is "unique" look at his posts in the EA stock thread, apparently its EA's support of Biowares LGBT that hurt their stock value.

He has his own view and everyone else is wrong.

It seems like you don't have an interest in the Worlds of Business and Politics because a minor thing like LGBT support in the US can cause a lot of damage.  It also sounds like you aren't interested in facts just like how most of the Gaming Companies are hurting based on a World Economy with lots of 1st World countries in Recessions.

Well in terms of the US you're right I'm in Ireland where we don't have as much knee jerk nonsense (crap, BS, insert your own choice of word), sure the economies in the first world are hurting but EA have been on a slide for sometime and other gaming companies aren't, my point is that linking just this one issue as to why stock may be losing value is telling about you.

[AlanC9]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Why are you capitalizing everything?

A lot of people have Somehow got the Idea that Capitalization is the way you Emphasize something.

The short answer is that they're incompetent writers, but that doesn't explain why they've All come up with The Same Bad Idea at Once.

[DeinonSlayer]

Nefla wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you're acying as if the majority hated the ending, which the opposite is the truth.

Oh? How many people do you know in real life who like the ending of ME3? You obviously don't understand how population sampling works. Take a large group of random unrelated people and poll them on something "does this movie look good?" "do you eat vegetables every day?" The result will be generally indicative of the greater population. The online polls, youtube videos, facebook comments, etc...about how much the ending of ME3 sucks are a more than large enough group of people to get an idea of the majority opinion. (oh and out of the 6 people I know IRL who have beaten ME3, 5 hated the ending and 1 wasn't a ME fan and doesn't care either way)

Also saying that if people aren't posting about how bad the ending of ME3 is, that must mean they love it is just stupid. For every complaint a product recieves, there are 10 more people who are also dissatisfied but simply move on and don't buy that companies products/services anymore. I think the service at my local sushi restaurant is HORRIBLE but instead of complaining to them, I just never went there again. I don't care enough about the restaurant to want them to improve so I can go there again. I care about BioWare enough to want them to go back to making the great games I loved and make me want to buy their products again.

This. I love it when pro-enders pull out the figures on how many copies of the game were shipped (not sold) compared to the BSN poll we all know about, and pretend that it means everyone who isn't voicing their complaints loved it.

[Nefla]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

Nefla wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet you're acying as if the majority hated the ending, which the opposite is the truth.

Oh? How many people do you know in real life who like the ending of ME3? You obviously don't understand how population sampling works. Take a large group of random unrelated people and poll them on something "does this movie look good?" "do you eat vegetables every day?" The result will be generally indicative of the greater population. The online polls, youtube videos, facebook comments, etc...about how much the ending of ME3 sucks are a more than large enough group of people to get an idea of the majority opinion. (oh and out of the 6 people I know IRL who have beaten ME3, 5 hated the ending and 1 wasn't a ME fan and doesn't care either way)

Also saying that if people aren't posting about how bad the ending of ME3 is, that must mean they love it is just stupid. For every complaint a product recieves, there are 10 more people who are also dissatisfied but simply move on and don't buy that companies products/services anymore. I think the service at my local sushi restaurant is HORRIBLE but instead of complaining to them, I just never went there again. I don't care enough about the restaurant to want them to improve so I can go there again. I care about BioWare enough to want them to go back to making the great games I loved and make me want to buy their products again.

This. I love it when pro-enders pull out the figures on how many copies of the game were shipped (not sold) compared to the BSN poll we all know about, and pretend that it means everyone who isn't voicing their complaints loved it.

Indeed, also using sales numbers as an indication that people like the game. People buy the game first THEN decide if they like it. I bought the game. I do NOT like it.

[Blueprotoss]

Nefla wrote...

Oh? How many people do you know in real life who like the ending of ME3? You obviously don't understand how population sampling works. Take a large group of random unrelated people and poll them on something "does this movie look good?" "do you eat vegetables every day?" The result will be generally indicative of the greater population. The online polls, youtube videos, facebook comments, etc...about how much the ending of ME3 sucks are a more than large enough group of people to get an idea of the majority opinion. (oh and out of the 6 people I know IRL who have beaten ME3, 5 hated the ending and 1 wasn't a ME fan and doesn't care either way)

 25 to 30 through XBL liked or loved the ending while its useless to call out platform specifics or loyalties.  I do understand how population works based on how 50,000 isn't the the majority of 2 milion, which is the basis of the ME3 players because 2 million people bought a copy and 50,000 people make up of the majority of "dsilikers" with RetakeME3.  Yet you forget that just because your friends didn't enjoy it then my friends wouldn't enjoy it and vice versa, but you do need to realize that the majority are made up by people that liked the ending.  If the "fans" that really hated ME3's ending won't cause anything even if they're playing MP and boycotting is just as useless as complaining.

Nefla wrote... 

Also saying that if people aren't posting about how bad the ending of ME3 is, that must mean they love it is just stupid. For every complaint a product recieves, there are 10 more people who are also dissatisfied but simply move on and don't buy that companies products/services anymore. I think the service at my local sushi restaurant is HORRIBLE but instead of complaining to them, I just never went there again. I don't care enough about the restaurant to want them to improve so I can go there again. I care about BioWare enough to want them to go back to making the great games I loved and make me want to buy their products again.

Yet you're using a straw-mann and a red herring based on how most people that feel a need to complain will vent on the Internet while the vocal venting of the minority is just hurting the basis of Gaming and general Foreign policy of North American countries  If you guys really hated ME3's ending then you wouldn't be on this site or trying to play the MP.

Nefla wrote...

Indeed, also using sales numbers as an indication that people like the game. People buy the game first THEN decide if they like it. I bought the game. I do NOT like it.

Sales are pretty accurate based on hopw those are new game sales while I'm sure that a good amount of people have been buying it used just like ME1 and ME2.  Haters gonna hate especially when its based on ignroance. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 22 juin 2012 - 01:57 .

[Blueprotoss]

sparkyo42 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

It seems like you don't have an interest in the Worlds of Business and Politics because a minor thing like LGBT support in the US can cause a lot of damage.  It also sounds like you aren't interested in facts just like how most of the Gaming Companies are hurting based on a World Economy with lots of 1st World countries in Recessions.

Well in terms of the US you're right I'm in Ireland where we don't have as much knee jerk nonsense (crap, BS, insert your own choice of word), sure the economies in the first world are hurting but EA have been on a slide for sometime and other gaming companies aren't, my point is that linking just this one issue as to why stock may be losing value is telling about you.

I wish it wasn't like that in the US, but it does happen especially when thats one of the factors currently with JC Penny's with Ellen Degeneres as a spokeswoman and Target by selling pride shirts.  Its a factor alright while you shouldn't forget about the World Economy thing and how the Gaming Indsutry as whole didn't do that well this year.

[Nefla]

The denial is strong with this one!

[Blueprotoss]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

This. I love it when pro-enders pull out the figures on how many copies of the game were shipped (not sold) compared to the BSN poll we all know about, and pretend that it means everyone who isn't voicing their complaints loved it.

All I see is hypocrisy based on how most of the people on your side actually abuse the figures escpeially whith the offical Bioware polls.  The one who hasn't sin can throw the 1st stone.

Nefla wrote...

The denial is strong with this one!

Insulting people won't help you especially when you're looking for an arguement.   Again  the one who hasn't sin can throw the 1st stone.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 22 juin 2012 - 01:53 .

[Flashing Steel]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Nefla wrote...

Oh? How many people do you know in real life who like the ending of ME3? You obviously don't understand how population sampling works. Take a large group of random unrelated people and poll them on something "does this movie look good?" "do you eat vegetables every day?" The result will be generally indicative of the greater population. The online polls, youtube videos, facebook comments, etc...about how much the ending of ME3 sucks are a more than large enough group of people to get an idea of the majority opinion. (oh and out of the 6 people I know IRL who have beaten ME3, 5 hated the ending and 1 wasn't a ME fan and doesn't care either way)

 25 to 30 through XBL liked or loved the ending while its useless to call out platform specifics or loyalties.  I do understand how population works based on how 50,000 isn't the the majority of 2 milion, which is the basis of the ME3 players because 2 million people bought a copy and 50,000 people make up of the majority of "dsilikers" with RetakeME3.  Yet you forget that just because your friends didn't enjoy it then my friends wouldn't enjoy it and vice versa, but you do need to realize that the majority are made up by people that liked the ending.  If the "fans" that really hated ME3's ending won't cause anything even if they're playing MP and boycotting is just as useless as complaining.

Nefla wrote... 

Also saying that if people aren't posting about how bad the ending of ME3 is, that must mean they love it is just stupid. For every complaint a product recieves, there are 10 more people who are also dissatisfied but simply move on and don't buy that companies products/services anymore. I think the service at my local sushi restaurant is HORRIBLE but instead of complaining to them, I just never went there again. I don't care enough about the restaurant to want them to improve so I can go there again. I care about BioWare enough to want them to go back to making the great games I loved and make me want to buy their products again.

Yet you're using a straw-mann and a red herring based on how most people that feel a need to complain will vent on the Internet while the vocal venting of the minority is just hurting the basis of Gaming and general Foreign policy of North American countries  If you guys really hated ME3's ending then you wouldn't be on this site or trying to play the MP.

Its blatantly obvious you are trolling now

[Blueprotoss]

Flashing Steel wrote...

Its blatantly obvious you are trolling now

You should learn the definition of "trolling" especially when you're the one doing it.

[sparkyo42]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

It seems like you don't have an interest in the Worlds of Business and Politics because a minor thing like LGBT support in the US can cause a lot of damage.  It also sounds like you aren't interested in facts just like how most of the Gaming Companies are hurting based on a World Economy with lots of 1st World countries in Recessions.

Well in terms of the US you're right I'm in Ireland where we don't have as much knee jerk nonsense (crap, BS, insert your own choice of word), sure the economies in the first world are hurting but EA have been on a slide for sometime and other gaming companies aren't, my point is that linking just this one issue as to why stock may be losing value is telling about you.

I wish it wasn't like that in the US, but it does happen especially when thats one of the factors currently with JC Penny's with Ellen Degeneres as a spokeswoman and Target by selling pride shirts.  Its a factor alright while you shouldn't forget about the World Economy thing and how the Gaming Indsutry as whole didn't do that well this year.

Again Im in Ireland, you might have heard about the economic situation here? I'm not discounting the global situation or the Gaming situation, I'm just saying linking LGBT to the reason why ME3 could have caused a hit to EA's stock is wrong. BBC had full articles about how Bioware caved to Fanrage about the ending, and views on it. You don't think that might have played a role?

I agree that polls can't tell the whole picture but Origin/whatever on the consoles, tell them when we log on, how long we play, and what we do, if that data supported your view about the majority being in favour don't you think that the mods would have that stickied on the top of each page and refer everyone to it?

Modifié par sparkyo42, 22 juin 2012 - 01:59 .

[Flashing Steel]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Flashing Steel wrote...

Its blatantly obvious you are trolling now

You should learn the definition of "trolling" especially when you're the one doing it.

stop using insults instead of making actual points

[Blueprotoss]

sparkyo42 wrote...

Again Im in Ireland, you might have heard about the economic situation here? I'm not discounting the global situation or the Gaming situation, I'm just saying linking LGBT to the reason why ME3 could have caused a hit to EA's stock is wrong. BBC had full articles about how Bioware caved to Fanrage about the ending, and views on it. You don't think that might have played a roll?

I know about Ireland while you're still better off then France and Greece.  There's no reason to discount the World Economy based on how most companies including Game companies are tied into the global situation.  Bioware didn't cave to fanrage especially when the ending would have been remade and its ironic that the BBC continues to make mistakes.

sparkyo42 wrote...

I agree that polls can't tell the whole picture but Origin/whatever on the consoles, tell them when we log on, how long we play, and what we do, if that data supported your view about the majority being in favour don't you think that the mods would have that stickied on the top of each page and refer everyone to it?

Origin isn't that accurate either based on how the a small amount rage will damage a poll especially when people decide to lie, which I'm sure some "fans" did.  The majority will always be mute and the minority will be vocal while there are different situations while ME3 falls under the normal. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 22 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[Nefla]

Flashing Steel wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Flashing Steel wrote...

Its blatantly obvious you are trolling now

You should learn the definition of "trolling" especially when you're the one doing it.

stop using insults instead of making actual points

But he has no points. He just decides that his opinion is "fact." Show him proof to the contrary and it's a "red herring."

[Flashing Steel]

Nefla wrote...

Flashing Steel wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Flashing Steel wrote...

Its blatantly obvious you are trolling now

You should learn the definition of "trolling" especially when you're the one doing it.

stop using insults instead of making actual points

But he has no points. He just decides that his opinion is "fact." Show him proof to the contrary and it's a "red herring."

Nah i worked it out on the last page, anyone who makes a good and valid point is actually insulting him. The page is pretty much full of people making fair/good points and him whining 'stop insulting me' lol

[Blueprotoss]

Nefla wrote...

But he has no points. He just decides that his opinion is "fact." Show him proof to the contrary and it's a "red herring."

I love the irony here based on how I'm not using my personal beliefs while you are abusing your personal beliefs, which would make you into a hypocrite.

[sparkyo42]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

Again Im in Ireland, you might have heard about the economic situation here? I'm not discounting the global situation or the Gaming situation, I'm just saying linking LGBT to the reason why ME3 could have caused a hit to EA's stock is wrong. BBC had full articles about how Bioware caved to Fanrage about the ending, and views on it. You don't think that might have played a roll?

I know about Ireland while you're still better off then France and Greece.  There's no reason to discount the World Economy based on how most companies including Game companies are tied into the global situation.  Bioware didn't cave to fanrage especially when the ending would have been remade and its ironic that the BBC continues to make mistakes.

Greece yes France no, hint 2 are in bailouts. And the 1 isn't Ireland.

My point is that Bioware has long supported LGBT in it's games and that there should be a to link any recent stock problems is nonsense. The city of London would at least of heard the BBC's view of it. Before we get the thread locked I'll just say that perception wise the EC isn't seen as "planned" but a CYA exercise.

As to Origin my point is that it will give Bioware the facts. Not slanted in anyway as the user can't make it do anything, it will report the data to Bioware for them to interreupt. I don't see how that can be debated.

My point and it is my point is that if that data suported your arguement that it was a small minority don't you think that Bioware would have that in the public domain?

Modifié par sparkyo42, 22 juin 2012 - 02:14 .

[Blueprotoss]

sparkyo42 wrote...

Greece yes France no, hint 2 are in bailouts. And the 1 isn't Ireland.

My point is that Bioware has long supported LGBT in it's games and that there should be a to link any recent stock problems is nonsense. The city of London would at least of heard the BBC's view of it. Before we get the thread locked I'll just say that perception wise the EC isn't seen as "planned" but a CYA exercise.

As to Origin my point is that it will give Bioware the facts. Not slanted in anyway as the user can't make it do anything, it will report the data to Bioware for them to interreupt. I don't see how that can be debated.

My point and it is my point is that if that data suported your arguement that it was a small minority don't you think that Bioware would have that in the public domain?

Ireland is having problems while you're better off then Greece in general and France in the long run.

Bioware has showed a lot of support, but Bioware wasn't know to the media until the whole "hardcore sex" from Fox News with ME1.  The CE was planned while we probably won't know how much, but I guess at this point we should agree to disagree.

The feedback from Origin isn't that reliable especially when a good amount of them aren't constructive or truthful.

Contraversies will always cause problems whether its a small one with ME3's ending or illegal wars as abig contraversy.  Pretty much Bioware saw an opportunity to break some ground by giving a false victory to a  group of people.