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[kenshindono]

Is it just me or is Morrigan much tamer than it initially seems. From
all the preview videos and her dress/actions, i had assumed morrigan
was the 'loose' character in this game. Granted this playthrough im
actually not shooting for a romance at all, but i usually saved and
tried some varying branches with her and it seems that Leliana an Zev
are way looser than her. Hell you can get them to jump into a 3some
with the pirate chick from youtube vids ive seen.

meanwhile
when i actually got rolling with morrigan from a different save she
actually only had sex once then refused to do it again and acted all defensive and awkward. Plus getting her to even get romantic required going past the
grimora part of her quest. Even with 100% approval you get no sex/romance options at all before that it seems.

whereas Zev was hitting on me from the very fist conversation i had with him o_O Hes definatly this games '****' id say. Liliana im not too sure about. She really hates me so i havent messed with her this playthrough, even with alternate saves. But she seems like a straight laced nun. 

What event am i missing where she winds up in a friggin 4-som o_O

So am i just missing something since i wasn't activly pursuing her the whole game and only messing with an alternate save (she was at 100% btw) or is she really as sexually reserved as ive seen. She even comments on being with a lot of different men, but you get one go and thats it.

Modifié par kenshindono, 13 décembre 2009 - 09:24 .

[Viglin]

kenshindono wrote...

Is it just me or is Morrigan much tamer than it initially seems. From
all the preview videos and her dress/actions, i had assumed morrigan
was the 'loose' character in this game. Granted this playthrough im
actually not shooting for a romance at all, but i usually saved and
tried some varying branches with her and it seems that Leliana an Zev
are way looser than her. Hell you can get them to jump into a 3some
with the pirate chick from youtube vids ive seen.

meanwhile
when i actually got rolling with morrigan from a different save she
actually only had sex once then refused to do it again and acted all defensive and awkward. Plus getting her to even get romantic required going past the
grimora part of her quest. Even with 100% approval you get no sex/romance options at all before that it seems.

whereas Zev was hitting on me from the very fist conversation i had with him o_O Hes definatly this games '****' id say. Liliana im not too sure about. She really hates me so i havent messed with her this playthrough, even with alternate saves. But she seems like a straight laced nun. 

What event am i missing where she winds up in a friggin 4-som o_O

So am i just missing something since i wasn't activly pursuing her the whole game and only messing with an alternate save (she was at 100% btw) or is she really as sexually reserved as ive seen. She even comments on being with a lot of different men, but you get one go and thats it.

*Rubs temples*

Morrigan=Needs you and uses you[thus the quick invite to bed]...but in a sense, if you treat her right...actually does love you in the end...and it is kinda touching

Lelina=While she maybe the longest to get to romance, if you make her miss her old life...well lets say, she loosens up

Zeveran=Typical surfer guy

[MrBigA]

Morrigan won't sleep with you if she is in love with you. Lelianna is the only one that will join a 4-some - you're not missing anything, it's only implied and there aren't cutscenes. I think you have to pass Lelianna's personal quest to harden her for the 4-some (you also may need maxed persuade).

[DarkSpiral]

No, Morrigan isn't supposed to be loose. I'm guessing this was your first playthrough?



If Lelianan hates your guts, yeah you're missing out on the vast majority of her background. Just like you do with pretty much everybody in the party if they don't trust you.



One of the things about the game i love is that the party members, whether I liked the characters personally or not, are complicated. Morrigan thinks she is casual about sex, but loose isn't the right term. She has emotional issues, and DA doesn't necessarily cater to the player's fantasies. Morrigan has an agenda. And loving you isn't on it, so if she DOES fall for your character, she gets flustered, and she reacts by being defensive and awkward, as you said. Best advice I can give you is to actually play the game through and she what results from your actions thus far.



Zevran is basically loose, yeah. He gets it wherever her can. Leliana is definetly NOT loose. While you can run across the concept of "hardening" her (and Alistair for that matter) on the boards, the term I'd use is a "romantic." She thinks in terms of domesticity and long term relationships, if she thinks about them at all. So, if you want a relationship with Leliana, the first "event" you need to try is giving her gifts to raise her approval.



Oh, and juts a little spoiler. You can't have both of the girls. Neither of them are in to sharing you. Especially Morrigan.

[Nowaysis]

While I might not call Leliana loose, in the sense that she'll get it on with anyone just for the sake of getting it on, she's hardly difficult to charm. Much like Alistair, she seems to respond very strongly to simple affirmation of her person and very basic signs of affection or caring.

On my first playthrough, I went for Alistair first simply because he joins the party first, so you naturally get into his story more easily. All the while I tried my darndest to get decent approval with all the characters I used (Leilana, Morrigan and Wynne), and when Alistair dumped me after the landsmeet (I played a city elf, so marriage was never even in the cards), it didn't take a lot of trying to get Leliana to be my rebound girl. She even ended up my one true love or something, and we travelled the world together before I returned to the Grey Wardens.

DarkSpiral wrote...


Morrigan thinks she is casual about sex, but loose isn't the right term. She has emotional issues, and DA doesn't necessarily cater to the player's fantasies. Morrigan has an agenda. And loving you isn't on it, so if she DOES fall for your character, she gets flustered, and she reacts by being defensive and awkward, as you said. Best advice I can give you is to actually play the game through and she what results from your actions thus far.

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Oh, and juts a little spoiler. You can't have both of the girls. Neither of them are in to sharing you. Especially Morrigan.

I think the reason she believes she's casual, is probably that all those men she's been with have been casual about it. And even including her mother (if Flemeth is indeed her natural mother), she seems to never have known true emotional intimacy and compassion. So I think her awkwardness isn't just about the fact that falling for the grey warden isn't part of the plan. Regardless of how many men she's seduced in the past (and we know from her story about the trade caravan(?) that she knows how to bend men to her will), no one has ever been nice to her simply for the sake of building a friendship, let alone a romantic relationship. So yeah, I'd say she has issues.

Yeah, Morrigan's crazy jealous. I made the girl in Redcliffe who's lost her little brother give me a kiss as a reward, and Morrigan instantly went "Eugh!". I might even have lost some approval with her. :innocent:

[MrBigA]

Nowaysis wrote...

Yeah, Morrigan's crazy jealous. I made the girl in Redcliffe who's lost her little brother give me a kiss as a reward, and Morrigan instantly went "Eugh!". I might even have lost some approval with her. :innocent:

That part is funny.  I love the reaction from the little brother, he seems so ashamed

[Nowaysis]

Weird thing is that I did the same with the barmaid in Redcliffe, and Morrigan didn't even blink. O.o

[Herr Uhl]

Nowaysis wrote...

Weird thing is that I did the same with the barmaid in Redcliffe, and Morrigan didn't even blink. O.o

Well, she promised to kiss everyone in town, so it wasn't as personal.

And I personally think that the girl in the chantry is not yet legal either :innocent:.

[urvshabon24]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Nowaysis wrote...

Weird thing is that I did the same with the barmaid in Redcliffe, and Morrigan didn't even blink. O.o

Well, she promised to kiss everyone in town, so it wasn't as personal.

And I personally think that the girl in the chantry is not yet legal either :innocent:.

All the better!

[Cybercat999]

Oh, and juts a little spoiler. You can't have both of the girls. Neither of them are in to sharing you. Especially Morrigan.

You cant have both of *anyone*. I spent about 2 days trying to get multiple romances with Zev, Leli and Alistair and no way in hell. They all start whining and forcing you to choose one of them.

Leliana and Alistair are easy (cant say about Morrigan because I dont play male toons but I get her at 100 friendly nps), Zevran is actually tougher to get to 100, however easy he is to get in bed tho. I dont want to jump "in tent" every night to get approval this time, I prefer to let him ask for whatever he wants...... but with all the gifts and talking my head off I only got him to 70 something so far. He doesnt seem to care much about what decisions I make either.
Is there some other way to get his approval but sex every 2 minutes? I am out of conversation options >.>

[soteria]

Oh, and juts a little spoiler. You can't have both of the girls. Neither of them are in to sharing you. Especially Morrigan.

The conversation she has with Leliana about "sharing things" was pretty funny.

[Fishy]

What's wrong with not wanting to share?I don't see myself telling my wife

-Hey i'm going to visit your sister and screw her.Are you okay with that?



leliana will get on a 3 - some but you have to flirt with Zevran and bring Zevran with you to see the pirate girl(You need to romance Leliana but don,t bring her with you) ..Than you have to drop Leliana for Zevran .. and later ask her for a three'some when you hardened her..Because you can't romance both Zevran or any character at the same time and seriously it's just normal .. Unless you have some emotional problem or you're a teenager that fall in love after 10 minutes.



Personnaly having a tree some with Leliana seem to be out of character.Because she seem to be the kind to take relationship and love very seriously .

[Ambaryerno]

"I think the reason she believes she's casual, is probably that all those men she's been with have been casual about it. And even including her mother (if Flemeth is indeed her natural mother), she seems to never have known true emotional intimacy and compassion. So I think her awkwardness isn't just about the fact that falling for the grey warden isn't part of the plan. Regardless of how many men she's seduced in the past (and we know from her story about the trade caravan(?) that she knows how to bend men to her will), no one has ever been nice to her simply for the sake of building a friendship, let alone a romantic relationship. So yeah, I'd say she has issues."



Quote for truth. I still haven't finished the game (no time to just sit to play through, and I'm working on my mod, anyway) and this run I'm using my female character, but even then it's clear that Morrigan has issues. The two moments that sum it up best is when Leliana calls her lonely and Morrigan is for once left without a comeback, and after giving her the mirror when you tell her you expect nothing in return and she's completely confused by that concept. Claudia Black plays that role BEAUTIFULLY (check her out as Aeryn Sun in FarScape. She has many of the same intimacy/emotional issues as Morrigan).

[kenshindono]

ya this is my first playthrough, im not done yet

i think you guys misunderstand my question. I get that morrigan stops wanting to have sex with you when she falls in love with you, shes not used to feeling like that and the emotions are too much. Hell she pretty much says so with her awkward converstaions when you question her on her reaction

the thing is all her actions and dress scream loose

what i dont get is people saying they got to bed her right outa ostagar and stuff like that. Supposedly shes loose UNTIL she falls in love with you. Well i havent seen any of that. Shes at 100 aproval and i get no romantic options at all untill i find her grimore, then it jumps straight to i love you after 1 conversation/jump in the hay.  Like i said i wasn't trying to bed her, basically i have her aproval at about 100% and so i saved and went to get the grimora. I came back, handed it in and tried several conversation paths. All of them ended with 1 roll in the hay and her then refusing to have sex with me again and acting all confused about being in love. 

im not sure what i am missing. So am i just doing something wrong? Or are people lying about bedding her multiple times, and right after ostagar and all that.

im also pretty confused about liliana.. granted i havent used her so maybe thats why as you guys say. Does she just totally change personality wise if you do this 'hardening' thing?

[Ambaryerno]

I think you're looking at her appearance too much from a 21st century perspective. WE see someone who dresses like that and think "****."Yes, it's a design meant to cater to a particular audience. The developers WANT us to think Morrigan's appearance is sexy, so they play that up in the design.

However if you put your frame of mind into the world you're playing in instead there's something that I'd almost say is more tribal about her manner of dress. And if you consider her background, it starts to make SENSE that this is someone who would adopt a more primal appearance. The Chasnid clothes you can find in the Wilds early in the game have a similar theme, so I see it as her appearance is derived from a more primitive culture that doesn't have the same taboos about exposed skin that Judeo-Christian/Islamic morality has created in our society.

I'm sure that her manner of dress would be equally scandalous among the "civilized" society of Ferelden, but among the "barbarians" of the wilds she's be just another member of the tribe. I doubt Morrigan would be ignorant as to the effect of her wardrobe on
strangers outside the Wilds, but to her such a manner of dress would be perfectly normal and without any direct bearing on her sexuality.

Modifié par Ambaryerno, 13 décembre 2009 - 11:31 .

[kevinwastaken]

Does Morrigan actually do the horizontal bop with Chasind folk?

Duncan frowns on her shenanigans.

[Bomfy]

I didn't think she was intended to be loose. You find out pretty quick that even though she act like she's not a love type of person she is. I found it touching when she would get all flustered once she started to really fall for the PC.

Leliana is crazy, I'm glad after you bedd her one of your replies tells her that's creepy. Her laugh at that is then ten times creepier.

Zev is about as loose as they come. But he's so damn cheesy it's hilarious.

Modifié par Bomfy, 13 décembre 2009 - 11:47 .

[Avaraen]

kenshindono wrote...

im not sure what i am missing. So am i just doing something wrong? Or are people lying about bedding her multiple times, and right after ostagar and all that.

Yes, you're doing something wrong... well, in terms of getting Morrigan in bed early on, that is. There are some dialogue options (male only, of course) that equate to "flirting" and will get her to the "interested" approval level; the one that I can tell you for sure will get her interested and let you bed her at 50+ approval (which, you can get to 60+ before Lothering, if you play your cards right) is to say "You can probe me any time you like" when you ask if she grew up in the Wilds and she complains about you probing her for useless information.

[Hahren]

Morrigan is a lot more complicated than she appears to be.



I never told her that I was in love with her. Why? Well it's a trap for her to end the relationship due to her own fear of intimacy. You can be evasive when she ultimately confronts you. She'll get frustrated that you aren't playing her game, but she won't stop sleeping with you for it. She will stop sleeping with you if you directly tell her your feelings because she's afraid.



Morrigan is interested in power, and survival. She really wants to believe that is all that matters to her, but in reality it isn't. She wants to believe that she can use her sex like a tactical weapon to get what she wants like Flemeth did. Morrigan just isn't as hardened as her mother despite her trying. Morrigan is lonely, vulnerable, and still a bit of the little girl with a stolen mirror.

[seraphymon]

Just for reference it is actually possible to bed and be in love with both leliana and morrigan at the same time. They do confront u, but how when u go about it makes the difference. Once its done they dont seem to confront again. Its also funny how when wynn asks about the relationship u have 2 options lol, one for both cause she can talk about either one.



and yes it is possible to bed morrigan right out of ostagar. her convos if played correctly lead her to interested and unlike most characters, if u pick the right lines u get alot more approval than most oother characters thru dialogue.

[Ambaryerno]

Agreed, Hahren. She may be one of the most interesting characters in the game as a result.



Or maybe it's just me, because I always find damaged, tough on the outside emotionally vulnerable on the inside female characters fascinating (Aeryn Sun on FarScape, Sarah Walker on Chuck).

[JJM152]

Morrigan is a classic tsundere. She needs a little bit more dere-dere however if she makes it into the sequel. (my personal opinion anyway).



Until then, the "slap morrigan" mod is still my favorite

[Cybercat999]

Suprez30 wrote...
Because you can't romance both Zevran or any character at the same time and seriously it's just normal .. Unless you have some emotional problem or you're a teenager that fall in love after 10 minutes.

So if I want to have 3 NPCs drooling all over my character in video game, I have emotional problems?
Just wow.....

[Jestert]

Morrigan is a all bluster. She says she doesn't believe in love, but deep inside she's a hopeless romantic. Perhaps it's because she's so soft inside that she have grown a hard shell to protect it. Leliana on the other hand... is in some way the opposite. Zev is refreshingly just as he appears.

[Damar Stiehl]

Morrigan is quite immature, which is understandable considering her upbringing. Of course, deep emotional attachment gives her the fits. She jumps in the sack with you figuring it's the quickest way to controlling you, then freaks out when she realizes that the bond works both ways.



Of course, realizing that she is just a vessel for Flemeth doesn't help things much, so...



Morrigan is a VERY interesting and well-written character and enjoyable to pursue; but Leiliana is much more of a "long term companion" material.