Eric Fagnan wrote...
.458 wrote...
When looking at TC, I sure hope you look at *which* race is using it. If 80% of the infiltrators on gold are geth, please don't kill the other races with TC. The quarian male for example has team skills...please don't ruin it right when something is doing so well in a team.
Actually the spread is pretty even across all infiltrators.
I wish it was that easy. Granted, one person could quickly go through and change a bunch of numbers, but the testing required is really demanding.Blind2Society wrote...
hippojoe wrote...
riight. this part of mp is quite fun to many people, possibly too fun, at least compared to other parts.
well, it would cost too much to make the rest of the game as fun, so lets just make that part less fun, that's what people want, less fun.....right?
That's pretty much how I took it as well.
And let's examine this "manpower" thing shall we? If all these weekly balance changes are just basically coalesced changes why is it that BioWare doesn't have the man power? It seems to me that one competent person with a coalesced editor could do it in a week, and that's including searching for the relevant values that need to be changed. And if it's simply coming up with the right things to change and how, look at what the Balance all the things thread did in a couple of days.
It just doesn't seem like a legit argument to me. But then again, I'm certainly not an expert.
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
Can't help but think 6-9 month game lifespan after reading this. You're admitting to being at a point where real balance changes would require serious rewrites and what's left is to hobble the only real great ability left in the game to cover numerous deficiencies elsewhere using a form of pseudo-balancing in the interim. Unfortunately I think the writing is on the wall for this portion of the game. It isn't pretty.
BobWalt wrote...
Infiltrators should not be the major damage dealer in a group. An infiltrator's major mission should be flanking and caping objectives. From the messages on the forum a great many play the infiltrator so they can get the highest score and many will only play that because the score is the most important part of the game to them. I think the key to balancing out the teams would be to make the damage bonus evolutions less attractive and the invisibility and non detection more attractive. This could be accomplised by reducing the length in cloak to 6-8 sec for damage dealers and increasing to 18-20 seconds for the sneaky types. Also making detection less likely for the sneaky types and more likely for the damage dealers would help. The second part would be to drasticly increase the damage bonus for for the weapons used by the soldier class and decrease the damage that the more squishy soldier types take.
Eric Fagnan wrote...
Well in my opinion Tactical Cloak is hugely popular (especially on Gold) because it gives you massive damage bonuses AND great utility and survivability. We don't have any other power quite like that. It's a great power and we're glad people like it, but it is way more powerful than probably any other power in the game. We've generally tried to buff other classes and powers but it's clear that we would have to make signficant additional balance changes to huge numbers of abilities (and the enemies to compensate) in order to match Cloak's power, and that is something we just don't have the manpower for.
Modifié par Gust4v, 22 juin 2012 - 06:29 .
Eric Fagnan
I wish it was that easy. Granted, one person could quickly go through and change a bunch of numbers, but the testing required is really demanding.
titusthelegendaryfox wrote...
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
Can't help but think 6-9 month game lifespan after reading this. You're admitting to being at a point where real balance changes would require serious rewrites and what's left is to hobble the only real great ability left in the game to cover numerous deficiencies elsewhere using a form of pseudo-balancing in the interim. Unfortunately I think the writing is on the wall for this portion of the game. It isn't pretty.
Could be because they are busy adressing a whole lot of other things and putting manpower on buffing all other powers just so tactical cloak users can stay in their comfort zone is really excessive. Tactical Cloak is OP. Things that are OP get nerfed.
Dorje Sylas wrote...
Eric Fagnan
I wish it was that easy. Granted, one person could quickly go through and change a bunch of numbers, but the testing required is really demanding.
Maybe it's well past time to actually look at crowd sourcing with a beta client, at minimum on the PC. It's seeming more and more like y'all built yourselves into a mighty tight corner during development. I hope your project leads are taking some serious notes for if you guys ever try another go at an MP branch. This one is getting pretty jugged and your player base can't really take you guys at word anymore that things are working right.
Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 22 juin 2012 - 06:40 .
Eric Fagnan wrote...
I wish it was that easy. Granted, one person could quickly go through and change a bunch of numbers, but the testing required is really demanding.Blind2Society wrote...
hippojoe wrote...
riight. this part of mp is quite fun to many people, possibly too fun, at least compared to other parts.
well, it would cost too much to make the rest of the game as fun, so lets just make that part less fun, that's what people want, less fun.....right?
That's pretty much how I took it as well.
And let's examine this "manpower" thing shall we? If all these weekly balance changes are just basically coalesced changes why is it that BioWare doesn't have the man power? It seems to me that one competent person with a coalesced editor could do it in a week, and that's including searching for the relevant values that need to be changed. And if it's simply coming up with the right things to change and how, look at what the Balance all the things thread did in a couple of days.
It just doesn't seem like a legit argument to me. But then again, I'm certainly not an expert.
Liam wrote...
I think it is somewhat obvious why people use Inf's on Gold. Cloak is essential for both rezzing people that go down (which happens more on gold, obviously) as well as the ubiquitous hack missions, which are best done by a lone Inf with the remaining team pulling away the enemy. To me, that is an example of a decent use of tactics, and not something that should be nerfed to force an artificial even distribution. Why give characters different abilities if they cannot be used to their full advantage?
Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 22 juin 2012 - 06:51 .
darkpassenger2342 wrote...
Dorje Sylas wrote...
Eric Fagnan
I wish it was that easy. Granted, one person could quickly go through and change a bunch of numbers, but the testing required is really demanding.
Maybe it's well past time to actually look at crowd sourcing with a beta client, at minimum on the PC. It's seeming more and more like y'all built yourselves into a mighty tight corner during development. I hope your project leads are taking some serious notes for if you guys ever try another go at an MP branch. This one is getting pretty jugged and your player base can't really take you guys at word anymore that things are working right.
yeah, thatll help, talk to the developers like you are an unhappy mcdonalds customer. they owe you nothing, you already paid for the game. If you dont like it shut off your xbox.
edit : your computer. whatever. no company ever listens to a "consumer" with your attitude.
its called entitlement, btw.
Eric Fagnan wrote...
I wish it was that easy. Granted, one person could quickly go through and change a bunch of numbers, but the testing required is really demanding.
justgimmedudedammit wrote...
darkpassenger2342 wrote...
Dorje Sylas wrote...
Eric Fagnan
I wish it was that easy. Granted, one person could quickly go through and change a bunch of numbers, but the testing required is really demanding.
Maybe it's well past time to actually look at crowd sourcing with a beta client, at minimum on the PC. It's seeming more and more like y'all built yourselves into a mighty tight corner during development. I hope your project leads are taking some serious notes for if you guys ever try another go at an MP branch. This one is getting pretty jugged and your player base can't really take you guys at word anymore that things are working right.
yeah, thatll help, talk to the developers like you are an unhappy mcdonalds customer. they owe you nothing, you already paid for the game. If you dont like it shut off your xbox.
edit : your computer. whatever. no company ever listens to a "consumer" with your attitude.
its called entitlement, btw.
Actually that was a pretty fair post as well as a decent suggestion. They get more people testing while gleaning numbers from feedback as well as firsthand input. I like that.
You don't have to fall on the swords for these guys every time someone has a dour opinion. It's called feedback. Good or bad there is a spot for all of it if presented in a civil manner.
Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 22 juin 2012 - 06:56 .
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
Eric Fagnan wrote...
As a heads up to the community, we are reviewing Tactical Cloak for next week's balance changes.
Can you look at the Krysae instead?? Seriously.
And IF you HAVE to change TC, can it be that it changes the "all" damage to "Weapon" or "Sniper" damage instead and leave it at that? PLEASE??
Modifié par Fisterbear, 22 juin 2012 - 07:13 .
Modifié par dr_random, 22 juin 2012 - 07:36 .
Eric Fagnan wrote...
It's clear that there is more going on than player preference for sniper classes, since Infiltrators are being used 20.43% of the time on Silver, and 15.18% of the time on Bronze.
Modifié par Jernau11, 22 juin 2012 - 07:57 .
did you happen to read the post above yours lol?mybudgee wrote...
PLEASE god don't monkey with Cloak... PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ!
Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 22 juin 2012 - 08:13 .
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