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[Iakus]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]iakus wrote...

That article is post release.  Pre release it was all "Multiplayer is simply an alternate method to raise EMS"  I should know.  I was here.  I doubted it then and was laughed at for my skepticism.

[/quote]Release dates are subjective based on how most countries or areas don't do simultaneous releases on the same day.  Either way everyone was warned and I highly doubt that most people finished ME3 is one day/sitting [/quote]

Look at above quote, dated a month earlier.  That is in direct contradiction to your article dated March 6, which is, I believe the earliest release day (minus space copies, which went out a week earlier)  So what were they warned about?  That the developers were...inaccurate?


[quote]MP is optional just like how the "perfect" ending for an game is optional. [/quote]

Endings are not optional.  If theey were we wouldn't be getting EC

[quote]iakus wrote... 

How hard it is to play matches is irrelevant.  It should never have been a requirement in the first place.  Same fro the apps.  To see all the single player content in ME3, you should only be required to play the single player content.[/quote]That isn't irrelevant even if you pirated ME3.  Btw the apps are just as optional as the MP and "perfect" ending(s) for any game.
[/quote]


Again, endings are not optional.  You don't penalize single player gamees for playing single player games.

Modifié par iakus, 23 juin 2012 - 04:36 .

[Blueprotoss]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Cut the crap. None of your BS alters the fact that this was information released post-release from everyone but Bioware. If Bioware knew it and chose not to say anything, they are untrustworthy. If they didn't know about it, they are incompetent, similar to the affair with DA2's autoattack on consoles. People tend to avoid purchasing products from either faction. There is no "blame" to consider. Bioware can do what they want in advertising. My response to their efforts is entirely up to me. 

Yet you are just doing it to complain just like the lady that split her coffee and din't thinkn it was hot.  It seems like you're also blaming consoles now, which I'm not surprised.

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...


Bioware told us we didn't need multiplayer, several times, prior to release. Therefore, at some point, prior to release, I also expect Bioware to inform me the situation has changed. Got any more of those wonderful links to show?

Multiplayer is optional and they didn't lie to us at all, but you chose not to listen so you can complain.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 23 juin 2012 - 04:53 .

[twinsfun]

we will see but not holding my breath,we worked hard on all 3 games we deserve better ending

[Blueprotoss]

[quote]iakus wrote...


Look at above quote, dated a month earlier.  That is in direct contradiction to your article dated March 6, which is, I believe the earliest release day (minus space copies, which went out a week earlier)  So what were they warned about?  That the developers were...inaccurate?

[/quote]Apparntly ME3 came out on April 6, 2012 since the article came out on a month later, which the article was realesed on March 6, 2012 that was also the launch day of ME3.  

[quote]iakus wrote... 

Endings are not optional.  If theey were we wouldn't be getting EC.

Again, endings are not optional.  You don't penalize single player gamees for playing single player games.[/quote][/quote] Yet you misssed the whole thing on "perfect" endings are optional, which proves you really don't want to hear the facts.

[dekkerd]

http://penny-arcade.com/2012/02/17

You can get best possible outcome in the game by just playing single player if you want, as long as you are willing to do a lot of the side missions and content.

As a result, you can play the game how you want and not be negatively punished if you don’t want to play multiplayer or don’t own any iOS devices.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet you are just doing it to complain just like the lady that split her coffee and din't thinkn it was hot.  

You're doing a fairly bad job of drawing a parallel. There are a number of issues for that particular lady to consider:

1) Has she ever gotten coffee from McDonald's before? If it has been hot in the past (and on multiple occasions), it is likely to be so in the future.

2) Coffee tends to be hot, as a general rule, when purchased from establishments.

3) Agendas. How does McDonald's profit by misleading their customers into believing hot coffee is cold?

4) McDonald's, far as I'm aware, did not say to the woman "this coffee is cold". There was no lie, of omission, or otherwise.

These are all points of distinction which separate the Bioware scenario. Last I checked, Bioware did inform us that we did not require multiplayer to unlock the best endings.

It seems like you're also blaming consoles now, which I'm not surprised.

Then your reading comprehension is terrible, considering I prefer and play exclusively on consoles.

Multiplayer is optional and they didn't lie to us at all, but you chose not to listen so you can complain.

Not if you want the best ending. You might want to reread Mike's post. Several times. I listened more than you did, hence why I'm aware of a lie when it is told.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 23 juin 2012 - 05:03 .

[Blueprotoss]

dekkerd wrote...

http://penny-arcade.com/2012/02/17

You can get best possible outcome in the game by just playing single player if you want, as long as you are willing to do a lot of the side missions and content.

As a result, you can play the game how you want and not be negatively punished if you don’t want to play multiplayer or don’t own any iOS devices.

Yet most articles don't talk about ME : Infiltratior or the other apps like the ME3 Datapad, which they still aren't MP based.

[Blueprotoss]

[quote]BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

You're doing a fairly bad job of drawing a parallel. There are a number of issues for that particular lady to consider:

[/quote]Yet you're saying that you were lied to when you weren't paying attention, which that is a parallel.

1) Has she ever gotten coffee from McDonald's before? If it has been hot in the past (and on multiple occasions), it is likely to be so in the future.

2) Coffee tends to be hot, as a general rule, when purchased from establishments.

3) Agendas. How does McDonald's profit by misleading their customers into believing hot coffee is cold?

4) McDonald's, far as I'm aware, did not say to the woman "this coffee is cold". There was no lie, of omission, or otherwise.

[/quote]Yet this case was from 10-15 years ago and was before the time of coffee shops like Starbucks.

[quote]BaladasDemnevanni wrote... 

These are all points of distinction which separate the Bioware scenario. Last I checked, Bioware did inform us that we did not require multiplayer to unlock the best endings.

[/quote]Yet you're doing a similar defense and thats the main reasons why fast food chains put "Caution!  Hot Coffee!" on their styrafoam and paper cups.

[quote]BaladasDemnevanni wrote... 

Then your reading comprehension is terrible, considering I prefer and play exclusively on consoles.

[/quote]Yet you act if autoattack is a bad thing and its useless to insult people.

[quote]BaladasDemnevanni wrote... 

Not if you want the best ending. You might want to reread Mike's post. Several times. I listened more than you did, hence why I'm aware of a lie when it is told.
[/quote]The "best" ending isn't always the "perfect" ending and "perfect" endings are still optional just like in ME3.

[Zulmoka531]

iakus wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Hey, if my max EMS-destroy-Shep lives, re-unites with everyone and every one can go back to their war ravaged words and some insight to what exactly my actions did to the universe, hell I'll be happy.

Tall order I know, but when you are served a glass half full...

Toss in some "high EMS protects the geth and EDI too" and you have a deal

And 18 hours later after playing a night of drunken St's Row the 3rd...

You sir have a deal. Everything would be glorious...or maybe that's the hang over talking.

[dekkerd]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet most articles don't talk about ME : Infiltratior or the other apps like the ME3 Datapad, which they still aren't MP based.

They're not on the disc either, so not part of the game. We will get a new number on Tuesday regardless. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

Can we move the EMS "discussion" to the EMS thread and focus on the EC here? Thanks.

[S4pphi]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Can we move the EMS "discussion" to the EMS thread and focus on the EC here? Thanks.

Yeah, seriously. Where are the mods?

[dekkerd]

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

Can we move the EMS "discussion" to the EMS thread and focus on the EC here? Thanks.

I tried a page ago. I'm out regardless, point has been made. 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet you're saying that you were lied to when you weren't paying attention, which that is a parallel.

I paid attention, hence why I can point to you where Bioware said that we would not need multiplayer to access the full single-player experience, which has also been done by others. You have yet to produce a counter-point released by Bioware, so as of now you're just kicking sand.

Yet this case was from 10-15 years ago and was before the time of coffee shops like Starbucks.

There were no shops which served hot coffee in 1997?

Yet you're doing a similar defense and thats the main reasons why fast food chains put "Caution!  Hot Coffee!" on their styrafoam and paper cups.

A non-sensical argument since my point is that Bioware's statement contradicted reality. Fast food chains label their coffee "Hot Coffee". Lo and behold, the coffee is hot, just as they said it was. It is the woman's fault because she didn't follow her experiences or read the label...right on top of the coffee. Bioware told us that everything which is possible to obtain in multiplayer can also be obtained only through the single-player. This is not true. I'm not sure why this is so complicated for you.

Yet you act if autoattack is a bad thing and its useless to insult people.

Again, your lack of reading comprehension is not my responsibility. When Dragon Age II launched on consoles, Bioware claimed that there would be an autoattack feature with both versions of the game. This turned out not to be the case, for the console version that they had "forgotten" to include it.  I did not, at any point, claim that the autoattack feature was a bad thing. Do some research before you open your mouth.

The "best" ending isn't always the "perfect" ending and "perfect" endings are still optional just like in ME3.

I love watching you backpedal. But it seems you ignored the part where I told you to reread the statement, so I'll post it for you:

"Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play
all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll
still get all the same endings and same information,"

Last I checked, we don't get all the same endings. A lie.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 23 juin 2012 - 05:47 .

[Abraham_uk]

Chris Priestly wrote...

Is this DLC going to be free?


How much is the Extended Cut?

• The Extended Cut is available to download at no additional charge.
  
  So the answer is no. You have to purchass Mass Effect 3 first before you can experience the extended cut. But you won't have to pay a penny (or cent) extra once you've purchassed the game.
  
  I love the picture. But it lacks Kaidan Alenko, Female Shepard and future unreleased DLC characters such as the Baterian, Vorcha and Volus.

Modifié par Abraham_uk, 23 juin 2012 - 06:01 .

[Iakus]

Zulmoka531 wrote...


And 18 hours later after playing a night of drunken St's Row the 3rd...

You sir have a deal. Everything would be glorious...or maybe that's the hang over talking.

I don't know about glorious, but an ending that's at least happy would make the game replayable, even if the endings are, umm, "artistic"

[xSTONEYx187x]

Terror_K wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Terror_K wrote...

It's pretty damn clear from almost everything they've done in the past two years that they have. Or... at least with regards to a good portion of their long-time customers (some of which are now former customers). Dragon Age 2 and ME3 alone should be proof of that if nothing else. It's all about the mainstream gamer now. BioWare don't want to make proper RPGs any more. Heck... they don't even want players to be able to roleplay at all. They just want to make story-driven, cinematic action games. The amount of RPG features that have been dumbed down or simply removed to facilitate their cinematic storytelling that's oh-so-important now is proof of that.

You can't survive without only focusing the casula or hardcore gamer anymore while the example that showed us with Bioware on that was with ME2, but every game performs that balancing act.  You could easily say that Fallout 3, Oblivion, Kingdom Hearts, and WoW dumbed down things while RPGs are just evolving just like any other genre in video games.

It's not evolving when we're gradually giving up the very factors that make a rolepaying game what it is. RPGs being watered down to become cinematic action games for the sake of pandering to a mainstream audience is not evolution. Not every trend that gets followed is a positive one just because the majority lap it up. This is the same reason we get mindless action movies and "reality" shows more than we get high quality, intelligent entertainment. Saying that what BioWare are doing is a natural evolution and spinning it in a positive light like this would be like like saying it's a good thing to slowly eliminate quantum physics in favour of basic science because far too many common everyday people find it too complex.

No, what BioWare are doing is a devolution of the genre, not an evolution. If anybody is evolving it's those actually adding more complexity, customisation, choice, depth and roleplaying elements to the action genre in original ways... not BioWare with it's watering the genre down for the sake of mass appeal and/or being "more cinematic" with everything. Being "more cinematic" and action-oriented is responsible for most of what's wrong with Dragon Age 2, and it's pretty clear from comments from the dev team that they haven't learned a damn thing and are just going to make the same mistakes with DA3. Their blind stubbornness on the voiced protagonist issue illustrates that by itself.

Constructive criticism is lost on BioWare these days, especially if it goes against their vision and mindset lately. This is just another clear sign illustrating their high-and-mighty superiority complex and the fact they simply don't care about those who got them where they are today. They just care about their new audience and branching out to the casual, mainstream market. What's the point in even offering advice and telling them where they went wrong when they refuse to listen and pull the wool over their own eyes? Because it's pretty damn clear from almost every comment made in that podcast and everything list on that FAQ that that's exactly what's going on.

We'll always have Mass Effect 1, and 2, yeah, I really liked ME2 because it had an awesome cast of characters and gave you free reign on your Shepard, it allowed you to mould your Shepard exactly how you wanted. 

Mass Effect 3 is such a chore to playthrough twice. They could have had something truly special. 

It's great to see another passionate fan, disheartened by the direction one of their favourite game series took. 

[Father_Jerusalem]

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

This is not what we wanted. You never listened to us. You ignored us at every interval.

Congrats BioWare, you're the NEW Lionhead Studios. Casey Hudson is your Peter Molyneux. You went from gaining our trust and loyalty to now creating nothing, but lies and disbelief in your fans and consumers.

You never cared about your fans, otherwise we wouldn't have had this "Extended Cut" of the same ending we hated. Drew Karpyshyn should have stayed as lead writer, at least he'd keep Casey Hudson in check.

Thanks for making the amazing adventure meaningless and pointless within the 10min the game ended. If I had known this is what Casey Hudson wanted, I wouldn't have even bothered with ME at all.

Thanks for not listening to your fans. We'll still fight you btw, till we get our better ending.

And you wonder why they don't listen to you.

Have fun with that. Seriously.

[Father_Jerusalem]

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

This is not what we wanted. You never listened to us. You ignored us at every interval.

Congrats BioWare, you're the NEW Lionhead Studios. Casey Hudson is your Peter Molyneux. You went from gaining our trust and loyalty to now creating nothing, but lies and disbelief in your fans and consumers.

You never cared about your fans, otherwise we wouldn't have had this "Extended Cut" of the same ending we hated. Drew Karpyshyn should have stayed as lead writer, at least he'd keep Casey Hudson in check.

Thanks for making the amazing adventure meaningless and pointless within the 10min the game ended. If I had known this is what Casey Hudson wanted, I wouldn't have even bothered with ME at all.

Thanks for not listening to your fans. We'll still fight you btw, till we get our better ending.

And you wonder why they don't listen to you.

Have fun with that. Seriously.

You forget we're the reason you guys are getting your free DLC and this EC.

So I hope you've had fun with that.

The DLC would have been free regardless (don't believe me? Where do you think BioWare makes it's money in regards to the MP? that's right, buying points for the packs. they wouldn't need to charge for the DLCs), and the EC... not something I particularly cared about. Still don't, honestly. Sure I'll DL it and see what it is... but I wasn't one of the ones crying and pouting. 

So... I will have fun with that, thank you.

[Abraham_uk]

Blueprotoss wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Cut the crap. None of your BS alters the fact that this was information released post-release from everyone but Bioware. If Bioware knew it and chose not to say anything, they are untrustworthy. If they didn't know about it, they are incompetent, similar to the affair with DA2's autoattack on consoles. People tend to avoid purchasing products from either faction. There is no "blame" to consider. Bioware can do what they want in advertising. My response to their efforts is entirely up to me. 

Yet you are just doing it to complain just like the lady that split her coffee and din't thinkn it was hot.  It seems like you're also blaming consoles now, which I'm not surprised.

Oh my goodness. Are we quoting obsure posts from really old threads now?

[jpraelster93]

it adds 10 minutes with one playthrough Wow how sad

[Zulmoka531]

iakus wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...


And 18 hours later after playing a night of drunken St's Row the 3rd...

You sir have a deal. Everything would be glorious...or maybe that's the hang over talking.

I don't know about glorious, but an ending that's at least happy would make the game replayable, even if the endings are, umm, "artistic"

I'll take "happy" artistic over the current tri-colored paint spill we have right now. And I might actually bother importing morethan the one Shepard.