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[DJRackham]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

It's a pretty classic move to take an opinion and attempt to couch it in "objective" terms.

There's nothing objectively bad about the ending whatsoever.

Is there anything objectively good about it?

[Blueprotoss]

Ericander77 wrote...

I'm staying up late waiting for it to be on Xbox live

If its anything like the MP packs then you'll be waiting for an afternoon launch if you're on the East Coast.

Sir Fluffykins wrote...

When people complain about the END, what are they talking about? For me it was the lack of EMS doing anything, a random clip show, followed by silly short credits, no finale (either space battle or Harbinger boss fight) and Buzz Aldrin with no epilogue. 

You do know that the EMS does cause a lot of variations especially when we're talking about the Destroy "everything" ending that has the minimum amount of required EMS.  The original "final" boss battle was going to be the Illussive Man, which Bioware scrapped it based on its not in his character and a boss battle wasn't neccessary. 

TGSP wrote...

If you look at posts / articles you'll find that people who aren't normally vocal and don't usual post in the forums actually did so to try and get some closure and while you'll always get a group of people in any situation that will complain because they can, Bioware would not have responded if it was actually a minority as you keep claiming. Which, if you put any effort into checking before posting you'd see that there were a lot of polls taken on the opinion of the endings. Seeing as none of the polls I found had less than 85% in favour of something being done about the ending. It is in fact a majority. 

Couple of links to polls are below
86% wanted something more  
Only 2% were happy with the ending as they are

It seems like you're not that interested in facts especially when it comes down to people raging on the Internet and the inaccuracy of polls including the offical forum ones.  Most of the fans enjoyed the ending since some of the ragers keep on coming back.This is just another small uproar just like the Games for Windows service for the PC version of Dark Souls and the small minor cosmetic sigil for DIablo 3 closed beta players, which is the simple definition of haters gonna hate. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 25 juin 2012 - 06:15 .

[earovin]

so does anyone know the hour the EC comes out?

[Tazzmission]

earovin wrote...

so does anyone know the hour the EC comes out?

im in cahicago and for me its either 9am or 10 am the most

[mopotter]

Starshadow2010 wrote...

:(with cautious optimism) I hope it will be worth it. 1.9 GB is almost 20% of vanilla game's size.

also cautious optimism, but also sad knowledge that if it's not worth it, I will have lots of room left after all of my Shepard's out in limbo are deleted.  

[dekkerd]

earovin wrote...

so does anyone know the hour the EC comes out?

No. Not even bioware. 

http://social.biowar...739939#12740345

[AresKeith]

BlueProtoss wrote..

TGSP wrote...

If you look at posts / articles you'll find that people who aren't normally vocal and don't usual post in the forums actually did so to try and get some closure and while you'll always get a group of people in any situation that will complain because they can, Bioware would not have responded if it was actually a minority as you keep claiming. Which, if you put any effort into checking before posting you'd see that there were a lot of polls taken on the opinion of the endings. Seeing as none of the polls I found had less than 85% in favour of something being done about the ending. It is in fact a majority. 

Couple of links to polls are below
86% wanted something more  
Only 2% were happy with the ending as they are

It seems like you're not that interested in facts especially when it comes down to people raging on the Internet and the inaccuracy of polls including the offical forum ones.  Most of the fans enjoyed the ending since some of the ragers keep on coming back.This is just another small uproar just like the Games for Windows service for the PC version of Dark Souls and the small minor cosmetic sigil for DIablo 3 closed beta players, which is the simple definition of haters gonna hate. 

if you wanna say facts post links to back them up, if not, then stop repeating the same thing and leave it alone

Modifié par AresKeith, 25 juin 2012 - 06:23 .

[AresKeith]

earovin wrote...

so does anyone know the hour the EC comes out?

I'm assuming middle of the day or afternoon, not really sure

[taggen86]

If people think that survey represent all the ME3 players then you are just dumb. In order to generalize results from a poll u need a random selection of observations in the population. This poll is not based on a random selection of the +3million me3 players. i would bet that most ME players do not know anything about the ending controversy (however we do not know)

Modifié par taggen86, 25 juin 2012 - 06:36 .

[mad_yojik]

Grammarye wrote...

It's significantly more enjoyable to be pessimistic & pleasantly surprised than optimistic having already had disappointment.

Put another way, I imagine lots are very much 'wait and see, but not hoping for anything spectacular'. I certainly am. Should the EC be absolutely superb, all the better, and if not, no arbitrary hopes have been set up to be knocked down.

I'm not curious about "wait and see" attitude, its pretty normal, but a lot of folks here are just crying "I know it will suck!" and so on. Thats pretty strange IMO, since we in fact don't know a thing about it (exept that  it contains cutscenes related to ending).

[Coreniro]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

It's a pretty classic move to take an opinion and attempt to couch it in "objective" terms.

There's nothing objectively bad about the ending whatsoever.

If you took it from the internet, it would collapse on itself. The whole net is based on this kind of activity... Actually, the whole world is based on this stupid activity

[AresKeith]

taggen86 wrote...

If people think that survey represent all the ME3 players then you are just dumb. In order to generalize results from a poll u need a random selection of observations in the population. This poll is not based on a random selection of the +3million me3 players. i would bet that most ME players do not know anything about the ending controversy

I'm pretty sure every ME player knows about the ending, but the poll isn't by everyone your right, but nobody can call this a small uproar because they wouldn't be doing this if it really was

[JamesMoriarty123]

And my valid question gets lost in the mire of pointless arguments and nonsense.

I shall reiterate :-

Will there be a patch released alongside the EC that fixes some of the more well known bugs? Such as the Liara LotSB romance bug?

Any info would be appreciated.

[AresKeith]

JamesMoriarty123 wrote...

And my valid question gets lost in the mire of pointless arguments and nonsense.

I shall reiterate :-

Will there be a patch released alongside the EC that fixes some of the more well known bugs? Such as the Liara LotSB romance bug?

Any info would be appreciated.

I doubt it, they would have said something about a patch by now

[sporeian]

It all ends tommorow.....hopefully

[Grammarye]

Blueprotoss wrote...Most of the fans enjoyed the ending since some of the ragers keep on coming back.

I realise that by replying to a Blueprotoss post I'm engaging in one of the classic forum blunders (the worst being getting involved in a flame war in Asia), but really, if you're going to throw around statements like that and claim the majority, it never hurts to actually back that up with facts, or not bother. Claiming the majority is such a classic 'please believe me and all my mates' move that I'm surprised it's not already a meme.

mad_yojik wrote...

Grammarye wrote...

It's significantly more enjoyable to be pessimistic & pleasantly surprised than optimistic having already had disappointment.

Put another way, I imagine lots are very much 'wait and see, but not hoping for anything spectacular'. I certainly am. Should the EC be absolutely superb, all the better, and if not, no arbitrary hopes have been set up to be knocked down.

I'm not curious about "wait and see" attitude, its pretty normal, but a lot of folks here are just crying "I know it will suck!" and so on. Thats pretty strange IMO, since we in fact don't know a thing about it (exept that  it contains cutscenes related to ending).

Fair point; I guess I was coming from the viewpoint that some are not so great at expressing their views and even a wait & see attitude might come across as 'it's going to suck' - that they might assume it sucks by default so as to avoid any chance of disappointment.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

if you wanna say facts post links to back them up, if not, then stop repeating the same thing and leave it alone

Yet you should practice what you preach and there's always a small gaming contraversy going on especially when you have the "fans" complaining on  4chan, Youtube, reddit, or any of the offical forums. 

Grammarye wrote...

I realise that by replying to a Blueprotoss post I'm engaging in one of the classic forum blunders (the worst being getting involved in a flame war in Asia), but really, if you're going to throw around statements like that and claim the majority, it never hurts to actually back that up with facts, or not bother. Claiming the majority is such a classic 'please believe me and all my mates' move that I'm surprised it's not already a meme.

I love the irony here based on I'm here debating with people while I can't be blamed for some people resorted to childish name calling like yourself since you're trying to act like the "internet tough guy".  If you're so educated on the internet then you should know that most of the Internet is made up of rage and its nothing new to hear a small uproar based on a game especially when we're talking about mainstream games.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 25 juin 2012 - 07:24 .

[Grammarye]

Blueprotoss wrote...I love the irony here based on I'm here debating with people while I can't be blamed for some people resorted to childish name calling like yourself since you're trying to act like the "internet tough guy".  If you're so educated on the internet then you should know that most of the Internet is made up of rage and its nothing new to hear a small uproar based on a game especially when we're talking about mainstream games.

I don't believe I used a single item of name-calling - you do have a reputation; that is a given - if you failed to see the humour in my post, that's a pity, but it happens.

I suggested that if you want to claim the majority, you back that up. Simple as that. I'm not sure where you're going with the rest of that post - two wrongs make a right perhaps? I would disagree. Debate by all means, but you don't appear to be doing that.

I will be keeping Internet Tough Guy though for the day when forums add titles accrued.

Modifié par Grammarye, 25 juin 2012 - 07:40 .

[Blueprotoss]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

No, enough of this. Point to me where Bioware released a statement contradicting their previous assertion that a high enough EMS could be obtained through SP. Until you do so, your claim has no basis. I hold the company responsible for making the claim to also tell me of the opposite is now true, no one else. 

 Yet you're still lieing based on how you don't need to play the MP since you can either play ME : Infiltrator or use the ME3 Datapad app to make up the difference of the EMS.  Its sad when you're complaining over nothing since the MP won't cost you extra unless if you bought the ME3 used. 

BaladasDemnevanni wrote... 

And I guess you missed the part where I asserted that the woman from McDonald's should have known that the coffee was hot. Again, your reading comprehension is terrible. The point is that:

1) the woman is responsible, based on McDonald's and past experience.
2) The scenarios you are trying to connect are not applicable.

It seems like you missed the whole thing by you crying wolf to get a reaction out of people.

BaladasDemnevanni wrote... 

Stop confusing the two.

Yet you're the one thats confused based on how you're lieing so you can try to make Bioware look like the bad guy since ME is their IP.

BaladasDemnevanni wrote... 

Then you should be able to address the content of that paragraph rather than make a false claim about strawmans. I illustrated how the two scenarios are different. McDonald's told the woman what to expect and she took actions in defiance of those expectations. Bioware told us what to expect and what we obtained was in defiance of that expectation.

Yet the only false claim is the one frrom you saying that you're forced to play MP to get the full EMS to get one of the "perfect" endings.

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...  

I seem to recall you having just misunderstood the entire point behind the DAII autoattack, for some craptastic attempt at portraying me as a "console-hater". Accept that you failed and move on.

Yet I could careless since you're currently being immature, which is ironic since you want to have a "debate".

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...  

If only you had proof that it was a small group. I'd love to see your statistics showing all the people who loved ME3's ending.

Yet most of the "statistics" that you'll use are clearly biased especially when you're going to pander for the ragers.  Btw each Bioware game has had a small uproar just like any other game did.

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...  

Half of the same content does not equal all of the same content. It is impossible to obtain the ending where Shepard lives using the SP experience alone. So cut the crap.

I see that you're resorting to a read herring and a straw-mann since you do have two other choices then a good MP.

[Blueprotoss]

[quote]Grammarye wrote...

I don't believe I used a single item of name-calling - you do have a reputation; that is a given - if you failed to see the humour in my post, that's a pity, but it happens.

[/quote] Its ironic on how you resorted to "meme" and "flame war" so quickly while I'm not that much of a sarcasm person.

I suggested that if you want to claim the majority, you back that up. Simple as that. I'm not sure where you're going with the rest of that post - two wrongs make a right perhaps? I would disagree. Debate by all means, but you don't appear to be doing that.

[/quote] The minority are the "ragers" especially when most of their group is involved with Retake , which is between 50,000 to 60,000, and thats definately not the majority out of  a 3 million + fanbase that ME3 has.  Btw if the "majority" hated the endings then why do most of them keep on coming back to something that they don't like.

I will be keeping Internet Tough Guy though for the day when forums add titles accrued.
[/quote]Yet you should practice what you preach since you're doing a bad job with that.

[AresKeith]

Grammarye wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...I love the irony here based on I'm here debating with people while I can't be blamed for some people resorted to childish name calling like yourself since you're trying to act like the "internet tough guy".  If you're so educated on the internet then you should know that most of the Internet is made up of rage and its nothing new to hear a small uproar based on a game especially when we're talking about mainstream games.

I don't believe I used a single item of name-calling - you do have a reputation; that is a given - if you failed to see the humour in my post, that's a pity, but it happens.

I suggested that if you want to claim the majority, you back that up. Simple as that. I'm not sure where you're going with the rest of that post - two wrongs make a right perhaps? I would disagree. Debate by all means, but you don't appear to be doing that.

I will be keeping Internet Tough Guy though for the day when forums add titles accrued.

thats what youtube had to deal with on almost every ME3 video

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

thats what youtube had to deal with on almost every ME3 video

Yet most of it was actually name calling especially when it was directed at anyone who liked or had no problem with the endings.   Youtube is almost as bad as Reddit and 4chan. 

[Grubas]

@Blueprotoss

Where do you have that number of 3 million people liking the ending?
Please tell me.

I get my popcorn ready. so funny.

[RoamerZA]

staindgrey wrote...

Silasqtx wrote...

Maybe it's a stupid question but anyway.. if it's 1.9gb not to exceed the maximum size limit for Xbox users, why not splitting it in two parts?

They have to pay for server usage. That's why.

Also, 1.9GB is a LOT. LotSB was somewhere around 1.5GB. Granted, this EC DLC was a rush job, so the large size likely has a lot to do with a lack of time to condense coding. With a lot more time, they likely could have cute the size in half by reworking how it's coded, but they needed this out fast.

Err ... no