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[Zork90]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 26 juin 2012 - 06:34 .

[badmojo88]

lol Zork90 that was the most elegant way to put it that i have ever heard thank you, truely thank you *salutes*

[kegNeggs]

badmojo88 wrote...

lol Zork90 that was the most elegant way to put it that i have ever heard thank you, truely thank you *salutes*

I'll have to agree with both of you the wait is a pain in the  hiney

[Voodoo2015]

badmojo88 wrote...

sooooooo.....yeah.....whats going on with origin today? yet another time lag uploading bugs on their servers?

I'm not sure this whole thing isn't a waste of time frankly, one major saving grace is that it is free.

Sorry I think we'll have to wait a while longer, we who have a PC.
If he is right.

Bocks wrote...

Guys, PC's EC comes out in 6 hours, so just sit tight until then.

Play some League or something.

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 26 juin 2012 - 12:47 .

[badmojo88]

I did notice when i tried to play multiplayer on ME3 it keeps locking up, could it have to do with draw from the EC downloads you think?

[Zork90]

badmojo88 wrote...

lol Zork90 that was the most elegant way to put it that i have ever heard thank you, truely thank you *salutes*

Thats the nicest way to put it to EA at this stage. 

Anyway, salutes to you aswell forumite.





Now god damn it bEAware, people already put up all the different "ending/s" on youtube.... while we're still waiting on damn ORIGIN. Holy *H**... origin, that such evil could exist. 
Give it to me!!!! Complete my ME3 game ffs!

Modifié par Zork90, 26 juin 2012 - 01:05 .

[badmojo88]

note; Origin used to be a game company itself, the very same that made Wing Commander, the last Sci-fi title EA controlled and was very much like Mass Effect in many ways. Now the Origin name is being used like a dead carcass hanging from a doorway as a warning to sci-fi fans, abandon all hope ye who enter here.

[staindgrey]

mad_yojik wrote...

What you're talking about is enjoyment.  What staindgrey is talking about is narrative structure, progression, and basic storytelling necessities.  The former is subjective. The latter is not.  You can enjoy an objectively bad narrative, but such things do exist.

Strange. How the narrative can be "objectively bad", as there is no objective criteria exists to it being bad (or good either). The only way to rate such things is quite subjective itself (either "I like it " or "I dont like it"). Storytelling, music and movies isnt science, you know <_<.

You, sir, have never worked in any field involving creative writing and editorship. There is a very, very old standard that has existed for narrative structure that has to be followed for any work of art to be taken seriously by critics and, usually, customers. Videogames, however, can get a pass at times because a lot of gamers play for the game part, not the story part.

Think of it like math. There is a specific way in which things must be done in order to assure you get the final answer. You can still do them in any order you wish, or write it in your own short hand, etc., but all the steps and processes need to be there, otherwise, your final answer will be wrong. The only difference between a story and math is that, obviously, one can still enjoy a story that ends with the wrong answer. That doesn't change the fact that it's still incorrect.

Coreniro wrote...

"those who looked into these issues yuo wrote and found a good answer to all of them". Do I need to write it in bold font to make you understand? There are no basic story telling necessities, or rules.

 

...you did not just say that. I mean, you didn't say that seriously, did you?

Modifié par staindgrey, 26 juin 2012 - 01:11 .

[Lars Honeytoast]

Is there a good way to find out when it is out on PS3 outside of refreshing the store all the time? I'd like to be able to check but won't be home for a while.

[mad_yojik]

staindgrey wrote...

You, sir, have never worked in any field involving creative writing and editorship. There is a very, very old standard that has existed for narrative structure that has to be followed for any work of art to be taken seriously by critics and, usually, customers. Videogames, however, can get a pass at times because a lot of gamers play for the game part, not the story part.

Think of it like math. There is a specific way in which things must be done in order to assure you get the final answer. You can still do them in any order you wish, or write it in your own short hand, etc., but all the steps and processes need to be there, otherwise, your final answer will be wrong. The only difference between a story and math is that, obviously, one can still enjoy a story that ends with the wrong answer. That doesn't change the fact that it's still incorrect.

Your argument is illogical. Since only "meaningful answer" to story is in fact one's enjoyment, and "one can still enjoy a story that ends with the wrong answer" - there exists no "wrong answer". And about "taken seeriously by the critics" - who cares about that, the critics are not paying money for the thing, the customers are. There is a lot of examples where "critics" and "community" opinions differ drastically, be it video game, movie or book.

Modifié par mad_yojik, 26 juin 2012 - 01:26 .

[badmojo88]

mad_yojik has a point, critics claimed once that Star Wars A New Hope wouldn't run past a week....yeah that opinion failed.

[voteDC]

Urgh. Come on Origin put the damn DLC up.

How stupid is it that Microsoft can get EA DLC up before EA can on their own service.

[Valtauran]

voteDC wrote...

Urgh. Come on Origin put the damn DLC up.

How stupid is it that Microsoft can get EA DLC up before EA can on their own service.

Probably kissing up to MS, they do, do the operating systems you know, MS could be ******** and code it so origin doesn't work at all.

[MurderHouse]

I'm not surprised. That is why I didn't sit up since 0'clock waiting for this dlc.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 26 juin 2012 - 04:58 .

[bobwill]

staindgrey wrote...

mad_yojik wrote...

What you're talking about is enjoyment.  What staindgrey is talking about is narrative structure, progression, and basic storytelling necessities.  The former is subjective. The latter is not.  You can enjoy an objectively bad narrative, but such things do exist.

Strange. How the narrative can be "objectively bad", as there is no objective criteria exists to it being bad (or good either). The only way to rate such things is quite subjective itself (either "I like it " or "I dont like it"). Storytelling, music and movies isnt science, you know <_<.

You, sir, have never worked in any field involving creative writing and editorship. There is a very, very old standard that has existed for narrative structure that has to be followed for any work of art to be taken seriously by critics and, usually, customers. Videogames, however, can get a pass at times because a lot of gamers play for the game part, not the story part.

Think of it like math. There is a specific way in which things must be done in order to assure you get the final answer. You can still do them in any order you wish, or write it in your own short hand, etc., but all the steps and processes need to be there, otherwise, your final answer will be wrong. The only difference between a story and math is that, obviously, one can still enjoy a story that ends with the wrong answer. That doesn't change the fact that it's still incorrect.

Coreniro wrote...

"those who looked into these issues yuo wrote and found a good answer to all of them". Do I need to write it in bold font to make you understand? There are no basic story telling necessities, or rules.

 

...you did not just say that. I mean, you didn't say that seriously, did you?

I would use a field like, well, Art.  You can't get much more into the creative arts, then, well creative art. :-)
And, even art follows rules of composition.
http://painting.abou...ition-rules.htm 
Do you really think that people that go to art school spend the whole 2-4 years learning to draw, or how to set aperture and shutterspeed on a camera?
There are definite rules that go into art that have been discovered over the past 7,000 years, and failure to follow these rules might work in some cases; but, in general, you're better off following the rules than you are at breaking them.  And, if you break them, if a critic asks why you made that choice, they'll probably want an answer other than "I liked the way it looked."

[therearentanynamesleftsoipickedthisone]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 26 juin 2012 - 06:35 .

[MACharlie1]

Guys, this isn't anything new. This has ALWAYS been the case from day one with ME2. I would say ME1 but when BDTS came out, it wasn't on PC yet. But PC always had to wait and be patient. I remember Lair of the Shadow Broker - it ended up having a broken executable and we didn't get it until the next day!

[Blueprotoss]

bobwill wrote...

I would use a field like, well, Art.  You can't get much more into the creative arts, then, well creative art. :-)
And, even art follows rules of composition.
http://painting.abou...ition-rules.htm 
Do you really think that people that go to art school spend the whole 2-4 years learning to draw, or how to set aperture and shutterspeed on a camera?
There are definite rules that go into art that have been discovered over the past 7,000 years, and failure to follow these rules might work in some cases; but, in general, you're better off following the rules than you are at breaking them.  And, if you break them, if a critic asks why you made that choice, they'll probably want an answer other than "I liked the way it looked."

Art is a very bad example based on how broad art is like novels, comics, video games, music, movies, television, and etc.    Art can be criticized but its universal while it doesn't matter if you liked or hated it.  Personally I hate most of the rap genre and everything that is Twilight related but I can't say its not art because art is objective.

[Shepard108278]

HBC Dresden wrote...

If I recall correctly:

Xbox 360 (worldwide): within the hour
PC (worldwide): around noon MST today
PS3 (North America): in the afternoon today

PS3 (Europe): July 4th

Correct me if I'm wrong.

I'm in CST so that should be around 1pm right?

[therearentanynamesleftsoipickedthisone]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 26 juin 2012 - 06:36 .

[julio77777]

The time of release in not decided by Bioware it's up to Xbox live/PSN/Origin. Go complain on their forum for the release time, Bioware can't do anything about it.

Plus seriously you waited months for the thing is a few hours gonna change anything ?

Modifié par julio77777, 26 juin 2012 - 03:46 .

[therearentanynamesleftsoipickedthisone]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 26 juin 2012 - 06:36 .

[Ezlo86]

IGN just reported the PC version will be out today but the PS3 one that's coming out on July 4th. I'M SO CONFUSED.

Modifié par Ezlo86, 26 juin 2012 - 03:53 .

[Sgt.Roadkill]

where is my DLC......... spent all day digging holes in the hot sun..... and i don't even get my DLC


thanks......

quick sound more whiney asap! stupid games industry making me a git....

[therearentanynamesleftsoipickedthisone]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 26 juin 2012 - 06:37 .