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[COLZ7R]

At this point screw it, everyone who is pissed about it , just make 50 threads a hour about biotics being op, keep it up for a couple of weeks, job should be done, then move to the next class

[cory257383]

Poulpor wrote...

You realise that you are the keystone of the team because you OP ??

This game need equilibrate for continue..

but how does having one class more powerful then another, which is subjective, effect continuity of the game? You win games make money buy your packs, that's all multiplayer is, yes its very fun but those are its core elements

[Jernau11]

Alright if its gonna be nerfed, then you'd better nerf Salarians, Smashgauards and adepts, any biotic or tech burst class and decoy because I've used those to carry bad players too, (and outscored infiltrators with krysae doing it). Actually speaking as someone who's played this game way too much, you probably really need to buff everyone else.

Modifié par Jernau11, 22 juin 2012 - 01:33 .

[cory257383]

Don't give them any more ideas

[Zjarcal]

cory257383 wrote...

We must make our voices heard. This is the time for infiltrators to truly unite. No class has ever been needed to the extent that they will nerd cloak, if its only 5-10% why bother? Don't be fooled.

It's like taking shield recharge away from vanguard. Or heavy melee away from the krogan. This is what we are for, TC is our class its our defining skill, it is who we are.

And who said they're taking cloak away? Rebalancing it by changing the damage bonus or duration doesn't mean they are taking the power away, jeez.

Infiltrator is my favorite class and I absolutely have no problem with Tactical Cloak being rebalanced.

[spartacusthegod]

I'm in. Infiltrators aren't entirely OP. Anything is OP if the person using it knows what they're doing. TC doesn't need a nerf at all, I think it's balanced and you can do a lot of awesome builds with it.

My one and only thing I would do to change it is to increase the duration for the rank 4 power evolutions. It's only 3 seconds. It can make a lot of difference sometimes, but it's the one and only upgrade to duration you can get, when there's several damage buffs.

[Poulpor]

cory257383 wrote...

Poulpor wrote...

You realise that you are the keystone of the team because you OP ??

This game need equilibrate for continue..

but how does having one class more powerful then another, which is subjective, effect continuity of the game? You win games make money buy your packs, that's all multiplayer is, yes its very fun but those are its core elements

Because I see a progression towards the infiltrators .. early everyone played the soldier thinking he was as strong as in ME2, in the end everyone realize that infiltrator = easy money. therefore lobbies gold to become 50% infiltrators and Multiplayer have 6 classes .

I do not often to get synergy between Justiciar - Krogan or many other things. the game become boring

[DiebytheSword]

Signed. Any significant nerfing of TC will break the class, and nerf that doesn't won't be enough for the Nerf herders.

They want to break the infiltrator.

There is nothing wrong with the class, and changing it dramatically will ruin the game.

I score over 100k with engineers all the time, it is not impossible.  Infiltrators, if and when nerfed, won't be able to lay down the stopping power needed to be viable on gold, as it is, I think guns are way underpowered for all classes.

If you want to do something about TC and Infiltrators being on top of the score board, then buff AS, SMG, Shotguns and Pistols for the other classes.

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 22 juin 2012 - 01:47 .

[Lucius Aelius]

Most definitely NOT signed, I don't want to see Infiltrators rendered unplayable (my GI taking a hit without any buffs to other classes would be.... annoying), but fact is they have always been massively overpowered and are the primary cause of this game being imbalanced as it is, make it so an all-around good player can do equally well with all classes (instead of dramatically better with one more than any other), and I will be happy.

And give us back the old Hunter Mode, it's the only thing that made my GE "Soldier" build worthwhile (and here I thought Bioware wanted as much diversity as possible in that regard, hence all this balancing of the game and whatnot, they say it but they often don't seem to act like it's true....)

[Ranger_Captain]

I'm all for some nerfs to TC at least in the damage department. Leave time, hell they can buff cloak time, but the damage buff give by TC needs to be seriously lowered if not removed.

[JiceDuresh]

DiebytheSword wrote...
 and changing it dramatically will ruin the game.

Somehow, I think changing 1 power out of 90 on 1 class out of 6 isn't really going to ruin the game. Unless of course the only reason you play this game is because your Geth Infiltrator can take out a banshee in three shots, then yes, the game will be ruined.

[DiebytheSword]

JiceDuresh wrote...

DiebytheSword wrote...
 and changing it dramatically will ruin the game.

Somehow, I think changing 1 power out of 90 on 1 class out of 6 isn't really going to ruin the game. Unless of course the only reason you play this game is because your Geth Infiltrator can take out a banshee in three shots, then yes, the game will be ruined.

I rarely use my GI, I use a HI, and a Valiant at that, not one of the big anti-materiel rifles.  This nerf is going to break my build more than you let on.  Only Snipers using OP GI Hunter mode with a geth sniper rifle are problematic, or infiltrators using claymores.

All the smaller rifles will be made useless, the nerf will never be big enough to satisfy the nerf crowd and the reasonable infiltrators are going to be the ones to suffer.

Not to mention you totally ignoring that I use Engineer to get similar results often.

Modifié par DiebytheSword, 22 juin 2012 - 01:53 .

[OneTrueShot]

INB4SNARKYCHRISCOMMENT

[cory257383]

OneTrueShot wrote...

INB4SNARKYCHRISCOMMENT

I do hope that this thread gets a dev comment

[Mgamerz]

I love official petitions.

[Fibonacci_]

not signed. overreacting and seriously all I see is infiltrators all day.

Good day to the cloaked one man army

[El Chupacabra49]

 Please nerf the 40 percentage sniper rifle damage bonus on TC

My claymore inflitrator will thank yee

Signed

Also I would expect 25 percent infiltrators overall.  Every group should have one for objectives unless your running a group of biotic who combo together

Modifié par El Chupacabra49, 22 juin 2012 - 02:02 .

[DiebytheSword]

Fibonacci_ wrote...

not signed. overreacting and seriously all I see is infiltrators all day.

Good day to the cloaked one man army

Perfect example of why it should not be nerfed, this isn't about game balance, its a public execution of a character class because people are getting annoyed that they aren't apparently doing as well as the infiltrators.

All stupid reasons to break the class.

[Dharvy]

Felhammer wrote...

LULZferBAKON wrote...

cory257383 wrote...

We must make our voices heard. This is the time for infiltrators to truly unite. No class has ever been needed to the extent that they will nerd cloak, if its only 5-10% why bother? Don't be fooled.

It's like taking shield recharge away from vanguard. Or heavy melee away from the krogan. This is what we are for, TC is our class its our defining skill, it is who we are.

Oh boohoo, all I can do now is turn invisible!

Oh wait, thats still a pretty cool power.

This. Even if they gut the damage bonus, TC would still be a great power. Maybe you could learn to use it in ways that are, I dunno... tactical?

Actually almost everyone that I've seen play a decent infiltrator use TC, as you put it, tactically; getting by the enemy unseen, rezzing teammates, capping objectives, also flanking the enemy, getting in oportuned spots. Basically we all use any and every damaging/debuffing power we have at our adavantage to kill the enemies efficiently as possible. Whether it be sitting in cover spamming said power, or as in infiltrators TC, or doing it on the move. TC is not just meant for infiltrators to just run around hiding everywhere but its also for Critical damage, thus its why it take the high bonus damage to skills and weapons. And gutting the damage bonus just means that as an infiltrator, using your cloak to "tactically" kill your target takes a less damage and therefore more hits and essentially longer to be effective. And if you feel as an infiltrator you kill to good and so you need to take less damage and take longer time killing stuff or your friends or that random guy in your PUG game need to take less damage and take longer to kill something then, you know, be less effective, by all means thats your opinion/perogative and I can't fault you for it.
Its just that not all of us like whips and chains and handcuffs to make things we enjoy...fun.
Edit: the last part is a sort of jest, so hopefully no offense. :happy:

Modifié par Dharvy, 22 juin 2012 - 02:18 .

[MrScottBear]

Yeah, good luck with getting them to ignore people on the forums, their own internal playtesting and all the data they collect from players showing that TC, and Infiltrators are overpowered.

Antisigned. I take away a signature, like Sable Dove.

[Voorhees88]

signed... idk why all these little girls wanna have it nerffed when ALL classes has its own advantage

[Mystical_Gaming]

it better not get nerfed. Who else will they come to when they need a revive or objective done in the far corner of the map?

If you nerf me you will regret it.

[xxnickx45xx]

Signed but it's already in the works sorry

[KiraTsukasa]

Putting "official" in caps doesn't make you a BioWare employee and thus makes your thread UNofficial.

[InfamousResult]

Mystical_Gaming wrote...

it better not get nerfed. Who else will they come to when they need a revive or objective done in the far corner of the map?

If you nerf me you will regret it.

Keep your cloak.

Lose some of your damage.

Or cooldown. Either one is cool with me.