No, because the equation is 585.4 + (585.4 * 1.775) which just got simplified to 585.4 * 2.775KiraTsukasa wrote...
Shouldn't the equation be 585.4 + (585.4 * 2.775) ? Resulting in a damage of 2209.885, more than enough to kill a geth trooper.
Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 22 juin 2012 - 03:16 .
GodlessPaladin wrote...
No, because the equation is 585.4 + (585.4 * 1.775) which just got simplified to 585.4 * 2.775KiraTsukasa wrote...
Shouldn't the equation be 585.4 + (585.4 * 2.775) ? Resulting in a damage of 2209.885, more than enough to kill a geth trooper.
KiraTsukasa wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
No, because the equation is 585.4 + (585.4 * 1.775) which just got simplified to 585.4 * 2.775KiraTsukasa wrote...
Shouldn't the equation be 585.4 + (585.4 * 2.775) ? Resulting in a damage of 2209.885, more than enough to kill a geth trooper.
I made a mistake, alright? You're really gonna get all pissy about it? <_<
Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 22 juin 2012 - 03:15 .
He specified shieldlessdeadpixel92 wrote...
Also are you aware of shield gate? even if that is not the correct armor stat you still wouldnt be able to kill him in one shot with Widow
deadpixel92 wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
dude...that spreadsheet is plain WRONG. a geth pyro has more armor than a geth trooper has health in the game. and the spreadsheet says the opposite. i can bosyshot a trooper with a REGULAR widow VII shot, but a bodyshot to a pyro after shields are gone leaves it with one bar.
just cuz a random person posts it online does NOT mean its correct.
I didn't reference that spreadsheet. Deadpixel92 did. Though I have to wonder what your source on the armor comment is.
Your spreadsheet says that a pyro has less armor than a trooper has health.
But In the actual game a trooper dies from a single shot, and a shieldless pyro does not.
Also are you aware of shield gate? even if that is not the correct armor stat you still wouldnt be able to kill him in one shot with Widow
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
dude...that spreadsheet is plain WRONG. a geth pyro has more armor than a geth trooper has health in the game. and the spreadsheet says the opposite. i can bosyshot a trooper with a REGULAR widow VII shot, but a bodyshot to a pyro after shields are gone leaves it with one bar.
just cuz a random person posts it online does NOT mean its correct.
I didn't reference that spreadsheet. Deadpixel92 did. Though I have to wonder what your source on the armor comment is.
Your spreadsheet says that a pyro has less armor than a trooper has health.
deadpixel92 wrote...
ryoldschool wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Chriss5688 wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
I
just empirically tested this and my results are not consistent with
Eric Fagnan's answer. It would not be possible for me to one-shot a
Geth Trooper with a Black Widow 6 with no equipment using a Salarian
Engineer using Tactical Cloak and no other powers if there was not a
multiplier being applied. And yet I can do it.
Salarian Engineer and Tactical Cloak? I assume you meant Salarian Infiltrator, yes?
Sorry, yes, I meant to say SALARIAN INFILTRATOR. My bad.
I can upload video proof of my empirical testing if desired.
Just
a thought - where did you get the info on the health of the Geth
trooper in your test, and also the damage per shot of your weapon?
Could it be that these are in error - maybe those sources are not
correct ( or if they are from the PC game, maybe not the same as xbox
game ).
docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub
Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 22 juin 2012 - 03:24 .
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
deadpixel92 wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
dude...that spreadsheet is plain WRONG. a geth pyro has more armor than a geth trooper has health in the game. and the spreadsheet says the opposite. i can bosyshot a trooper with a REGULAR widow VII shot, but a bodyshot to a pyro after shields are gone leaves it with one bar.
just cuz a random person posts it online does NOT mean its correct.
I didn't reference that spreadsheet. Deadpixel92 did. Though I have to wonder what your source on the armor comment is.
Your spreadsheet says that a pyro has less armor than a trooper has health.
But In the actual game a trooper dies from a single shot, and a shieldless pyro does not.
Also are you aware of shield gate? even if that is not the correct armor stat you still wouldnt be able to kill him in one shot with Widow
notice that bit? SDHIELDLESS. meaning only armor. no shields left...shieldgate does not apply.
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
dude...that spreadsheet is plain WRONG. a geth pyro has more armor than a geth trooper has health in the game. and the spreadsheet says the opposite. i can bosyshot a trooper with a REGULAR widow VII shot, but a bodyshot to a pyro after shields are gone leaves it with one bar.
just cuz a random person posts it online does NOT mean its correct.
I didn't reference that spreadsheet. Deadpixel92 did. Though I have to wonder what your source on the armor comment is.
Your spreadsheet says that a pyro has less armor than a trooper has health.
So do you just not read anything people say? I never referenced a spreadsheet in this thread and the one you're talking about isn't mine.deadpixel92 wrote...
ryoldschool wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Chriss5688 wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
I
just empirically tested this and my results are not consistent with
Eric Fagnan's answer. It would not be possible for me to one-shot a
Geth Trooper with a Black Widow 6 with no equipment using a Salarian
Engineer using Tactical Cloak and no other powers if there was not a
multiplier being applied. And yet I can do it.
Salarian Engineer and Tactical Cloak? I assume you meant Salarian Infiltrator, yes?
Sorry, yes, I meant to say SALARIAN INFILTRATOR. My bad.
I can upload video proof of my empirical testing if desired.
Just
a thought - where did you get the info on the health of the Geth
trooper in your test, and also the damage per shot of your weapon?
Could it be that these are in error - maybe those sources are not
correct ( or if they are from the PC game, maybe not the same as xbox
game ).
docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub
*facedesk*
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
dude...that spreadsheet is plain WRONG. a geth pyro has more armor than a geth trooper has health in the game. and the spreadsheet says the opposite. i can bosyshot a trooper with a REGULAR widow VII shot, but a bodyshot to a pyro after shields are gone leaves it with one bar.
just cuz a random person posts it online does NOT mean its correct.
I didn't reference that spreadsheet. Deadpixel92 did. Though I have to wonder what your source on the armor comment is.
Your spreadsheet says that a pyro has less armor than a trooper has health.
So do you just not read anything people say? I never referenced a spreadsheet in this thread and the one you're talking about isn't mine.deadpixel92 wrote...
ryoldschool wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Chriss5688 wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
I
just empirically tested this and my results are not consistent with
Eric Fagnan's answer. It would not be possible for me to one-shot a
Geth Trooper with a Black Widow 6 with no equipment using a Salarian
Engineer using Tactical Cloak and no other powers if there was not a
multiplier being applied. And yet I can do it.
Salarian Engineer and Tactical Cloak? I assume you meant Salarian Infiltrator, yes?
Sorry, yes, I meant to say SALARIAN INFILTRATOR. My bad.
I can upload video proof of my empirical testing if desired.
Just
a thought - where did you get the info on the health of the Geth
trooper in your test, and also the damage per shot of your weapon?
Could it be that these are in error - maybe those sources are not
correct ( or if they are from the PC game, maybe not the same as xbox
game ).
docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub
*facedesk*
"Your" as in the one you people seem to think is factual. not "your" as belonging to you.
Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 22 juin 2012 - 03:28 .
Modifié par capn233, 22 juin 2012 - 03:33 .
capn233 wrote...
All these nested quotes...
Yajuu Omoi, GodlessPaladin referenced the weekly balance changes for Geth Trooper health for his test, and the balance changes are as good of information as we are privy to. Pyros have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you have an issue with Tangster's spreadsheet, perhaps you should send him a PM. While your experience with Pyros is indeed interesting, it has no bearing on the topic of this thread.
Oh gosh, imagine the community uproar then!Atheosis wrote...
I call shenanigans. There's no way that's actually how it works. I'd laugh my ass off if it turned out that evo 6 has just been glitched this whole time.
capn233 wrote...
All these nested quotes...
Yajuu Omoi, GodlessPaladin referenced the weekly balance changes for Geth Trooper health for his test, and the balance changes are as good of information as we are privy to. Pyros have absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand. If you have an issue with Tangster's spreadsheet, perhaps you should send him a PM. While your experience with Pyros is indeed interesting, it has no bearing on the topic of this thread.
Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 22 juin 2012 - 03:40 .
Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 22 juin 2012 - 03:43 .
To be fair ryoldschool had been looking for some clarification on the damage formula as the cloak bonus has been a matter of contention for a while now (ever since the Krysae...).GodlessPaladin wrote...
Hell, the Geth Trooper health reference isn't even relevant to my second test, which does not rely on anything except directly observable in-game information to prove that the formula suggested in the OP is inaccurate.
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Incidentally I just tested the Geth Pyro out. If Tangster's numbers were right I should have killed it in 3 body shots. It took FOUR.
Which raises the question, does anyone have access to a more accurate data sheet?
Modifié par MartialArtsSurfer, 22 juin 2012 - 03:52 .
MartialArtsSurfer wrote...
Just because Bioware says the tier 6 40% damage is additive (or SUPPOSED TO BE additive) doesn't mean that's how it works because after extensive testing, it's MULTIPLICATIVE... could be another bug in the program
Bioware also said UltraLight Materials was working & fixed too until testing by players showed it was not working despite displays & devs saying it was working & fixed.. ie, programming bugs can & do crop up despite developers thinking they're working as supposed to be
deadpixel92 wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Incidentally I just tested the Geth Pyro out. If Tangster's numbers were right I should have killed it in 3 body shots. It took FOUR.
Which raises the question, does anyone have access to a more accurate data sheet?
I guess checking the coalesced.ini data stats would do the job
Pity that's how I did it.deadpixel92 wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Incidentally I just tested the Geth Pyro out. If Tangster's numbers were right I should have killed it in 3 body shots. It took FOUR.
Which raises the question, does anyone have access to a more accurate data sheet?
I guess checking the coalesced.ini data stats would do the job
Modifié par Tangster, 22 juin 2012 - 04:01 .
Is this counting armor damage reduction? (I'm not attacking your statement, just checking for pieces that could be missed. Seeing as I don't know what weapon, etc.)GodlessPaladin wrote...
Incidentally I just tested the Geth Pyro out. If Tangster's numbers were right I should have killed it in 3 body shots. It took FOUR.
Which raises the question, does anyone have access to a more accurate data sheet?
Yajuu Omoi wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
ryoldschool wrote...
deadpixel92 wrote...
ryoldschool wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Chriss5688 wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
I just empirically tested this and my results are not consistent with Eric Fagnan's answer. It would not be possible for me to one-shot a Geth Trooper with a Black Widow 6 with no equipment using a Salarian Engineer using Tactical Cloak and no other powers if there was not a multiplier being applied. And yet I can do it.
Salarian Engineer and Tactical Cloak? I assume you meant Salarian Infiltrator, yes?
Sorry, yes, I meant to say SALARIAN INFILTRATOR. My bad.
I can upload video proof of my empirical testing if desired.
Just a thought - where did you get the info on the health of the Geth trooper in your test, and also the damage per shot of your weapon? Could it be that these are in error - maybe those sources are not correct ( or if they are from the PC game, maybe not the same as xbox game ).
docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub
And where is that source? They can modify the values based on platform ( they said they did that in ME2 ).
Even if your outlandish enemy health theory was correct, it would not explain why I am losing what looks like 40% of my damage rather than 17% when I remove rank 6 tactical cloak from the equation. If it was additive, I would not go from bodying the enemy to them having 3 or 4 bars left.
dude...that spreadsheet is plain WRONG. a geth pyro has more armor than a geth trooper has health in the game. and the spreadsheet says the opposite. i can bosyshot a trooper with a REGULAR widow VII shot, but a bodyshot to a pyro after shields are gone leaves it with one bar.
just cuz a random person posts it online does NOT mean its correct.
DSxCallOfBooty- wrote...
My guess is that BioWare employees have no idea what they're doing. No idea of how TC works, and no idea how to fix ULM. Hopefully they'll get things sorted out soon, I'd like to play the game they intended to make.
Tangster wrote...
Pity that's how I did it.deadpixel92 wrote...
GodlessPaladin wrote...
Incidentally I just tested the Geth Pyro out. If Tangster's numbers were right I should have killed it in 3 body shots. It took FOUR.
Which raises the question, does anyone have access to a more accurate data sheet?
I guess checking the coalesced.ini data stats would do the job
Any and all changes to the MP are stored server side, don't have acess to them unless BW wishes to post them up. We only have access to the SP and DLC info.
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