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[Mozts]

Adhok42 wrote...

a ViciousFerret wrote...

CaptainTeabag wrote...

Can't believe how retarded some people are for wanting powers/weapons nerfed in a co-op only game.

By nerfing something you are only hurting ur overall chance to win.... retarded.

*insert eternal facepalm jpeg here*

I like how this guy has failed at basic reading comprehension.

And yet, he has a point.

A wrong one.

[a ViciousFerret]

Adhok42 wrote...

a ViciousFerret wrote...

CaptainTeabag wrote...

Can't believe how retarded some people are for wanting powers/weapons nerfed in a co-op only game.

By nerfing something you are only hurting ur overall chance to win.... retarded.

*insert eternal facepalm jpeg here*

I like how this guy has failed at basic reading comprehension.

And yet, he has a point.

He could take his "point" to another thread. This thread has nothing to so with nerfing the Tactical Cloak.

Modifié par a ViciousFerret, 22 juin 2012 - 06:47 .

[MartialArtsSurfer]

Cayse wrote...

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Now I really do wonder if it was supposed to be an additive bonus.

Everyone was expecting it to be additive, apparently even Bioware. Additive would be consistent with all other abilities.

That's why the "look at" TC. It has some bugs in its behavior that are obvious to just about everyone, and it also apparently has some pretty hard to nail down bugs.

ya, TC evolution 6 is the only ability in MP that's multiplicative

it seems Bioware intended it to be additive only ... it's understandable bug since all it takes is a misplaced parenthesis or wrong order to change additive to multiplicative, easy to do when typing it out in thousands of lines of code

[BjornDaDwarf]

MartialArtsSurfer wrote...

ya, TC evolution 6 is the only ability in MP that's multiplicative

it seems Bioware intended it to be additive only ... it's understandable bug since all it takes is a misplaced parenthesis or wrong order to change additive to multiplicative, easy to do when typing it out in thousands of lines of code

There are actually a few other multiplicative bonuses.  The only other multiplicative one that applies to the player is the Melee mod on Shotguns and Pistols.  All enemy debuffs technically are (ProxMine, Warp, TacScan).  But those make sense, they are debuffs. 

[Feauce]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

MartialArtsSurfer wrote...

ya, TC evolution 6 is the only ability in MP that's multiplicative

it seems Bioware intended it to be additive only ... it's understandable bug since all it takes is a misplaced parenthesis or wrong order to change additive to multiplicative, easy to do when typing it out in thousands of lines of code

There are actually a few other multiplicative bonuses.  The only other multiplicative one that applies to the player is the Melee mod on Shotguns and Pistols.  All enemy debuffs technically are (ProxMine, Warp, TacScan).  But those make sense, they are debuffs.

(Probably not the first to say this, but still wanted to add my two credits.)

Those are either weapon mods or abilities that modify enemy defenses. The former makes sense to apply before power bonuses, and the latter only indirectly affects damage output. I think the Cloak bonus was intended to be additive, and even if it wasn't, it should be.

[Sdrol117]

Adhok42 wrote...

a ViciousFerret wrote...

CaptainTeabag wrote...

Can't believe how retarded some people are for wanting powers/weapons nerfed in a co-op only game.

By nerfing something you are only hurting ur overall chance to win.... retarded.

*insert eternal facepalm jpeg here*

I like how this guy has failed at basic reading comprehension.

And yet, he has a point.

No he doesn't. I have no incentive to play as certain classes because they are so much more difficult to use, while people breeze through with infiltrators. it hurts the fun factor. It's not fun to have to try so hard knowing the other guy can facebook/******/infiltrate all at once and still make it look like i didnt do any work.

[peddroelm]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

MartialArtsSurfer wrote...

ya, TC evolution 6 is the only ability in MP that's multiplicative

it seems Bioware intended it to be additive only ... it's understandable bug since all it takes is a misplaced parenthesis or wrong order to change additive to multiplicative, easy to do when typing it out in thousands of lines of code

There are actually a few other multiplicative bonuses.  The only other multiplicative one that applies to the player is the Melee mod on Shotguns and Pistols.  All enemy debuffs technically are (ProxMine, Warp, TacScan).  But those make sense, they are debuffs.

I belive the geth bonus to geth weapons 10% is also applied to base weapon damage like rank 6 tactical cloak evolution ... 

An important aspect everybody seems to neglect is the fact that the modifiers that are applied to base damage - also affect damage done by ammo power (ammo power damage is calculated of updated base weapon damage)... So rank 6 evo nerf also lowers damage done by ammo power when firing sniper rifles from cloak ... Lowering the (already low) odds of the ammo power damage (which is applied prior to weapon damage) of removing shield/barrier and making it possbile for some shots to bypass shield gate ...(this assumes ammo consumables in MP are coded the same as ammo powers in SP)

Modifié par peddroelmz, 28 juin 2012 - 01:44 .

[peddroelm]

Poison_Berrie wrote...
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Actually the way it is worded it's added before the other bonuses. 
So it's:

(Base Damage * TC-Sniper Bonus (1.4)) * Other Bonuses (1 + 0.9 + Passives + Amps and Gear)

Not that it actually makes a difference, since they both are multipiers.

Where it does make a diffrence is when calculating ammo power damage ... Because TC-Sniper Bonus  is applied to base damage - it also increases damage done by ammo powers ... So by nerfing it - they also  (slightly) nerfed ammo power damage for sniper rifle shots fired from cloak ...

Modifié par peddroelmz, 28 juin 2012 - 01:50 .

[ryoldschool]

peddroelmz wrote...

Poison_Berrie wrote...
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Actually the way it is worded it's added before the other bonuses. 
So it's:

(Base Damage * TC-Sniper Bonus (1.4)) * Other Bonuses (1 + 0.9 + Passives + Amps and Gear)

Not that it actually makes a difference, since they both are multipiers.

Where it does make a diffrence is when calculating ammo power damage ... Because TC-Sniper Bonus  is applied to base damage - it also increases damage done by ammo powers ... So by nerfing it - they also  (slightly) nerfed ammo power damage for sniper rifle shots fired from cloak ...

Thanks for pointing this out.  Somebody misquoted you in another thread.

[ValorOfArms777]

head shots themselves have a 200% multiplier again did you guys forget to add that?