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[AlanC9]

Thanks, Ezlo86. Hmm... that's a lot, actually.

[CuriousArtemis]

Ezlo86 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

What recent games have the protagonist dying?

SPOILERS just in case

Well, of the top of my head

Red Dead Redemption
Modern Warfare 1 & 2
God of War 3
Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
Shadow of The Colossus (kinda)
Bioshock 2
Crisis Core FFVII

The protagonist of Halo:Reach also dies.

Guys, I guess I need to replay the game since I don't have a save prior to storming TIM's base.  That stinks. It's going to be a long, long time before I'm able to do that.

[AlanC9]

Doesn't the game put you back before Cronos Station after you win?

[diggisaur]

Yea if you complete the game it sets the autosave to before TIM's base. I think on the play through on the extended cut, it autosaves right before you beam up to the Citadel.

[Ezlo86]

motomotogirl wrote...

The protagonist of Halo:Reach also dies.

Guys, I guess I need to replay the game since I don't have a save prior to storming TIM's base.  That stinks. It's going to be a long, long time before I'm able to do that.

Where exactly is your last save?

[Natureguy85]

greggm2000 wrote...

The "completed game" save file is called NewGamePlusSave.pcsav, and will have a later timestamp than any of your other saves.

I'm not sure if you're seeing the EC content or not. If you didn't see the Normandy pick up your squadmates during the run to the beam, then you're not seeing the EC content. The way to make sure you will, is to play from right before the assault on the illusive man's base.... and I've read that in order for the EMS fix to take effect, you'll need to start from that point or earlier (I presume since I think that's when it reads it, in order to determine what it will show at the end)

When I complete, the new save and the autosave are back on the Normandy. The only way for me to go back is to load the "restart mission" which is from the beam after being blasted. 

On a side note, I've noticed I can fire the pistol while Shepard is getting up and it has an infinite magazine. Anyone else get these?

[BloodKite3067]

Good Job BioWare Team! Just finished all endings for the Extended cut and I am much happier. It is nice to know what my choices did now

[Lord Jaric]

My one major problem that I think Bioware at the very least needs to address is why we cannot bring up the quarians and geth if we succeeded in bringing them together. The catalyst itself failed to bring peace between synthetics and organics. But Shepard succeeded. I feel that Bioware could not have missed this option when they were making the EC, they were defiantly paying attention to what everyone was saying considering they put in that if you shoot the catalyst you chose to not go with the three options. If we cold of brought it up I feel it could of made for a good fifth ending. In which the reapers leave and Shepard lives (in which case it could of been the hardest one to get.)

So Bioware I ask you why didn’t include this? As I said I can’t see it being an oversight.

Modifié par Lord Jaric, 30 juin 2012 - 10:53 .

[Ezlo86]

Lord Jaric wrote...

My one major problem that I think Bioware at the very least needs to address is why we cannot bring up the quarians and geth if we succeeded in bringing them together. The catalyst itself failed to bring peace between synthetics and organics. But Shepard succeeded. I feel that Bioware could not have missed this option when they were making the EC, they were defiantly paying attention to what everyone was saying considering they put in that if you shoot the catalyst you chose to not go with the three options. If we cold of brought it up I feel it could of made for a good fifth ending. In which the reapers leave and Shepard lives (in which case it could of been the hardest one to get.)

So Bioware I ask you why didn’t include this? As I said I can’t see it being an oversight.

Consider that they released this in a little more than two months, and for free. If this came out in November costing 6,99, maybe. But BioWare would not change anything, they would still stick with this. As I said on a previous post, even if you had the option to argue with the little bastard about the quarians/geth, I would guess that he would simply say that such peace is not gonna last, or maybe give countless examples over the ages of how that's not gonna work, or just say that you are only a simple stupid mortal to understand anything.

[srg09]

been trying to figure out where i can DL the new ending from...NVM found it

Modifié par srg09, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:54 .

[JeffreyCor]

Psythorn wrote...
Still think that killing the hero of a video game is not creative, not artistic but just a lame try...It's overdone lately - I'm SICK of it...

Could not agree more!! There are a few games that, due to that very thing, have never played again. It makes the game itself a complete waste.
In a game/series like ME, there is no reason for there not to be at least a possiblity for surviving with the right choices. This is especailly true since in ME2 there was a suicide mission and existed in the game the possibility for each member, including Shepard, to live or die.

[DarkDoz]

Thank you to The Mass Effects Team

I completed ME3 for the 3rd time and this time I chose to go down the middle to have peace for all.
I like the ending more this time. I hope we will see ME4

Modifié par DarkDoz, 01 juillet 2012 - 06:11 .

[Andromidius]

Honestly, I didn't get any closure at all from the EC.

All I got was a few plugged plotholes, and then some new plotholes to replace them. And a slightly prettier end sequence.

And then the Breath scene again. Which is suggesting to me that this still isn't the end!

So where's this closure? Infact, where's the clarity? We still don't know how Synthesis works! We still don't know the true motives of the Reapers! We still don't know what happens to all our friends, or even to the individual races!

Mucho disappointed.

[Natureguy85]

Lord Jaric wrote...

My one major problem that I think Bioware at the very least needs to address is why we cannot bring up the quarians and geth if we succeeded in bringing them together. The catalyst itself failed to bring peace between synthetics and organics. But Shepard succeeded. I feel that Bioware could not have missed this option when they were making the EC, they were defiantly paying attention to what everyone was saying considering they put in that if you shoot the catalyst you chose to not go with the three options. If we cold of brought it up I feel it could of made for a good fifth ending. In which the reapers leave and Shepard lives (in which case it could of been the hardest one to get.)

So Bioware I ask you why didn’t include this? As I said I can’t see it being an oversight.

I agree somewhat. I like that they added the "Reject" ending where the cycle continues, but they should also have made a way to defeat the catalyst with a "Reject and win" ending.

Personally, I don't need a blatant "Shepard lives" ending because I feel I get it in the Extended "Destroy" ending. Now that the galaxy isn't completely screwed, Shepard breathing is enough for me. I know he gets back together with his surviving crew and gets to live in the rebuilt world.

While strange, I like the "control" ending too.  I like that Shepard gets to help and protect his friends, probably keeping a special, loving eye on his LI.

Now with the extension, for me the synthesis ending is a distant 3rd to the other two winning endings. It's just plain  weird and lame. I will say that it has the best crew scene however. I like that EDI hugs my LI (It was Tali for me) and has the line "and I will remember Shepard". The rest of that ending sucks.

I like that they let the Normandy gets repaired but the crash scene is still lame because the crew still have that stupid look on their faces like it's some great thing. I actually think they should have kept the scene of the Normandy in the relay the same. It was well done with the ship getting hit by the blast and the music getting dissonant right at that moment. It explained the crash but didn't rule out the ship being repaired.

Is it just me or is the music quieter? I love that piano piece.

[Trauma3x]

EC came on the heels of my 1st playthrough with Miranda as my sheps LI....what a letdown ( I have 4 saves per LI), seems that BW has no respect for players that picked ME2 LI's (or respect for the Characters themselves they seem just thrown in ME3 as cameo's except Mordin he was written right). I know one of the tags going into ME2 back in the day was "will your shep stay loyal to their first LI" interesting wrinkle; My shep 1st LI was Ash and she got killed on Virmire. So as far as I'm concerened He was loyal. Miri and Jack not being a member of the ME3 normandy crew (and it goes for Zaeed who remained on the citidal along with Jacob for half the game also Kasumi and Samara which makes no sense) and not even available for TIM Base and priority Earth is a huge disapointment. Both have been chased by Cerberus and would offer a great amount of info and Dialogue in TIM base. I've seen the various endings and Destroy ( I always pick that cause it's sort of what I want my Shep to do) should had a small reunite scene considering we got a full out Reaper Win (refuse ending which I respect b/c it's definite you lost) equally Destroy I feel is just incomplete. I don't want to be a Reaper....or a cyber spirit/DNA ... want an all out win....especially if this is the end of my sheps story

[johnj1979]

Why is there not paragon ending to Mass Effect 3

If you look at the now four ending of ME 3 there all renegade.

Ending 1: Controlling the Reapers – isn't that oppression of the Reapers so doesn't that make Shepard abit of a hypercritic after what Shepard saw with Quarians and the Geth

Ending 2: Synthesis – imposing a way of life on the universe

Ending 3: Destruction of synthetic life – committing genocide against synthetic so why help EDI and the Geth evolve and also why make peace with the Quarians and Geth

And now there’s a fourth ending: Do nothing – let the Reapers win, let Shepard commit genocide on a galaxy level

I don’t know about anyone else but isn’t this what a paragon Shepard is fighting to try to stop, so with these ending what was the point of stopping Sovereign in ME 1. Also what was the point of stopping the Collector in ME 2 from killing humans if that the only options in the final chapter oppression, genocide or imposing a way life on people why then is Shepard so opposed to the Reaper when with these endings Shepard is no better than the Reapers.

So I ask again why is there no paragon ending to the Mass Effect story.

Modifié par johnj1979, 01 juillet 2012 - 02:59 .

[Ezlo86]

johnj1979 wrote...

Why is there not paragon ending to Mass Effect 3

If you look at the now four ending of ME 3 there all renegade.

Ending 1: Controlling the Reapers – isn't that oppression of the Reapers so doesn't that make Shepard abit of a hypercritic after what Shepard saw with Quarians and the Geth

Ending 2: Synthesis – imposing a way of life on the universe

Ending 3: Destruction of synthetic life – committing genocide against synthetic so why help EDI and the Geth evolve and also why make peace with the Quarians and Geth

And now there’s a fourth ending: Do nothing – let the Reapers win, let Shepard commit genocide on a galaxy level

I don’t know about anyone else but isn’t this what a paragon Shepard is fighting to try to stop, so with these ending what was the point of stopping Sovereign in ME 1. Also what was the point of stopping the Collector in ME 2 from killing humans if that the only options in the final chapter oppression, genocide or imposing a way life on people why then is Shepard so opposed to the Reaper when with these endings Shepard is no better than the Reapers.

So I ask again why is there no paragon ending to the Mass Effect story.

I think the geth and EDI are a small price to pay if you want life to go on it's course without any inteference. Getting rid of the Reapers lets you have nature back to it's normal self, how is that not good?

Modifié par Ezlo86, 01 juillet 2012 - 03:47 .

[gumbynovice]

I was on the fence regarding how the original ending panned out. It stuck in my craw how the catalyst was a deus ex machina that tried too hard to explain the Reapers' intentions far too late in the game. A blogger on Kotaku said it better than I. He likened the problem to a similar thing that happened to other great franchises (Star Wars and the Force symbiotes, The second and third Matrix movies and the Architect and Revamped Battlestar Galactica's ending to name a few). A situation where a long running, well-told story is circumvented by folks trying to explain something that shouldn't or doesn't need to be explained.

At any rate, I didn't feel like I was owed anything by the developers of the game, so I shrugged my shoulders at it and carried on with my other hobbies. However, I found the extended cut dlc to answer the questions that bothered me regarding the fate of the universe after I made my choices. I was happy to see a slightly less bleak fate for the characters you come to adore if you are a Paragon-minded player who chose control or synthesis. I am saving destruction for a full playthrough of a hardcore renegade Shepard from ME and ME2 now...

A big thank you to all the people who are involved with this franchise. I wasn't expecting anything because the game was fantastic regardless of how I felt about the ending. I'm looking forward to the future content that may come about regarding this game, but I am even more excited for new IP you guys have in the works.

[johnj1979]

Ezlo86 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

Why is there not paragon ending to Mass Effect 3

If you look at the now four ending of ME 3 there all renegade.

Ending 1: Controlling the Reapers – isn't that oppression of the Reapers so doesn't that make Shepard abit of a hypercritic after what Shepard saw with Quarians and the Geth

Ending 2: Synthesis – imposing a way of life on the universe

Ending 3: Destruction of synthetic life – committing genocide against synthetic so why help EDI and the Geth evolve and also why make peace with the Quarians and Geth

And now there’s a fourth ending: Do nothing – let the Reapers win, let Shepard commit genocide on a galaxy level

I don’t know about anyone else but isn’t this what a paragon Shepard is fighting to try to stop, so with these ending what was the point of stopping Sovereign in ME 1. Also what was the point of stopping the Collector in ME 2 from killing humans if that the only options in the final chapter oppression, genocide or imposing a way life on people why then is Shepard so opposed to the Reaper when with these endings Shepard is no better than the Reapers.

So I ask again why is there no paragon ending to the Mass Effect story.

I think the geth and EDI are a small price to pay if you want life to go on it's course without any inteference. Getting rid of the Reapers lets you have nature back to it's normal self, how is that not good?

So it is a case of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but then why have that path because isn’t Shepard fighting for all life no matter what form it takes.

[Ezlo86]

johnj1979 wrote...

So it is a case of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but then why have that path because isn’t Shepard fighting for all life no matter what form it takes.

Indeed he is, but that doesn't mean everyone will escape unharmed. The geth can be rebuild, and if Shepard is really alive at end of the Destroy ending, the whole galaxy will want to know what happened up there, so he'll tell people to treat synthetics properly for now on. That's what I think, anyway.

The only "bad" ending in my opinion is the Synthesis one, which to me is an abomination, a lobotomized atrocity that I will reject forever. Those Reapers f*ckers will die, or do exactly as I say, that little brat will never decide what is best for the galaxy ever again.

Modifié par Ezlo86, 01 juillet 2012 - 04:50 .

[johnj1979]

Ezlo86 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

So it is a case of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but then why have that path because isn’t Shepard fighting for all life no matter what form it takes.

Indeed he is, but that doesn't mean everyone will escape unharmed. The geth can be rebuild, and if Shepard is really alive at end of the Destroy ending, the whole galaxy will want to know what happened up there, so he'll tell people to treat synthetics properly for now on. That's what I think, anyway.

The only "bad" ending in my opinion is the Synthesis one, which to me is an abomination, a lobotomized atrocity that I will reject forever. Those Reapers f*ckers will die, or do exactly as I say, that little brat will never decide what is best for the galaxy ever again.

But the player doesn't know that the Geth and EDI programs survive the destruction and Shepard surviving is yet another unknown because the player doesn’t know what happens after the breath.

[ddraigcoch123]

outstanding.... i think the 3 options of the endings were the only way to go and gave a philosophical challenge based on the series... it was never going to be an easy end...
the extended dlc really does give more context and clearer consequences for each choice... i also really appreciated the opportunity to have a final word with my love interest (liara) and showing how i saved my squadmates... i came to mass effect late guys played me2 once i realised i wanted to play me3 when i came out (now played all 3)... totally awesome... a universe i am really happy to be part of and really dont want to leave... so only request from me is... please please please can we have an ME4 (whatever form that may take)... please more books to keep us going till the new game... but defo more dlc for ME3... sorry.. just well impressed with the whole thing... and dont forget BW if nobody cared they wouldnt be so vocal about what they would have preferred you did

[Ezlo86]

johnj1979 wrote...

Ezlo86 wrote...

johnj1979 wrote...

So it is a case of the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, but then why have that path because isn’t Shepard fighting for all life no matter what form it takes.

Indeed he is, but that doesn't mean everyone will escape unharmed. The geth can be rebuild, and if Shepard is really alive at end of the Destroy ending, the whole galaxy will want to know what happened up there, so he'll tell people to treat synthetics properly for now on. That's what I think, anyway.

The only "bad" ending in my opinion is the Synthesis one, which to me is an abomination, a lobotomized atrocity that I will reject forever. Those Reapers f*ckers will die, or do exactly as I say, that little brat will never decide what is best for the galaxy ever again.

But the player doesn't know that the Geth and EDI programs survive the destruction and Shepard surviving is yet another unknown because the player doesn’t know what happens after the breath.

EDI and the geth don't survive, they die. EDI is not around on the Normandy, and you don't see any geth in the epilogue. But, in exchange for their sacrifice, now everybody is finally free, and I think that's ok. They can be rebuild, and people will start treating synthetics with respect now, thanks to Shepard. As for the breath scene, well, he gasps for air, he's alive alright. I don't think you need everything completely spelled out for you, especially in science fiction.

Modifié par Ezlo86, 01 juillet 2012 - 05:09 .