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[sheppard7]

Played it on 360 from the point of the Citadel:The Return. I didn't have a save right before the Cerebus base autocreated like they said I supposed to. But I saw the differences. Even got the breath scene as normally before.

But while what we got was better than before, it adds another plot hole to the breath scene. SPOILER ALERT

But if the remaining crew of the Normandy has time to do the repairs to the Normandy to take off, I would thing that takes serious time had passed and not a mere few minutes. So was a dead Shep laying there for months then takes a breath?

[Nephilim5]

saracen16 wrote...

No. The EC is BioWare giving you what you, the fans, wanted.

I'm not sure to what fans you refer.  If that be the fans in Mongolia who'd never seen an effective plot, then yes, you are correct.

No offense to any Mongolians here.  I just wanted to use an analogy that might connect with the planet that the OP was from.

[majinclos]

THE EC WAS BETTER =)

[Erghiez06]

saracen16 wrote...

Huntress wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

...Yeah.. My advice, watch the endings, then sell your game. This Extended Cut is basically BioWare spitting in your face. I actually had high hopes for this.

No. The EC is BioWare giving you what you, the fans, wanted.

Lies! players wanted a new end or somethign that made sense, we got NOTHING but foolish talks with a hologram that so many many players wanted gone, the truth is we got more of nothing and I am glad is free for all to get and see that nothing had changed, they just added more... to it.

Whose ending is it again? Yours? Or the people who actually wrote the story?

Get off your high chair and get something called commonsense.

Stop defending garbage. The entire property belongs to shareholders. Anyone on this forum could pay i just under $15 at this moment and legitimately own a piece of EA. 

Any good company follows the direction or trends that their consumers direct. The company may retain the properties or rights to a product, but owning a marketed product is for naught if you have no one to market it to, or if your core fan-base has lost faith in you.

[Tali Nar Shepahard vas normandy]

More. Romantic reunion please!

[Huma1978]

Just watched the Synthesis and Control ending...

Synthesis... I haven't stopped laughing about it. Not gonna spoil it for anyone, just I found it particularly hilarious.

Control... Honestly, reminded me of your standard, stereotypical Sci Fi ending ala Star Trek (watch Wrath of Kahn... the ending is similar in some aspects... and that's all I'm gonna say).Yes, still laughing over that one too!

Haven't done the Destroy Good ending yet, the one where there's the extra footage of someone in N7 armor taking a breath amid rubble (which we've all seen thanks to Youtube) as my last save game is saved before the second last Priority mission, to ensure I have the Galactic Readiness at 100% etc... tbh, I really don't feel like going back to it and playing all the way through to the end and watch the 'extended ending'.

All in all, I'm not disappointed per se... rather I do have to commend BioWare for giving me a good laugh. I'll stick with my fanfic and the ending I have planned for it and consider that to be the ending to MY Shepard's story... as after seeing what we have now, (and I don't care what anyone says about fanfics not being canon etc... the Shepard in my fanfic, IS my Shepard in the game, ergo she's mine) I'm going to make one which does justice to her and her crew... all imo that is.

Final opinion of the 'Extended Ending'.... a good laugh.

[Erghiez06]

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

...Yeah.. My advice, watch the endings, then sell your game. This Extended Cut is basically BioWare spitting in your face. I actually had high hopes for this.

No. The EC is BioWare giving you what you, the fans, wanted.

The fans wanted a sensible ending to begin with. This is just BioWare trying to repair the damage they themselves had created. 

What "damage"? To you, it's damage, but I thought that the endings were fine just the way they were and are, as do many people out there. For the devs, it's THEIR story, THEIR ending. That they made an Extended Cut at all comes to show you that they do listen to their fans. Next time you make your own video game and fans are in an uproar over YOUR endings, I'll be sure to bring this example up.

When McDonalds markets their products it is still subject to scrutiny. When they screw up an order, it is just good customer service to fix/replace/repair their mistake. Not doing so is bad customer service and can cause irrepairable damage in the long run. I paid for a product that came with a guarantee. I delivered my money, but BioWare did not live up to their end of the bargain.

Their ending, and their story are whatever their consumers say it is. Without you, or me, or anyone else on this forum, BioWare is nothing. Argue it all you want, but the default endings are non-sensible garbage. The EC DLC is a scapegoat so they can argue that they actually tried to do something and that they 'listen' to their fans. They wouldn't be the first company to do this, and they wont be the last.

BioWare did not listen to their fanbase. The fans wanted a new end, a restructured ending, or an additional ending option that didn't suck. Instead we get additional content to explain an ending saturated with so much bull**** that the extra bull**** added only makes it worse.

McDonald's and BioWare are 2 different companies with 2 different purposes. To impose your demands on what others want is not only self-entitled whining, but also unfair.

Sure they are two completely different companies but their purpose is the same. Making money is the entirety of that purpose. That is their one and only goal. Keeping their consumer base happy is how they meet that goal.

I never once demanded anything other than what I had paid for. Go read the promises that Dr. Ray and Casey Hudson had made prior to the release of ME3, then come back and tell me that I am wrong to want what I paid for. Until then go find a bridge to troll. 

[cortes007]

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

...Yeah.. My advice, watch the endings, then sell your game. This Extended Cut is basically BioWare spitting in your face. I actually had high hopes for this.

No. The EC is BioWare giving you what you, the fans, wanted.

The fans wanted a sensible ending to begin with. This is just BioWare trying to repair the damage they themselves had created. 

What "damage"? To you, it's damage, but I thought that the endings were fine just the way they were and are, as do many people out there. For the devs, it's THEIR story, THEIR ending. That they made an Extended Cut at all comes to show you that they do listen to their fans. Next time you make your own video game and fans are in an uproar over YOUR endings, I'll be sure to bring this example up.

Sure they can. But they can't expect to finance THEIR story with MY money. I am sure as hell not going to buy anything from the future Mass Effect franchise for at least 10 years, and I am representing quite a lot of my friends, when I say this:
They did not listen to the fans. We wanted the PLOTHOLES FIXED. Well... didn't happen. On the contrary.
We put trust, money and emotions in Bioware and now we feel betrayed. Not happening again.

[Athlov]

I think it's wonderful. I just watched one of the endings on youtube. It's got the closure I wanted. I think some people are just hell-bent on hating it no matter what, and others are afraid of saying how much they like it, because they are afraid that the haters will tare them up. Once again, I have to say, I enjoyed the extended endings.

[fluffywalrus]

Erghiez06 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

...Yeah.. My advice, watch the endings, then sell your game. This Extended Cut is basically BioWare spitting in your face. I actually had high hopes for this.

No. The EC is BioWare giving you what you, the fans, wanted.

The fans wanted a sensible ending to begin with. This is just BioWare trying to repair the damage they themselves had created. 

The problem is that with so many gamers having played ME3, there's a lot of differing ideas over what's sensible, and what's acceptable.

I mean, myself and my roommate are polar opposites when it comes to this, and I've seen enough evidence to know what there are many camps of people out there who feel differently about the endings. I know I would never buy a Bioware game going forward if they had implemented Indoctrination Theory into ME3. That, to me, would be an immense slap in the face, whereas my roommate would probably declare an annual holiday in Bioware's honor.
I just want some minor aspects explained and the ability to reject the starchild, and perhaps a small bit including my LI, while my rooommate would probably be furious and would swear off Bioware if such an ending was given.

There are a lot of camps. "Sensible" doesn't really hold a consistent value right now

[Spiritwolf1]

You are correct, sensible is in the eye of the beholder

[Erghiez06]

Just a list of "Promises and Guarantees" that BioWare had made in the event that anyone should question my source.

http://social.biowar...index/10056886/

[HardlinePrune13]

Well, this is just fantastic - I downloaded it (took forever I guess because everyone was downloading it at the same time), installed it, and played from my Legend Save, before the Cerberus attack mission - and there were NO DIFFERENCES whatsoever. Even though my Game Info says that Extended Cut is enabled. Guess the install was bugged. Thanks Bioware for wasting 5 hours of my life - I get the joy of downloading ANOTHER 2 gigs and playing through the ending game.. yay! =)

[EddekFZ]

When does the DLC come live? I' can't see it on Origin yet...

[Huma1978]

Just watched the Destroy ending... and like the others, I was laughing. I was hoping these extended endings would reignite my interest in Mass Effect 3, but alas, they haven't. I have no interest in even going back to Mass Effect 2 and work on the Insanity achievement anymore... and while the multiplayer mode is entertaining, unless BW do something to get people to stay, they'll lose people there as well (as there are plenty other games with MP modes in them available/on the way).

[sheppard7]

Okay, I missed it. There was one called Autosave with a couple of hours less play time. I guess I was supposed to use that one from the "full effect" of the EC. But you can get a lot of the ending change just restarting the mission The Citadel:The Return which is just the time you face Marauder Shields then talk to TIM then Starchild but I did not see a Refusal option this way so might be because of my redoing from the wrong spot. /shrug

As for the LI holding on to Shep's name plate scene, did Anderson's name appear no matter what happened with him for everyone?

[saracen16]

Erghiez06 wrote...

Sure they are two completely different companies but their purpose is the same

I'm sorry, but that's bull****. McDonald's exist to feed junk food to the masses. BioWare exists to write their own stories and share them with whoever wants to buy them. In a capitalist society, no two companies are the same in spite of having the common goal of making money. That's a ****ing given. Why are you so concerned about them losing money? Why not just get a refund or sell your game?

[RamilVenoard]

cortes007 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

...Yeah.. My advice, watch the endings, then sell your game. This Extended Cut is basically BioWare spitting in your face. I actually had high hopes for this.

No. The EC is BioWare giving you what you, the fans, wanted.

The fans wanted a sensible ending to begin with. This is just BioWare trying to repair the damage they themselves had created. 

What "damage"? To you, it's damage, but I thought that the endings were fine just the way they were and are, as do many people out there. For the devs, it's THEIR story, THEIR ending. That they made an Extended Cut at all comes to show you that they do listen to their fans. Next time you make your own video game and fans are in an uproar over YOUR endings, I'll be sure to bring this example up.

Sure they can. But they can't expect to finance THEIR story with MY money. I am sure as hell not going to buy anything from the future Mass Effect franchise for at least 10 years, and I am representing quite a lot of my friends, when I say this:
They did not listen to the fans. We wanted the PLOTHOLES FIXED. Well... didn't happen. On the contrary.
We put trust, money and emotions in Bioware and now we feel betrayed. Not happening again.

I haven't gotten to play it yet, but in the case that I am dissapointed, and it seems highly likely from all the negative feedback, I will NEVER again purchase a BioWare product. Period. Time to move on to smaller, better game developers.

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

Sure they are two completely different companies but their purpose is the same

I'm
sorry, but that's bull****. McDonald's exist to feed junk food to the
masses. BioWare exists to write their own stories and share them with
whoever wants to buy them. In a capitalist society, no two companies are
the same in spite of having the common goal of making money. That's a
****ing given. Why are you so concerned about them losing money? Why not
just get a refund or sell your game?

Hate to say it, but you clearly have no perception of economics or contract law. (Not that BioWare or EA broke the law in any way shape or form. Not what I'm saying.)

Party A promises to deliver X for which Party B will compensate Party A a predetermined amount.  Party B does so, and Party A then delivers Y instead of X.

That works for BOTH McDonald's (which is beyond friggen' nasty, btw) and a game development company.

Party A              Party B         X                                                      Y
McDonalds      You               Hamburger                                   Chicken Sandwich
EAware             You               Mass Effect (as promised)       Mass Effect (as delivered)

Either way you look at it, both companies generate revenue by delivering X to the consumers....

Modifié par RamilVenoard, 26 juin 2012 - 02:27 .

[Silverfan]

 Okay, heres the ordeal. They mentioned from the beginning that they were extending the ending in the first place. Considering the fact that they even said they knew it wouldn't make everyone happy should've been a sign.

 They could've just ignored the cries and rolled in money but decided to attempt and make a better ending even after all the issues they had in the past from leaks that forced an ending change to schedule problems. Just constant complaining ONLY shows how pathetic a fanbase can be where instead of being supportive and learn to appreciate that they [BW] took the time to try and make it better where most companies would flat out ignore the fanbase.

[Optimus J]

Just watched Synthesis in Youtube and I'm sick and angry. Except for EDI that got even cooler in EC, the rest is so simplified and full of stills replacing animations, that my low expectations were completely right. Looks like a 6 years old wrote that.

Well, at least EDI is one improvement.

[saracen16]

cortes007 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

...Yeah.. My advice, watch the endings, then sell your game. This Extended Cut is basically BioWare spitting in your face. I actually had high hopes for this.

No. The EC is BioWare giving you what you, the fans, wanted.

The fans wanted a sensible ending to begin with. This is just BioWare trying to repair the damage they themselves had created. 

What "damage"? To you, it's damage, but I thought that the endings were fine just the way they were and are, as do many people out there. For the devs, it's THEIR story, THEIR ending. That they made an Extended Cut at all comes to show you that they do listen to their fans. Next time you make your own video game and fans are in an uproar over YOUR endings, I'll be sure to bring this example up.

Sure they can. But they can't expect to finance THEIR story with MY money. I am sure as hell not going to buy anything from the future Mass Effect franchise for at least 10 years, and I am representing quite a lot of my friends, when I say this:
They did not listen to the fans. We wanted the PLOTHOLES FIXED. Well... didn't happen. On the contrary.
We put trust, money and emotions in Bioware and now we feel betrayed. Not happening again.

What "plot holes"? Everyone keeps throwing those phrases around to the extent that many are making strawmen out of supposed "plot holes". So, why not ask for a refund or demand it?

[cafecacao]

Anyone knows when the Extended Cut will be available in Origin, European time??? Specifically in Finland and for PC... I'm still waiting since hours and nothing!!!

[saracen16]

fluffywalrus wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

...Yeah.. My advice, watch the endings, then sell your game. This Extended Cut is basically BioWare spitting in your face. I actually had high hopes for this.

No. The EC is BioWare giving you what you, the fans, wanted.

The fans wanted a sensible ending to begin with. This is just BioWare trying to repair the damage they themselves had created. 

The problem is that with so many gamers having played ME3, there's a lot of differing ideas over what's sensible, and what's acceptable.

I mean, myself and my roommate are polar opposites when it comes to this, and I've seen enough evidence to know what there are many camps of people out there who feel differently about the endings. I know I would never buy a Bioware game going forward if they had implemented Indoctrination Theory into ME3. That, to me, would be an immense slap in the face, whereas my roommate would probably declare an annual holiday in Bioware's honor.
I just want some minor aspects explained and the ability to reject the starchild, and perhaps a small bit including my LI, while my rooommate would probably be furious and would swear off Bioware if such an ending was given.

There are a lot of camps. "Sensible" doesn't really hold a consistent value right now

Exactly. BioWare can't satisfy everyone, and they also have a story to make. If everyone pitched in to make BioWare's own story, it will be bland and insipid... not to mention that I don't want some lazy fanboy's own contrived ending shoved down my throat.

[Erghiez06]

saracen16 wrote...

Erghiez06 wrote...

Sure they are two completely different companies but their purpose is the same

I'm sorry, but that's bull****. McDonald's exist to feed junk food to the masses. BioWare exists to write their own stories and share them with whoever wants to buy them. In a capitalist society, no two companies are the same in spite of having the common goal of making money. That's a ****ing given. Why are you so concerned about them losing money? Why not just get a refund or sell your game?

I cant believe that I am going to actually try and argue this... Why do you think McDonalds feeds junk food to people? Its not because they enjoy watching people get fat? I am sure that is just a biproduct of their intended goal, but their intentions are to make money. Plain and simple.

BioWare writes stories and shares them with people through SALES. So in essence they are SELLING their stories with people. Again, selling is how they make money. With simple deduction you can determine that BioWare also is in the habit of making money. They aren't doing it for free now are they?

The basis for my argument isn't about refunding or selling my game. If I wanted a refund I'd have to take this to the Federal Trade Commission, but it looks like someone already beat me to the punch there.

At any rate, I am just going to hand you over this argument because its about as productive as a circle jerk trying to promote perpetual motion. That and I have no business on these forums after watching this abomination a second time.

[CaleileBy]

This new ending made the original one even more disconnected and illogical. The final scene where an old man and a child talk about shepard semmed to have place on the planet Normandy crashed on and the man and the child are the descendants of normandy's crew (at least it seemed that way). But in these new endings we see normandy taking off but the final conversation between the old man and the child still takes place on that damn planet. It just provves bioware had no idea what they were doing with original ending. They tried to fill the gaps in it but still failed.