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[Mendelevosa]

Gold was not made for infiltrators to blow through it with little difficulty. Gold is meant to be very challenging for all classes, including infiltrators. Near invisibility and a 130% bonus damage rating voids the challenge that gold is supposed to bring. People argue that they only use infiltrators on gold because they are very gold viable. But that is just it. No class is supposed to be very effective on gold. Way too many people play as infiltrators on gold which already shows how imbalanced the classes are. This difficulty is for those who want a challenge, not for those who desire to speedrun through gold for credits.

Also, people argue that all classes should be buffed to the same level as infiltrators. There is one problem with that, which I expressed in the above paragraph. If all classes get buffed to the infiltrator's level, then gold will become too easy not just for infiltrators, but for all the other classes as well. Gold would end up being a joke just to be used for credit farming. 


Conclusively, the nerf to tactical cloak can possibly make gold to be the challenge that it should. Arguing for a booost for all classes to be gold viable is like asking Bioware to buff all classes on single player to make insanity playthroughs a breeze.

NOTE: This is just an opinion of mine which is based on what I believe the developers are thinking in regards to the power. No need to flame.

Modifié par Mendelevosa, 22 juin 2012 - 07:25 .

[ZombieGambit]

Right, because Tactical Cloak automatically makes you a god on Gold. Skill doesn't matter, just equip an Infiltrator and win.

[-Event-Horizon-]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Right, because Tactical Cloak automatically makes you a god on Gold. Skill doesn't matter, just equip an Infiltrator and win.

Pretty much, all i have to do is stand in the middle of a room, shoot and win, easy as that

[Pugz82]

LOL ok dude. Infiltrators in the hands of "good" people at this game are deadly, the rest of the people who use them suck balls at gold. I just had one on my team who was completely useless. I got instakilled by a phantom on wave 8 and watched him the rest of the round...he was running around with a geth smg...a GETH SMG. WTF...being chased by an atlas, 2 phantoms, a engineer, and 3 nemises...why not use a rocket, oh no...I will use my smg. pew pew pew

People who already suck with that class will now suck even more. btw I had double his score in wave 8...but yes, Infil's are so OP.

[Deathshroud09]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Right, because Tactical Cloak automatically makes you a god on Gold. Skill doesn't matter, just equip an Infiltrator and win.

right.....try playing with someone using a low-level infiltrator, with a high level sniper rifle on gold.....and tell me its not a little broken.

Krysae was ok on other classes, it gibs on infiltratiors. It was a fun human soldier gun, and had some interesting combo's with his adrenaline rush, as alot of other guns do.

[Feneckus]

Pugz82 wrote...

LOL ok dude. Infiltrators in the hands of "good" people at this game are deadly, the rest of the people who use them suck balls at gold.

That's irrelevant. Those who suck with infiltrators would probably be ten times worse with a sentinel/vanguard/soldier. Infiltrators are the only reason they can play on gold because they're so OP they allow you to play at a level that's not yours.

I've seen plenty of people score like 40k, then next game they switch to an infiltrator and they magically end up with 100+k.

[ZombieGambit]

Deathshroud09 wrote...

ZombieGambit wrote...

Right, because Tactical Cloak automatically makes you a god on Gold. Skill doesn't matter, just equip an Infiltrator and win.

right.....try playing with someone using a low-level infiltrator, with a high level sniper rifle on gold.....and tell me its not a little broken.

Krysae was ok on other classes, it gibs on infiltratiors. It was a fun human soldier gun, and had some interesting combo's with his adrenaline rush, as alot of other guns do.

A low leveled Infiltrator with a high level sniper rifles has to be someone who's played a lot. I'm a regular player and I don't have a high level rare or ultra rare and I'm good enough to play Gold.

Your whole argument is basically Skill + Weapon + class = OP, which is useless.

[Shadow Shep]

ZombieGambit wrote...

A low leveled Infiltrator with a high level sniper rifles has to be someone who's played a lot...

Not necessarily.  The thing about RNG is that it's,well, random.  There are also people who pay real money, and weekend events.  

[Pugz82]

OP to the next level

 

[WizenSlinky0]

I've played plenty of gold matches with infiltrators. Who normally die faster than I do. The fact is, most infiltrators are terrible. Cloak is a hit or miss when it comes to saving you and shield-gate sucks up most of your damage bonus for everything except bosses. Cloak won't save a bad infiltrator. It'll keep them alive a bit longer and then they'll go down anyway.

I really don't care if they get nerfed. Yes, it's my favorite class. Yes, I'll keep playing it. I'll just be less useful to my team now at taking down bosses. Won't be my problem. But I do find it rather hilarious when infiltrators are called OP constantly and yet I see them dying faster than the rest of the team 8 out of 10 times.

[Cloaking_Thane]

I just carried a team with 140,000 points on gold as an infiltrator, who's mad?

[Pugz82]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

I've played plenty of gold matches with infiltrators. Who normally die faster than I do. The fact is, most infiltrators are terrible. Cloak is a hit or miss when it comes to saving you and shield-gate sucks up most of your damage bonus for everything except bosses. Cloak won't save a bad infiltrator. It'll keep them alive a bit longer and then they'll go down anyway.

I really don't care if they get nerfed. Yes, it's my favorite class. Yes, I'll keep playing it. I'll just be less useful to my team now at taking down bosses. Won't be my problem. But I do find it rather hilarious when infiltrators are called OP constantly and yet I see them dying faster than the rest of the team 8 out of 10 times.

Exactly...people who suck at this game mostly play Infiltrators and they usually suck even more.  Put an Infiltrator in the hands of a skilled person and then yes, they will have all the points.  Oh noesssss...nerffff!!!

[Antaresss]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Gold was not made for infiltrators to blow through it with little difficulty. Gold is meant to be very challenging for all classes, including infiltrators. Near invisibility and a 130% bonus damage rating voids the challenge that gold is supposed to bring. People argue that they only use infiltrators on gold because they are very gold viable. But that is just it. No class is supposed to be very effective on gold. Way too many people play as infiltrators on gold which already shows how imbalanced the classes are. This difficulty is for those who want a challenge, not for those who desire to speedrun through gold for credits.

Also, people argue that all classes should be buffed to the same level as infiltrators. There is one problem with that, which I expressed in the above paragraph. If all classes get buffed to the infiltrator's level, then gold will become too easy not just for infiltrators, but for all the other classes as well. Gold would end up being a joke just to be used for credit farming. 


Conclusively, the nerf to tactical cloak can possibly make gold to be the challenge that it should. Arguing for a booost for all classes to be gold viable is like asking Bioware to buff all classes on single player to make insanity playthroughs a breeze.

Look, dude I feel the same way about Infiltrators being too imba on every difficulty. But then I see how the players with less skill than mine are doing and I realize, Infiltrator is not imba in combination with every player. Actually it's imba when it is combined with very few players. If you feel it's too easy for you with infiltrator on gold, just play with a different class, or a different weapon. You don't need the devs to nerf things for you when you are bored. You can nerf them pretty well by yourself 

[TheExile1]

ZombieGambit wrote...

Right, because Tactical Cloak automatically makes you a god on Gold. Skill doesn't matter, just equip an Infiltrator and win.

Pretty much. I know sarcasm was seething in there, but if you know to aim gun to hit a enemy with even a body shot, they're dead.

Modifié par TheExile1, 22 juin 2012 - 03:49 .

[InfamousResult]

Bad players don't make a class not OP.

The class is OP. It makes Gold easier than the other classes. While there are people who can use other classes better, and there are people who can't use the Infiltrator well, it doesn't change that key aspect. That's why people flock to the Infiltrator class- because it is inherently more powerful, and inherently easier.

Yes. Easier than classes that auto-target enemies. That's saying something.

Modifié par InfamousResult, 22 juin 2012 - 03:46 .

[Pugz82]

Ok...I will make sure to post up all my gold games with Infiltrators here today. Can bet my sentinel has more points lol.

[DNC Protoman]

Pugz82 wrote...

OP to the next level

 

lol sorry nerfer, you can't save your TC by taking a pic of a scrubs score.

[Pugz82]

Ah shucks...a random gold game with no Infiltrators. Guess that means an automatic fail, might as well quit since I don't have the OP god on my team.

[Schneemann]

Gold with 4 infiltrators is not easier than Gold with 4 adepts or engineers.

[TheExile1]

Pugz82 wrote...

OP to the next level

 

Your posting a noob's score on firebase white to justify? LOL

That hardly doesn't make it OP.

[ntrisley]

Rocket launchers make Gold too easy.

I vote we nerf rocket launchers!

[Pugz82]

TheExile1 wrote...

Pugz82 wrote...

OP to the next level

 

Your posting a noob's score on firebase white to justify? LOL

That hardly doesn't make it OP.

Actually it was unknown/unknown lol...so yea, genius.

[Kronner]

People who think that Infiltrators are significantly better than other classes should learn to play the game.

Yes, Cloak is the best overall power in the game. However, you can match/come close to Infiltrator's damage output/team contribution, but that requires you to be a good player, so it is not surprising that BSN just cries and does nothing else.

Modifié par Kronner, 22 juin 2012 - 04:09 .

[InfamousResult]

Kronner wrote...

learn to play the game

hurr hurr no u

[ntrisley]

Also, I should add this statement.

Gold isn't challenging. It's laborious.

There's a mistaken idea that it presents a "challenge". There is nothing unique to the difficulty level that you have to do beyond the other difficulties.
The enemies just have more health/defenses and damage.

What that means is there's an artificial perception of "ease" for performing upon these higher difficulty levels.
If Infiltrators are one of the few classes which can perform upon this more laborious levels of difficulty, there is something wrong with the other classes. classes should not be relegated to specific difficulty levels without certain combinations of gear/consumables/weapons.