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[Chealec]

COLZ7R wrote...

@chealec
didnt think i mentioned not having balance anywhere, have said that balancing a game round a tiny % of people who farm for credits is wrong, rrg is full of a lot of different classes fbwgg is full of infs, think you will find if tc gets nerffed fbwgg farmers will just go back to the biotic bommer ways of old then the 30% on gold will be adepts, cycle of nerf calls starts again

OK - fair enough ... I'm generally fairly well aligned with the "balance" crowd and I get so bored of people just labelling us nerfers, or stating that balance makes everything the same...

I think most of the pro-balance mob are generally NOT FBW/G/G farmers (personally if I land in that lobby I always leave, I'll do it if it comes up in unknown / unknown / gold as the classes won't be optimised for Geth smashing then and it makes things a little more interesting, but I won't look for it) - most people seem to generally agree that TC is THE single most useful skill in the game, granted something has to be, but if everyone pretty much agrees it's the same thing, then that thing might be worth looking at... if there was a lot of debate over which skill or class is "the best" then you can be fairly sure that everything is fairly well balanced.

Yes some weapons or classes will always be better than others, but there really shouldn't be one stand-out class, build or weapon that is head and shoulders above the rest; for instance, factoring everything in including rarity and weight, the Mantis isn't a bad sniper rifle - using it doesn't completely cripple newbies who've only got that rifle to X.

If I was looking at balance now, there are more things I would buff than nerf - the main things I'd consider nerfing slightly would be the Krysae (break the TC synergy on it and remove proxy detonation), the Reegar (make it incompatible with Armour Piercing and maybe headshots) and tweak the Grenade Capacity gear (so that level 1 gives 1 extra grenade, level 2 gives 1 grenade and automatically "reloads" one grenade at the start of a wave ... up to level 5 giving 3 extra grenades and "reloading" 2).

As for buffs - Assault Rifles, Cryo Blast, Fortification and Carnage could all use little buffs... and that's not even mentioning fixing the glitches like KroGuard rage.

[Mad Scientist]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Gold was not made for infiltrators to blow through it with little difficulty. Gold is meant to be very challenging for all classes, including infiltrators. Near invisibility and a 130% bonus damage rating voids the challenge that gold is supposed to bring. People argue that they only use infiltrators on gold because they are very gold viable. But that is just it. No class is supposed to be very effective on gold. Way too many people play as infiltrators on gold which already shows how imbalanced the classes are. This difficulty is for those who want a challenge, not for those who desire to speedrun through gold for credits.

Also, people argue that all classes should be buffed to the same level as infiltrators. There is one problem with that, which I expressed in the above paragraph. If all classes get buffed to the infiltrator's level, then gold will become too easy not just for infiltrators, but for all the other classes as well. Gold would end up being a joke just to be used for credit farming. 


Conclusively, the nerf to tactical cloak can possibly make gold to be the challenge that it should. Arguing for a booost for all classes to be gold viable is like asking Bioware to buff all classes on single player to make insanity playthroughs a breeze.

NOTE: This is just an opinion of mine which is based on what I believe the developers are thinking in regards to the power. No need to flame.

After reading through paragraphs of useless drivel, I have this to say: nerfing tactical cloak will not make gold any harder. People have been steamrolling gold for some time now, with (nearly) all possible team make ups, not just infiltrators. Game's been out long enough.

[COLZ7R]

@ poison berrie.
its a generalisation based on playing games for more yrs than i care to remember.
Its not a singular group but the mentality is very consistant over all of them " i am right, dont care what most people think/want"
Will try a different tac, think we can agree that the forum goers here are a bit more "hardcore" and are slightly better informed than the average pug who is happy just to play it how it is? So in all these nerf inf threads very roughlly 3:1 have said leave it be, but the nerfers still dont care and want it there way, minority of a minority want to dictate how the game is!! Can you see where i am comming from?

[Anders028]

I have spoken with ambassadors of Cerberus, Geth, and Reapers. They have an reached the same conclusion, nerf Tactical Cloak

[Mendelevosa]

Wow. I actually managed to ****** off more people than I had hoped. The flaming is hilarious.

*Pats himself on back*

[COLZ7R]

@chealec
i agree about the krysae totally, there was almost no ****ing about infs until that stupid gun was released( well if i discount "aggro dump guy") move it over to at ar class instead of sniper,

[zeal.assassin]

"Tactical Cloak Getting Nerfed Because it Makes Gold Too Easy "

Well Decoy makes gold too easy also, wonder will it get nerfed.
-No longer works on Primes, Banshees, Brutes, Atlas and Phantoms
Some of us would be in a world of trouble if BW decided to do that to decoy.

[xtorma]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Wow. I actually managed to ****** off more people than I had hoped. The flaming is hilarious.

*Pats himself on back*

The fact that you aspire to do this speaks volumns about your character.

[Poison_Berrie]

xtorma wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Wow. I actually managed to ****** off more people than I had hoped. The flaming is hilarious.

*Pats himself on back*

The fact that you aspire to do this speaks volumns about your character.

I think he's being sarcastic. Especially considering the last line of his opening post.

[Greqo]

For all the people arguing w/ OP. Show me a video of you doing a speed run on Gold w/ Batarian Sentinels.

Go ahead....I'll wait.

[meleander]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Gold was not made for infiltrators to blow through it with little difficulty. Gold is meant to be very challenging for all classes, including infiltrators. Near invisibility and a 130% bonus damage rating voids the challenge that gold is supposed to bring. People argue that they only use infiltrators on gold because they are very gold viable. But that is just it. No class is supposed to be very effective on gold. Way too many people play as infiltrators on gold which already shows how imbalanced the classes are. This difficulty is for those who want a challenge, not for those who desire to speedrun through gold for credits.

Also, people argue that all classes should be buffed to the same level as infiltrators. There is one problem with that, which I expressed in the above paragraph. If all classes get buffed to the infiltrator's level, then gold will become too easy not just for infiltrators, but for all the other classes as well. Gold would end up being a joke just to be used for credit farming. 


Conclusively, the nerf to tactical cloak can possibly make gold to be the challenge that it should. Arguing for a booost for all classes to be gold viable is like asking Bioware to buff all classes on single player to make insanity playthroughs a breeze.

NOTE: This is just an opinion of mine which is based on what I believe the developers are thinking in regards to the power. No need to flame.

Any infiltrator on the team full of non infiltrators suck for most of the games. He either is a good shot, killing everything, or a bad one, hiding/dying for all the time. So nerfing cloak is like killing the only good reason to play one.

Besides, you d*b s*p f*k, infiltrators are this type of soldiers, who "infiltrate". How they can do that, if you kill the only ability they have to do it?

[nick91_99]

zeal.assassin wrote...

"Tactical Cloak Getting Nerfed Because it Makes Gold Too Easy "

Well Decoy makes gold too easy also, wonder will it get nerfed.
-No longer works on Primes, Banshees, Brutes, Atlas and Phantoms
Some of us would be in a world of trouble if BW decided to do that to decoy.

This.

[AbhijitSM]

Wow...almost a month old thread bumped...nice.