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[antares_sublight]

I'm looking forward, with a chuckle, to how much twisting they have to do to "expand on the meaning" of something so nonsensical as what the actual plot turned out to be. The Catalyst and his stupidity remain, just get some extra inane "logic" added to it.

Bummer.


The caption is: "The complex sequence of logic for the Extended Cut."
Note the green box to the left, that's as far as the logic for Synthesis gets.

"Choice: A, B, C" -> C: Synthesis. [ummm...] End.

Modifié par antares_sublight, 22 juin 2012 - 06:48 .

[Benrosan]

They're not just expanding on the ending... Jessica Merizan has confirmed that there is also new content between the final Cerberus Base mission and the catalyst scene...

[JaylaClark]

Mass Effect 3 is 95% of the best game ever.

And currently has one of the worst endings to any game, ever. (I'm going to suggest it's equivalent with Fallout 3, from what I have heard.) But I actually haven't experienced it yet, because of everything I've heard...

I wonder if I want to try it over later. Or just hold out to see what they have for us next week.

Mark my words, though, if I like it, I will get From Ashes and likely future content. If I do not, I will uninstall the game and be done with it. There is no middle ground. (I was going to pretend to bring TOR into this, but I'm suspending my account regardless, though maybe one of the next updates might change my mind. It's a lack-of-content issue, not a I-dislike-Bioware issue... /aside)

[Gammazero79]

Fingers crossed, expectations low, secure in the knowledge that if it is terrible Bioware won't be able to use the old "we didn't know excuse".

[Ang3l o Xn6]

 Please don't be a let down:(

[Cosmar]

EvilChani wrote...

STEEEEVE wrote...

iakus wrote...

Siibi wrote...

I don't know if my body is ready...
I just hope this won't disappoint as well

And this is why I'm waiting for reviews.

Yeah man, wait for reviews.  Wouldn't want to waste any money on that free DLC when you can be an internet hipster and act like you're too good for free content.

I don't presume to speak for the original poster, but you clearly don't get it. This isn't some hipster BS where we think we're "too good" for free content. If someone told me I could have a free pile of horse ****, I wouldn't want that either, and there's no reason to think I'm getting anything better from this DLC. A lot of us were disappointed with this game, and the interview, for me, does nothing to assuage that feeling. The ending is unchanged and the huge download, going by what we learn in the interview, is just there to "show" us what got us to the pile of crap that is the ending. Sorry, but wasting another hour of my life to sit and watch a constipated horse grunting and straining just so I can see how the huge piles of turd got into the box isn't appealing to me, especially when I was being told I was buying a nice chocolate torte. A box of crap is still a box of crap - doesn't make a damned bit of difference what you ate to create it or how much you had to strain to get it out. 

So yeah, waiting for the reviews - and spoilers - sounds like the only plan for me. If it turns out that the EC does improve the game, I'll download it and play it. Perhaps it will make this game enjoyable for me, and make me actually want to touch a game that says ME on it, but I highly doubt it considering the ending hasn't changed. I'm not one of these pollyanna types who appreciates the journey when the destination is a roach-infested room full of fecal matter and smells like ******, nor am I the type to appreciate the "artistic" value of said room. So while people here are checking out the EC DLC, I'll be playing the Skyrim DLC, since I know it will actually be enjoyable. Maybe within a few days of the release, someone here will post something that makes me want to touch ME3 again.  I certainly hope so. It'd be nice to feel like BioWare didn't swindle me out of $60 and hundreds of hours of my life with their lies and narcissistic "we're so awesome and you just don't appreciate art!" garbage. 

Wow, you hit the nail right on the head. It's that last bit of theirs that really gets to me. It just doesn't make sense. Other high-profile developers changed things about their games that their fans didn't like (and those problems were much less glaring than ME3's problems) and guess what happened? The fans were happy and satisfied and continued to buy those developers' games and support them. The world didn't end, the developers didn't "sell out" their artistic license to their fans...not sure why BW can't just jump on that boat, too, and salvage their reputation with their fans.

Hopefully the EC will soothe some of those wounds. The damage is done and I don't think they can ever fully recover, but at least this is something of an olive branch. After all they did spend their own time and resources to make this, with no profit to themselves since it's free...so, I have a "wait and see" attitude. I really hope it blows me away (in a good way)...

[GroverA125]

Dustbeard wrote...

Great news that this is coming out soon, however I found some of Casey's comments in the podcast rather derisory to the negative fan reactions. Apparently we misunderstood Bioware's vision for the ending and/or didn't like the ending because we we didn't want to let go of the characters we'd come to love. Our fault then. We're just too negative.

The fact that the EC was necessary at all shows that mistakes were made and they recognize that, and they didn't have to make it at all so I'm happy with the effort, of course I am. I just wish the PR blurb coming out of the company contained fewer veiled insults.

Admittedly, they could have been a little bit nicer about it, instead of Hudson running around saying "I came up with it and all of you are too stupid to understand it", there could have been a lot more reassurance put into his comments especially. Probably why so many people were ****ed off about it, it's hard to feel better about something when the person who is supposedly trying to reassure you is making you feel worse.

[antares_sublight]

Benrosan wrote...

They're not just expanding on the ending... Jessica Merizan has confirmed that there is also new content between the final Cerberus Base mission and the catalyst scene...

From the FAQ:
"It does not fundamentally change the endings, but rather it expands on
the meaning of the original endings, and reveals greater detail on the
impact of player decisions."

It's just more cutscene exposition. Developed while the writers muttered about how stupid us players are "why didn't they get this garbage? it's so pure."

[akenn312]

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KAM12780 wrote...

*spoilers* Well if you get the "perfect ending" you see Shepard take a breath. And the way s/he looked, I don't think s/he'd be in condition to walk around the Normandy. I think it's Specialist Traynor. 

Agreed...
Did see a Quarian with thier facemask off i'm assuming it's Tali in a Sythesis ending epilouge. So no more Photoshop/stockphoto complaints. I'm coustiously optimistic but I think they got enough from the Bioware think tank, Twitter , FB and BSN and to understand how to fix this. I'm not really worried, from those four screens I can see where they are going...I think.

Modifié par akenn312, 22 juin 2012 - 06:59 .

[billida]

I won't play it at once. i will come here and check some feedback from "old" ME players. I d'ont want to be stabbed in the heart twice.

[MinatheBrat]

OMG! This is fantastic. I hope it's great!
Wow, I'm really nervous....I hope hope hope hope it's great!
Now I'm all on pins and needles and feel like this guy: LOL

[wafflez]

Looking at the info that's been revealed today, this could be very interesting...

[Seel]

K, hope you know what you doing.

[sp0ck 06]

Yes! this totally just made my day!

Also, there's some hope that the entire Priority:Earth mission might be expanded upon. FAQ says you should load a pre-Cerberus Base save to experience fully

[Joroelcapo]

Thank you Bioware!!!!
I will download the Javik mission to involve me more in the expierence. I didnt play it yet. I hope my shepard survives, i didnt play any multiplayer and i choose destroy the first time. I am too excited maybe i replay the whole game

[Merkit91]

Get your popcorn ready, people, there will be lots of lulz next week.

[giftfish]

I was really hoping to feel encouraged after listening to the interview, and sadly, I am not. 

While this was certainly about fans wanting more closure to a game and characters that they loved, it was more about numerous things in the game not making any sense (i.e., organics getting wiped out by synthetics in order to save them from...synthetics?  Yeah, ok....).  Yes, it is difficult to say goodbye to characters we love, but it's even more difficult when the plotlines don't make sense in context of previous installments of the game.

Here's what I took away from the interview:

1. The interview should have been done with a more impartial 3rd party.  Someone that did not work for BW; no disrespect to Jessica, intended.

2. The DLC is  out much sooner than expected, and therefore, likely does not contain the bulk of the changes the community has asked for.

3. BW specifically stated that they did not change the endings.  Their words were "we wouldn't know how to write that story", and "...change and adapt [the endings] for an audience that is looking for something that was never intended".

Wow, that last one is quite the rebuke.  So, for people that have been playing since ME1, what they want from their decisions (or lack there of) in ME3, is basically wrong.  Despite the fact that they were perfectly satisfied with how this was handled in ME1 and ME2, these players apparently have unrealistic expectations for ME3.

I'd argue that what BW wants in the games has apparently changed in this last installment, as so many of the decisions are forced on us and taken out of our hands.

To me, this still means we will have to choose the of the 2 or 3 options we get from devil-child.  My Shepard would not accept those options.

4. BW did not state that the requirement for MP was removed to experience everything in SP.   I hope they have.

5. BW/EA doesn't need to worry about displeasing the few fans that are already satisfied with the ending.  Those fans simply don't have to download the DLC.  Turn off auto-patch.

6. Not having an Xbox, is there some reason why BW/EA couldn't break up the DLC into multiple parts to get past the M$ download limit?  ExtCut 1 + 2.  Both free.  Where is the the problem in that?  If they were having a hard time fiting it into one download, then why not have 2?

7. From the sounds of it, this DLC will likely do nothing to fix all of the broken relationships, plot holes, and story incongruencies in ME3.  From the interview, they don't seemed interested in fixing this either.  It seems like it would be categorized under "things they never intended" or "thing they never wanted the game to be".  They still seem to be hiding under "artistic integrity", and the "masses" are wrong.

8. Irony:  Towards the middle of the interview, they talk about these characters in this galaxy that we have fought with, loved, and saved, via our decisions in all 3 games.  How this will be better reflected in the new DLC. 

What about decisions that we had no control over, BW?  Will this DLC fix that?  The poor handling of the ME2 LIs? Thane?  Jacob?  Having your Love Interest taken away from you without haivng any say in the matter is pretty counter to the sentiment expressed by BW in this interview.  Especially considering a player's LI is  likely the *most* important relationhsip they have in the game. 

What about the events of Arrival that set the premise for the start of ME3, regardless of whether the DLC was played?  In ME2, ME1 DLCs were assumed to not have happened.  Why force them on us in ME3 and remove our ability to control that decision?

9.  The tone of the interview was a bit over-the-top positive, in my opinion, and quite unapologetic...even a little bit begrudging with certain remarks.  This DLC is about trying to salvage some of BW/EA's relationship with the community, but so far, they seem unwilling to give us much of what we want.

I hope I'm wrong, and am pleasantly surprised.  If not, I will take my gaming dollars elsewhere.

Modifié par giftfish, 22 juin 2012 - 07:07 .

[Cyan-Glow]

Excellent news! The Podcast lists "additional cut scenes" and an "epilogue sequence"

Cut scenes are expected, but I wonder abut the epilogue sequence. Perhaps It will be a small game play portion akin to DA:O after the warden defeats the archdeamon. (Perhaps a small area you move about i9n, and address all your squad mates once more, before walking out the door and seeing the epilogue slideshow)

I'd be happy with that!

[KingZayd]

Hope it's good

1.9GB for 2 missions sounds promising.

[antares_sublight]

giftfish wrote...

I was really hoping to feel encouraged after listening to the interview, and sadly, I am not. 

While this was certainly about fans wanting more closure to a game and characters that they loved, it was more about many things in the game not making any sense (i.e., organics getting wiped out by synthetics in order to save them from...synthetics?  Yeah, ok....).  Yes, it is difficult to say goodbye to characters we love, but it's even more difficult when the story doesn't make any sense compared to previous installments of the game. 

Yeah. Cherry-picking fans' comments and saying all the uproar was just about "misunderstanding" and "closure" is what's called "admitting a small error to avoid admitting a larger one".  They went into it not wanting to listen and, having been forced to listen, were very careful in what they chose to hear.

So now they can act like they are "hearing the players" when they're just hearing themselves.

BioWare thinks we're all idiots.

[UKillMeLongTime]

it's a funeral sequence on earth imo on what the epilogue is

[lordnyx1]

So dawnguard is also coming out that tuesday.
Hmm guess I can do at least one run through of this then straight to vampire demon things for awhile...

[Reptilian Rob]

Relays are still destroyed, Citadel is still destroyed, Normandy is still stranded.

Oh good, it's just what we wanted!

[umadcommander]

wait no more speculations?

[Kunari801]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

it's a funeral sequence on earth imo on what the epilogue is

Looking at one of teh still shots there is a memorial on the crashed Normandy too infront of the memorial wall.