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[Helios969]

NickG420 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Well, I can already anticipate one problem. Nothing said about supplemental war assets to allow single players to obtain "perfect ending," i.e. breathe scene. Therefore any potential embrace time with LI and squadies will be out of reach. That's just gonna ****** a whole bunch of people off all over again.

Jessica already adressed this in a tweet....

Read much???

No.  What did she say?

[NickG420]

shepdog77 wrote...

My god, the haters are out in full force tonight.
*grabs more popcorn*

Haters gon' hate...

[Baa Baa]

**** this I'm gonna play some Deus Ex HR

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...

umadcommander wrote...

10 minutes. 3 months of grinding speculation and despairing at all the trolls for 10 minutes of what looks like more forced sacrifice. Tch i guess we shall see, expectation couldn't be lower right now

I would not use the word sacrifice in context to ME3's ending.
When you are forced to take a path that will lead to death, thst is no longer a sacrifice.
For it to be a sacrifice, both the player, and the character, Shepard in this case must have a choice to reject the path thatvwill lead to death (Dragon Age : Origins)
In ME3'S case, starbrat demands Shepard's death and both the player and Shepard have no choice in the matter.

It was a god dammed suicide and I can't understand why some people are celebrating the act.

Yes, sacrifice is having a choice and deciding to do the difficult thing for the greater good.  The "choices" as presented to Shepard don't seem very good and offer no real choice.  What Shepard knows is what Shepard has seen in the game and the incredibly warped garbage the star kid is trying to sell.  And Shepard just toddles off to die or Shepard prays to God the overseeing player has played MP and gotten a high enough EMS score.  But then, ooops Shepard picked Control.  Too bad, so sad, bye bye.  Shepard dies and Controls the reapers all in one suicidal act.

It actually is one step further than just suicide-the star kid is murdering Shepard unless the torso gasps.  Suicide and murder-great way for a hero to be treated-great way for a game to end.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 23 juin 2012 - 01:53 .

[NickG420]

Helios969 wrote...

NickG420 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Well, I can already anticipate one problem. Nothing said about supplemental war assets to allow single players to obtain "perfect ending," i.e. breathe scene. Therefore any potential embrace time with LI and squadies will be out of reach. That's just gonna ****** a whole bunch of people off all over again.

Jessica already adressed this in a tweet....

Read much???

No.  What did she say?

https://twitter.com/...223459641004032 

[** comment deleted.  no politics on the social network, please **]

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 23 juin 2012 - 02:00 .

[Velocithon]

After listening to the podcast, I still don't see why this all wasn't done when the game was released...

Nonetheless, I'm hoping this will be good.

[NickG420]

Just an FYI according to Jessica's Twitter feed BW is still not confirming nor denying IT...In fact Jessica says quote "If you believe in IT, EC should in no way change that"

Just found it interesting for all you IT supporters out there....

[Greed1914]

NickG420 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

NickG420 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Well, I can already anticipate one problem. Nothing said about supplemental war assets to allow single players to obtain "perfect ending," i.e. breathe scene. Therefore any potential embrace time with LI and squadies will be out of reach. That's just gonna ****** a whole bunch of people off all over again.

Jessica already adressed this in a tweet....

Read much???

No.  What did she say?

https://twitter.com/...223459641004032 

Jesus...Are people really this lazy?....No wonder we have such a high unemployment...and I thought it was all Obama's fault...

Not everyone uses twitter.  Also, you could just provide the link without acting like a jerk about it. 

[RaenImrahl]

Okay folks, a few notes.

First, a reminder of some of our forum rules. Using still or animated images as responses are not allowed... I've had to remove several from this thread already today.

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Thank you. Please continue and enjoy the discussion.

[Oni Changas]

NickG420 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

NickG420 wrote...

Helios969 wrote...

Well, I can already anticipate one problem. Nothing said about supplemental war assets to allow single players to obtain "perfect ending," i.e. breathe scene. Therefore any potential embrace time with LI and squadies will be out of reach. That's just gonna ****** a whole bunch of people off all over again.

Jessica already adressed this in a tweet....

Read much???

No.  What did she say?

https://twitter.com/...223459641004032 

Jesus...Are people really this lazy?....No wonder we have such a high unemployment...and I thought it was all Obama's fault...

'Cause everybody uses twitter. Nice assumptions, Tips.

[Velocithon]

Wait...from BEFORE the attack on Cerberus?

So, the auto save from when you complete the game isnt far back enough? This blows. :/

[3DandBeyond]

memorysquid wrote...

Why are people so crazy bitter about this?  So you wanted to rub Harbinger's face in it and found out that all the clues in the game leading up to the Reapers actually being some form of preservation was true and that they weren't even independent but controlled by the Catalyst.  That's the story; I presume that's been the story probably since the word go.  Rather than being some sadistic freaks or galaxy devouring vampires, the Reapers turn out to be the indoctrinated, triage style life preservers of a fairly emotionless shackled AI.  So that's the story they wanted to tell; all in all, they did a good job, if not so good at all in the very end.

The problem is most of the "hints" as to this never took place anywhere but in ME3 and where they existed they were so subtle and so overwhelmed by every other piece of evidence to the contrary, that it makes the ending almost laughable-but someone seriously thought it made sense.  Everything we are told from the get go is that the reapers are there to destroy organic life-Sovereign and Harbinger say that.  Even the star kid doesn't fully deny it.  And all those goo pots and smudge vats full of people goop indicate dead people.  I don't see that as preservation at all and nothing within the story prepared people for Shepard actually believing any of this garbage.  And no, that wasn't the story for the word go.  Get the Final Hours app.  Read up on interviews the devs gave about ME1 and ME2. 

You think the reapers are not sadistic freaks or galaxy devouring vampires, but that's exactly what they are.  The scene on the Collector base when one of the Horizon "survivors" gets the goo sucked out of her would probably agree with that.  And there are actually many more references that point to the "harvesting" of organics as nourishment for reproduction than for any preservation.

And no, it wasn't done at all well.  The story you see was not a story told all along through 3 games--how many of them did you play?

[Greed1914]

Velocithon wrote...

Wait...from BEFORE the attack on Cerberus?

So, the auto save from when you complete the game isnt far back enough? This blows. :/

Not sure if that works or not.  Hopefull it does since a lot of people won't have a save from any earlier that would work.  I lucked out, it turns out I had a save from about 30 minutes before that mission.

[3DandBeyond]

NickG420 wrote...

Just an FYI according to Jessica's Twitter feed BW is still not confirming nor denying IT...In fact Jessica says quote "If you believe in IT, EC should in no way change that"

Just found it interesting for all you IT supporters out there....

Ok, then for cripe's sake that means it's still an ambiguous pile.

[NickG420]

OniTYME wrote...

'Cause everybody uses twitter. Nice assumptions, Tips.

 

Well it's only been said in this thread at least 5 times....Which means you were also far too busy to bother to read. Which, of course brings me back to my original "assumption" of laziness. 

At what point do assumptions become truths based upon a preponderance of the evidence?

It's kind of like stereotypes....They become stereotypes because they are generally true...

[sparkyo42]

You know looking at the post from the mod I'm reminded that they tightened up the BSN before the release and again now? Are they expecting another fallout? At this rate I'm quite sure in another few months it will be only the threads that fully support Bioware and offer to buy anything they produce will be allowed on.

Modifié par sparkyo42, 23 juin 2012 - 02:15 .

[NickG420]

sparkyo42 wrote...

You know looking at the post from the mod I'm reminded that they tightened up the BSN before the release and again now? Are they expecting another fallout? At this rate I'm quite sure in another few months it will be only blind support threads allowed on BSN.

Tell me about it...I just got warned

[Deputy Secretary of Awesome]

I'm looking forward to the EC. I was hoping for IT, but it doesn't look like that'll be the case. Though I'd be thrilled if there are some hidden surprises on that front.

Even if the EC just fleshes out the existing endings, I'd still appreciate that. I like the fact that the Priority Earth mission is getting more variability and content. Can't wait to get my hands on it. Going to try and keep an open mind.

[RaenImrahl]

Velocithon wrote...

Wait...from BEFORE the attack on Cerberus?

So, the auto save from when you complete the game isnt far back enough? This blows. :/

Yes it should. Just checked it.  The game should generate an autosave after the ending.  Loading that autosave returns you to the bridge of the Normandy right before the mission Priority: Cerberus Headquarters.

[sparkyo42]

NickG420 wrote...

sparkyo42 wrote...

You know looking at the post from the mod I'm reminded that they tightened up the BSN before the release and again now? Are they expecting another fallout? At this rate I'm quite sure in another few months it will be only blind support threads allowed on BSN.

Tell me about it...I just got warned

Well good to know Bioware welcomes robust debate in their forums, or not.

It's sad that they've gone to this extreme (and that this might get me in trouble but hey I'm pretty much gone as a customer anyway.

[wantedman dan]

Deputy Secretary of Awesome wrote...

I'm looking forward to the EC. I was hoping for IT, but it doesn't look like that'll be the case. Though I'd be thrilled if there are some hidden surprises on that front.

Even if the EC just fleshes out the existing endings, I'd still appreciate that. I like the fact that the Priority Earth mission is getting more variability and content. Can't wait to get my hands on it. Going to try and keep an open mind.

It should have covered from Thessia forward, since the complete and utter disaster began there.

[Reptilian Rob]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Wait...from BEFORE the attack on Cerberus?

So, the auto save from when you complete the game isnt far back enough? This blows. :/

Yes it should. Just checked it.  The game should generate an autosave after the ending.  Loading that autosave returns you to the bridge of the Normandy right before the mission Priority: Cerberus Headquarters.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

Actually, I do. 

[wicked_being]

Well this is it, it's make or break for them.

Either way it's gonna give closure and clarification to how I perceive Bioware: should I stay or should I go?

I'll give it a chance and judge for myself.

[Velocithon]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Velocithon wrote...

Wait...from BEFORE the attack on Cerberus?

So, the auto save from when you complete the game isnt far back enough? This blows. :/

Yes it should. Just checked it.  The game should generate an autosave after the ending.  Loading that autosave returns you to the bridge of the Normandy right before the mission Priority: Cerberus Headquarters.

Oh, I must've remembered wrong. I thought it was on the Normandy AFTER the Cerberus attack. Whew! 

Thanks for checking and correcting me.

[RaenImrahl]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

Yes it should. Just checked it.  The game should generate an autosave after the ending.  Loading that autosave returns you to the bridge of the Normandy right before the mission Priority: Cerberus Headquarters.

Coincidence? I THINK NOT!

Actually, I do. 

From what I've seen, the Priority: Cerberus HQ mission is kind of the "point of no return" for ME3, like going through the Omega relay in ME2.  That's why the post save is set to return there... because it allows you to gain experience/EMS from any future story DLC (and yes, Chris says it's planned) for the final push.