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[SadisticStick]

NickG420 wrote...

Just an FYI according to Jessica's Twitter feed BW is still not confirming nor denying IT...In fact Jessica says quote "If you believe in IT, EC should in no way change that"

IT was borne out of the ending being vague as hell and just being poorly told, if what Jessica says is true, then it seems Bioware managed to fail even the meager task they set about to resolve.

If bioware cannot resolve the simple issue of 'is what is happening real?'...then man. I dont know what to say.

[sparkyo42]

SadisticStick wrote...

NickG420 wrote...

Just an FYI according to Jessica's Twitter feed BW is still not confirming nor denying IT...In fact Jessica says quote "If you believe in IT, EC should in no way change that"

IT was borne out of the ending being vague as hell and just being poorly told, if what Jessica says is true, then it seems Bioware managed to fail even the meager task they set about to resolve.

If bioware cannot resolve the simple issue of 'is what is happening real?'...then man. I dont know what to say.

"It's Art":sick:

[wantedman dan]

SadisticStick wrote...

NickG420 wrote...

Just an FYI according to Jessica's Twitter feed BW is still not confirming nor denying IT...In fact Jessica says quote "If you believe in IT, EC should in no way change that"

IT was borne out of the ending being vague as hell and just being poorly told, if what Jessica says is true, then it seems Bioware managed to fail even the meager task they set about to resolve.

If bioware cannot resolve the simple issue of 'is what is happening real?'...then man. I dont know what to say.

I didn't even comprehend the level of fail to which that tweet has fallen before reading this. 

Modifié par wantedman dan, 23 juin 2012 - 03:59 .

[UKillMeLongTime]

RaenImrahl wrote...

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

the dlc might be 1.9 not due to much of new content but the cutscenes in the game like when you trigger the fight or priority earth have been redone with a few seconds here or there like we see reapers or geth in combat.

then throw in the memorial..the end but shep or someone took a breath i'm curious to see if thats still in the red ending or sheps dead in all colors now

I think that's the case.  I hope, whatever it contains, that the EC is well-woven into the existing game.  In other words, if I was a new player, it wouldn't seem like something is tacked on, narratively-speaking.

yeah the cutscenes are basically large video files so to add anything i assume mean it's rendered into a new file and the dlc replaces it...
i dunno but lair was a decent size dlc and it's that big yet we are told 10 mins.

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

3 days left...damn. This better be good. A 10 minute cutscene doesn't sound promising at all. It's like me eating a horrible stale waffle and stopping half way through, then only to eat the last chunks the next day. I really hope there is a Mass Effect 4 with Shepard's crew or him as the Protagonist. Mass Effect changed my entire opinion about video games, as them being art.

*Prays to Jesus*

[D24O]

wantedman dan wrote...

SadisticStick wrote...

NickG420 wrote...

Just an FYI according to Jessica's Twitter feed BW is still not confirming nor denying IT...In fact Jessica says quote "If you believe in IT, EC should in no way change that"

IT was borne out of the ending being vague as hell and just being poorly told, if what Jessica says is true, then it seems Bioware managed to fail even the meager task they set about to resolve.

If bioware cannot resolve the simple issue of 'is what is happening real?'...then man. I dont know what to say.

I didn't even comprehend the level of fail to which that tweet has fallen before reading this. 

I really hope there is some definitave information given to us. IMO the idea that the end isn't real comes from a stylistic dissonance from the rest of the game, a part of the endings poor execution. While I don't want to make snap judgments, that tweet implies the vague, minamalist style will still be there, so there's a possibility of having endings that need massive amounts of headcannon to even make sense. I just hope not.

[Greed1914]

SadisticStick wrote...

NickG420 wrote...

Just an FYI according to Jessica's Twitter feed BW is still not confirming nor denying IT...In fact Jessica says quote "If you believe in IT, EC should in no way change that"

IT was borne out of the ending being vague as hell and just being poorly told, if what Jessica says is true, then it seems Bioware managed to fail even the meager task they set about to resolve.

If bioware cannot resolve the simple issue of 'is what is happening real?'...then man. I dont know what to say.

Unfortunately, I think they've latched onto IT as a way of keeping some fans from leaving by letting them continue to think that there was some master plan at work.  That's about the only reason I can see for continuing to allow IT to exist when EC is supposed to offer "clarity."  I don't think you can get any less clear than creating a situation where people can't even agree on whether what they saw actually happened. 

Modifié par Greed1914, 23 juin 2012 - 04:05 .

[Detsaot]

Greed1914 wrote...

Detsaot wrote...

bboynexus wrote...

Sorry for my ignorance, but where was it stated the EC had only ten minutes of content?

Like everything else you want to know about what BioWare is doing, you have to follow every BioWare employee's Twitter account to get any actual information (or just happen upon a post that contains the information on some forum discussing BioWare).  For some odd reason, the folks at BioWare don't want to give out any relevant info, beyond release dates and vague FAQs, on their official sites and forums.

Seriously, if it wasn't for the other members of this forum that use twitter, I'd be pretty clueless about most things going on around here.  Most people on the sticky for the EMS topic were pretty confused by the vauge wording from Chris Priestly, and the clarification of that only came via someone linking to twitter. 

Yeah, and it makes no sense that they do it that way.  Whoever is giving BioWare PR advice should be fired.

[chemiclord]

Fans **** that the ending doesn't give them enough choices.

Bioware announces that the DLC is so large because it puts emphasis on more demonstrating the choices throughout the game.

Fans **** that it wasn't what they want.

The problem is that it was impossible for everyone to get everything they want.  That was/is/will be true.  Hell, in this thread alone I've seen a hundred different gripes, many of them in direct conflict with what other fans want.

Some want a happy ending.  Some think a happy ending trivializes any other ending.  Some fans want closure.  Some fans want the ending completely scrapped.  Some think the plot holes need closing, some (shockingly) want it to remain open ended.  Some want new gameplay.  Some want Harbinger.  Some think Harbinger is terrible.

If anything less than everything is unacceptable to you, then you just need to quit now.  Don't download the DLC.  It WILL disappoint you.  Just walk away, never come back, and let the rage and bitterness go.

Modifié par chemiclord, 23 juin 2012 - 04:09 .

[Detsaot]

Greed1914 wrote...

SadisticStick wrote...

NickG420 wrote...

Just an FYI according to Jessica's Twitter feed BW is still not confirming nor denying IT...In fact Jessica says quote "If you believe in IT, EC should in no way change that"

IT was borne out of the ending being vague as hell and just being poorly told, if what Jessica says is true, then it seems Bioware managed to fail even the meager task they set about to resolve.

If bioware cannot resolve the simple issue of 'is what is happening real?'...then man. I dont know what to say.

Unfortunately, I think they've latched onto IT as a way of keeping some fans from leaving by letting them continue to think that there was some master plan at work.  That's about the only reason I can see for continuing to allow IT to continue when EC is supposed to offer "clarity."  I don't think you can get any less clear than creating a situation where people can't even agree on whether what they saw actually happened. 

The major problem with the IT after the EC DLC is that it would mean the game, and series, will never get an actual ending, since the IT relies on the game continuing afterwards for resolution.  Does anyone really think a ME4 would sell very well as the "Real Ending, No, We Really Mean it This Time!" after the ME3 debacle?  If the EC DLC does not confirm the IT, the IT is not the intended ending, full stop.

[Greed1914]

chemiclord wrote...

Fans **** that the ending doesn't give them enough choices.

Bioware announces that the DLC is so large because it puts emphasis on more demonstrating the choices throughout the game.

Fans **** that it wasn't what they want.

The problem is that it was impossible for everyone to get everything they want.  That was/is/will be true.  If anything less than everything is unacceptable, then you just need to quit now.  Don't download the DLC.  It was disappoint you.  Just walk away, never come back, and let the rage and bitterness go.

That isn't what people are complaining about.  If anything, it's one of the few things that most seem to like about what they've heard. 

[AGogley]

tschamp wrote...

and with that podcast, it isn't worth my time. Bioware didn't listen because they chose to be repetitive game developer that is using that cliche ending the a majority of games are doing now instead of something different. I am not going to get the EC because of what was said in the podcast. It isn't about the gamers and all about "Artistic Integrity"

I pretty much feel the same way.  It seems everyone is doing these "dark" endings.  I prefer at least a bittersweet ending, but a triumphant ending would be best.  In any case, the ending should make sense.  I don't see how Bioware fixes that with any amount of cutscenes.

[wantedman dan]

Greed1914 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Fans **** that the ending doesn't give them enough choices.

Bioware announces that the DLC is so large because it puts emphasis on more demonstrating the choices throughout the game.

Fans **** that it wasn't what they want.

The problem is that it was impossible for everyone to get everything they want.  That was/is/will be true.  If anything less than everything is unacceptable, then you just need to quit now.  Don't download the DLC.  It was disappoint you.  Just walk away, never come back, and let the rage and bitterness go.

That isn't what people are complaining about.  If anything, it's one of the few things that most seem to like about what they've heard. 

Just direct people like that to the podcast so they'll understand.

[chemiclord]

Greed1914 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Fans **** that the ending doesn't give them enough choices.

Bioware announces that the DLC is so large because it puts emphasis on more demonstrating the choices throughout the game.

Fans **** that it wasn't what they want.

The problem is that it was impossible for everyone to get everything they want.  That was/is/will be true.  If anything less than everything is unacceptable, then you just need to quit now.  Don't download the DLC.  It was disappoint you.  Just walk away, never come back, and let the rage and bitterness go.

That isn't what people are complaining about.  If anything, it's one of the few things that most seem to like about what they've heard. 

On the contrary, people are flipping out because the added content to each playthrough amounts to 10 minutes, and the reason its so large is because it's trying to expand on several different scenarios.

Rather than acknowledge "Okay, they're trying to show how our choices matter" they instead choose to rage about "IT ONLY ADDS 10 MINUTES!  RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!"

[The Angry One]

Don't bother trying to reason with chemiclord, he's intent on flaming anyone who has issues with the EC. Just report and move on.

[wantedman dan]

chemiclord wrote...

On the contrary, people are flipping out because the added content to each playthrough amounts to 10 minutes, and the reason its so large is because it's trying to expand on several different scenarios.

Rather than acknowledge "Okay, they're trying to show how our choices matter" they instead choose to rage about "IT ONLY ADDS 10 MINUTES!  RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!"

Like they should have done the first time around?

[chemiclord]

wantedman dan wrote...

Just direct people like that to the podcast so they'll understand.

I have no intention to listen to the podcast.  Casey Hudson is a tool.  I already know this.  I don't need another 15 minutes of listening to him think he's God's gift to gaming to discover it more.  I stopped listening to Casey Hudson before they started producing ME2, and gave absolutely 0% credence to anything he promised.

Because he's a tool.

wantedman dan wrote...

Like they should have done the first time around?

 

Since I don't have a time machine, I really couldn't care less about what they should have done the first time around.  I'm WAY past that.  I'm concerned about what they plan to do.  We'll see if its enough.  I have my doubts (mostly because Casey Hudson is far too full of himself), but I'll see.

Modifié par chemiclord, 23 juin 2012 - 04:16 .

[tschamp]

AGogley wrote...

tschamp wrote...

and with that podcast, it isn't worth my time. Bioware didn't listen because they chose to be repetitive game developer that is using that cliche ending the a majority of games are doing now instead of something different. I am not going to get the EC because of what was said in the podcast. It isn't about the gamers and all about "Artistic Integrity"

I pretty much feel the same way.  It seems everyone is doing these "dark" endings.  I prefer at least a bittersweet ending, but a triumphant ending would be best.  In any case, the ending should make sense.  I don't see how Bioware fixes that with any amount of cutscenes.

The main problem here is that Casey and Marc wrote these endings for themselves and no one else.  Words like "Artistic Integerity" mean nothing when it isn't something orginal which these endings are not orginial nor decent. In a word, they are "Lazy". These endings lack the "Bioware Style" of invovative creative thinking that started this series. This is nothing but worn out trope they used to call themselves "artist".

[The Angry One]

So.. you have problems with people expressing concern over the EC... but no issues directly insulting Casey Hudson.

Okay, moving along.

[animadpig]

So long, Bioware. I will not download the EC DLC or buy any game from Bioware. I am a dead customer to Bioware, and Bioware is a dead company to me.

[RaenImrahl]

The Angry One wrote...

So.. you have problems with people expressing concern over the EC... but no issues directly insulting Casey Hudson.

Okay, moving along.

The Angry One is right (wow-- I just typed that).  It's time to move off the topic of the developers and back onto the Extended Cut DLC. 

[Greed1914]

chemiclord wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Just direct people like that to the podcast so they'll understand.

I
have no intention to listen to the podcast.  Casey Hudson is a tool.  I
already know this.  I don't need another 15 minutes of listening to him
think he's God's gift to gaming to discover it more.  I stopped
listening to Casey Hudson before they started producing ME2, and gave
absolutely 0% credence to anything he promised.

Because he's a tool.

So
you say he is a tool, and yet see no problem with how the EC is only
going to add more to his work?  Considering that, I should think you'd
be rather concerned about this.

[Necrotron]

Atakuma wrote...

This is nice and all, unfortunately I don't see this being anything but a colossal waste of time on Bioware's part. This probably wont satisfy more than a handful of people, and in the end will probably just get them more hate.

That is what I was trying to say months ago, but we'll see how this plays out.  I suspect several who liked the original ending will defect (because of IT debunked), a few upset with lack of clarity will be satisfied, and the vast majority will still hate it.

[chemiclord]

The Angry One wrote...

So.. you have problems with people expressing concern over the EC... but no issues directly insulting Casey Hudson.

Okay, moving along.

Expressing concern, and already deciding that the EC is going to suck no matter what are two different things, and I think you know that.  I have no problem with the former, I find the latter childish.  Even if you do think so, you've made your point clear OVER AND OVER AND OVER.

WE GET IT.  Honest.

And why shouldn't I insult him?  He's the man in charge.  Everything that was in that game got his okay.  He at the very least green-lighted that piece of ****, or if you believe the reports, was the driving force behind it.  He's more salesman than writer at this point.

Modifié par chemiclord, 23 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[wantedman dan]

chemiclord wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Like they should have done the first time around?

 

Since I don't have a time machine, I really couldn't care less about what they should have done the first time around.  I'm WAY past that.  I'm concerned about what they plan to do.  We'll see if its enough.  I have my doubts (mostly because Casey Hudson is far too full of himself), but I'll see.

Non sequitur, and you know it.