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[ColloquialAnachron]

I am excited for this. Last chance for blind faith renewal Bioware!

[MattFini]

dfdsgrgre wrote...

MattFini wrote...

I can't wait to never see Synthesis or Control in any of my games.

Absolutely refuse to choose those absurd notions to see a little more closure for GhostShepard (blue) and pretentious nonsense (green).

isnt all of it pretentious nonsense?

You got me there.

[darkshadow136]

Siven80 wrote...

So June 26th is ME3 D-Day.

The fact they need an extended cut to explain the endings is a fail in itself.

Will have to play it and see it for myself to decide if its any good of course, i do hope though that the end makes some sense now though. Gotta admit my hopes arent high though.

I agree my hopes are not real high for this EC since they are keeping the original endings that were poor writing at best anyway, and made no sense for the ME universe. I will check it out but I'm not expecting I will like it since they are keeping the whole God-child involved ending. I just hope it gives me enough closure to the story, and then I will walk away from the series and Bioware after.

[Landon7001]

What really keeps infuriating me is their attitudes, how they refuse to give straight, clear answer or address/acknowledge what millions of us have actually been saying {very eloquently} about the ending {plot holes, contradictions,etc.} instead of contionuosly repeating "closure, more closure, they couldnt let go"....or addresing the false advertising they did, they should explain/defend themselves if they can....which obviously they cant.....an apology??? we pay their salaries, we care about their creations, we are why they exist, they say they've been looking for ways to please us yet they ignore almost every critical point we are all saying that really boils down to common sense that anyone can see, especially anyone whos played the past games......ahhhhh, Im tired......

[BlueStorm83]

--- Now that the Extended Cut is actually made and set to be released in just three days, they actually HAVE replied to us. That reply, however, is encapsulated within the Extended Cut, which exists in a future set exactly three solar time units ahead of our own reality. We just have to go there and see their reply.

That's not THAT bad. And honestly, if they TOLD us first, that would be spoilers. So at the moment, I'll be patient, and just see how it goes. If it succeeds, I'll be happy. If it fails, well, I suppose that I'll find myself a thread here to call home, until they release the Super Extended Cut, and if need be even the Super DUPER Extended Cut.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Landon7001 wrote...

What really keeps infuriating me is their attitudes, how they refuse to give straight, clear answer or address/acknowledge what millions of us have actually been saying {very eloquently} about the ending {plot holes, contradictions,etc.} instead of contionuosly repeating "closure, more closure, they couldnt let go"....or addresing the false advertising they did, they should explain/defend themselves if they can....which obviously they cant.....an apology??? we pay their salaries, we care about their creations, we are why they exist, they say they've been looking for ways to please us yet they ignore almost every critical point we are all saying that really boils down to common sense that anyone can see, especially anyone whos played the past games......ahhhhh, Im tired......

Great post. It is as if we, stupid as we are, don't understand their surprising 1+1=3 and they are going to explain it one... more... time...

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 23 juin 2012 - 03:35 .

[Samuelcd]

Once again us in Europe are screwed over by Sony...

Also, for those who do not have a save before the Cerberus base, you might not need to do the whole game again. For some reason I had 2 saves, one auto and one manual, that were both before Priority: Earth. If this has happened to you, just play through that last mission and then it will take you back before the Cerberus base. Most people probably already know this but it might save some people from doing the whole thing again (I almost did).

Modifié par Samuelcd, 23 juin 2012 - 03:42 .

[Ieldra]

Is there any information about whether the Catalyst dialogue is changed? For me, the EC's success hangs on that.

[3DandBeyond]

Landon7001 wrote...

What really keeps infuriating me is their attitudes, how they refuse to give straight, clear answer or address/acknowledge what millions of us have actually been saying {very eloquently} about the ending {plot holes, contradictions,etc.} instead of contionuosly repeating "closure, more closure, they couldnt let go"....or addresing the false advertising they did, they should explain/defend themselves if they can....which obviously they cant.....an apology??? we pay their salaries, we care about their creations, we are why they exist, they say they've been looking for ways to please us yet they ignore almost every critical point we are all saying that really boils down to common sense that anyone can see, especially anyone whos played the past games......ahhhhh, Im tired......

It's why circular logic makes so much sense.  When you've surrounded yourself with a bubble, insulating you from real reality, and have chosen a position with no foundation in fact and genuine purpose, you cannot talk your way out of it.  You need to burst the bubble and step out and say at least, "I had a different view, but I see I missed the mark."  Apologize, learn, grow, and then get real.

To those that think us haters-we wouldn't be here, would have left long ago if we hated.  In fact, we've loved these games, but we intensely dislike what they have done to something we love.  They abused the good thing that ME was.  They turned it into a heaping mess in order to stroke some egos-it appears for some reason they believed that ME wasn't good enough as itself and needed to insert parts of endings from other things.  Problem is, they had the ending right there, built into the game.  It was natural, could have been satisfying, and epic.  They didn't need that stupid kid and they didn't need the magical 3 choice space beam.  They didn't need an LSD trip on the citadel.  The series needed Shepard and crew and it needed to be based in real authentic struggle.

And onto the "artistic" thing and that we didn't understand their vision.  The Joker running away scene has apparently been dressed up a little bit.  I don't know what came before or what surrounds it, but he's leaving because Hackett tells "everyone" to get to the rendevous point.  Ok, seems like it's a workaround.  For one thing, it pisses me off that Shepard is reduced to mumbling garbage and for another that Hackett, a minor character in my opinion has now been elevated in story status.  For another, how the hell were we supposed to just "know" in the original cutscenes that Hackett had ordered Joker to leave and magically pick up the crew in one fell swoop?  There was no context for that.  This feels false and seems just inserted to address something they messed up on and that fans complained about, because there's no way to extrapolate that.  Even if you could, it's ridiculous that that was required of you to accept the scene.

[Iakus]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Is there any information about whether the Catalyst dialogue is changed? For me, the EC's success hangs on that.

Yes, if Synthetics still die in the Red ending regardless of EMS, this has been a colossal waste of time.

[celozzip]

i don't keep up with the threads much i just have this question, is it right we need to start at the cerberus base and replay everything on earth just to see the new ending? all that bull**** monotonous run-n-gun crap on earth??? jesus, i assumed we'd have to start from just before marauder shields or something...

does this mean i need to boost my ems back up since i havent played sp or mp at all since i finished the game...

[Tleining]

celozzip wrote...

i don't keep up with the threads much i just have this question, is it right we need to start at the cerberus base and replay everything on earth just to see the new ending? all that bull**** monotonous run-n-gun crap on earth??? jesus, i assumed we'd have to start from just before marauder shields or something...

does this mean i need to boost my ems back up since i havent played sp or mp at all since i finished the game...

uhm, the way i understand it, starting with Cerberus Base you have additional content. So at the Base itself that could be additional messages and dialogue, that tie in with the Ending choices.

You should be able to see additional content if you start just before marauder shields, but you would end up missing some parts of the dlc.

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

What really keeps infuriating me is their attitudes, how they refuse to give straight, clear answer or address/acknowledge what millions of us have actually been saying {very eloquently} about the ending {plot holes, contradictions,etc.} instead of contionuosly repeating "closure, more closure, they couldnt let go"....or addresing the false advertising they did, they should explain/defend themselves if they can....which obviously they cant.....an apology??? we pay their salaries, we care about their creations, we are why they exist, they say they've been looking for ways to please us yet they ignore almost every critical point we are all saying that really boils down to common sense that anyone can see, especially anyone whos played the past games......ahhhhh, Im tired......

It's why circular logic makes so much sense.  When you've surrounded yourself with a bubble, insulating you from real reality, and have chosen a position with no foundation in fact and genuine purpose, you cannot talk your way out of it.  You need to burst the bubble and step out and say at least, "I had a different view, but I see I missed the mark."  Apologize, learn, grow, and then get real.

To those that think us haters-we wouldn't be here, would have left long ago if we hated.  In fact, we've loved these games, but we intensely dislike what they have done to something we love.  They abused the good thing that ME was.  They turned it into a heaping mess in order to stroke some egos-it appears for some reason they believed that ME wasn't good enough as itself and needed to insert parts of endings from other things.  Problem is, they had the ending right there, built into the game.  It was natural, could have been satisfying, and epic.  They didn't need that stupid kid and they didn't need the magical 3 choice space beam.  They didn't need an LSD trip on the citadel.  The series needed Shepard and crew and it needed to be based in real authentic struggle.

And onto the "artistic" thing and that we didn't understand their vision.  The Joker running away scene has apparently been dressed up a little bit.  I don't know what came before or what surrounds it, but he's leaving because Hackett tells "everyone" to get to the rendevous point.  Ok, seems like it's a workaround.  For one thing, it pisses me off that Shepard is reduced to mumbling garbage and for another that Hackett, a minor character in my opinion has now been elevated in story status.  For another, how the hell were we supposed to just "know" in the original cutscenes that Hackett had ordered Joker to leave and magically pick up the crew in one fell swoop?  There was no context for that.  This feels false and seems just inserted to address something they messed up on and that fans complained about, because there's no way to extrapolate that.  Even if you could, it's ridiculous that that was required of you to accept the scene.

Kudos to Hackett's voice actor, Lance Henriksen though. He was amoung the first to sit down and say, Yep, the ending missed the mark by a wide margin. For someone who had ties to the product to acknowledge a grave concern of the fanbase gives him +50dkp.

[Tleining]

Redbelle wrote...

Kudos to Hackett's voice actor, Lance Henriksen though. He was amoung the first to sit down and say, Yep, the ending missed the mark by a wide margin. For someone who had ties to the product to acknowledge a grave concern of the fanbase gives him +50dkp.

did he? Do you have a link for that? All i remember is his interview with G4tv, after he was asked to record additional lines for the Extended Cut. And the stuff he says there ..... missed the whole Point of what the Fans were upset about.
"just an oversight"

[breakdown71289]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- Now that the Extended Cut is actually made and set to be released in just three days, they actually HAVE replied to us. That reply, however, is encapsulated within the Extended Cut, which exists in a future set exactly three solar time units ahead of our own reality. We just have to go there and see their reply.

That's not THAT bad. And honestly, if they TOLD us first, that would be spoilers. So at the moment, I'll be patient, and just see how it goes. If it succeeds, I'll be happy. If it fails, well, I suppose that I'll find myself a thread here to call home, until they release the Super Extended Cut, and if need be even the Super DUPER Extended Cut.

Mass Effect 3: The Final Cut.....directed by Ridley Scott 

[3DandBeyond]

Tleining wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Kudos to Hackett's voice actor, Lance Henriksen though. He was amoung the first to sit down and say, Yep, the ending missed the mark by a wide margin. For someone who had ties to the product to acknowledge a grave concern of the fanbase gives him +50dkp.

did he? Do you have a link for that? All i remember is his interview with G4tv, after he was asked to record additional lines for the Extended Cut. And the stuff he says there ..... missed the whole Point of what the Fans were upset about.
"just an oversight"

Well of necessity I am sure he softened the words because he knew it would creat a firestorm, but I do remember him saying that the ending was too abrupt for fans (paraphrasing).

For the record, I have no qualms with Hackett's VA, very well done and an actor I've always liked, nor with the idea that Hackett is "top dog", I just have issues with the way the writers worked him in.  Shepard through ME1 and 2 was sort of a lone wolf in a way, making the call and in all 3 stories everyone including Hackett and Anderson rely on Shepard to make the calls and save everyone's butts.  But at some point all of a sudden, Hackett's taking over, has all the choices, the pep talk (good as it was), but Shepard was the one everyone, EVERYONE, knew and respected.  Even the freaking Batarians and mercs and Rachni and so on and on.  I half expected people to look at each other when Hackett spoke and ask, "who is that guy?"  And in ME1, Hackett is kind of a half joke to Joker who at one point says to Shepard, "Big surprise, the Alliance needs you for blah, blah blah...."

Again, no slight intended to the idea at all, but it just seemed off.  Like the ending, it was too abrupt of a change for me.

[marstinson]

Thanks for the update, Chris. I look forward to seeing what the team has put together on this.

[Landon7001]

in the end, none of us are stupid, most of us are quite intellegent and theres evidence to back that up in everything weve done across all the internet and all the movements, despite a few who may go too far and let their emotions overwhelm them.....we're also all intimately familiar with the me series, we know all the available facts, we can recognize bs when its being fed to us, we absorb the arrogant pr circular statements that bioware makes and we've recieved their subtle/sometimes not so subtle insulting insinuations, we've identified the bs of game reviewers and now know them for what they are......in the end, at some point, we will someday move on.....even classics fade into history as new things arise.....but in the end its bioware who will suffer most , their trust and respect lost......regardless if the ec does some good, it should have been there to begin with, the damage and lies are done, "closure" should have already been there, but of course closure isnt the biggest problem with the ending.....and it has really hurt and disturbed all of us yeah, but its just ashame, b/c look at the games they created before, just look at how good they were an dthe magic they had.....

Modifié par Landon7001, 23 juin 2012 - 05:07 .

[Volc19]

Well, I will now start a trilogy marathon for this weekend. I won't go too quickly, seeing as I want reaching ME3 to be on at least monday. I suppose I can always go out of my way to do all of the sidequests.

Nevertheless, I'll make myself scarce on the internet so I can form my own opinions of the EC. I will experience the trilogy as it should be, complete.

[Haargel]

Hmm hope I can get my 2nd walkthrough at cronos before Thuesday.

My first is messed up, no Javik, and some bugged quests. However I could still pick up Javik now.

[Landon7001]

Volc19 wrote...

Well, I will now start a trilogy marathon for this weekend. I won't go too quickly, seeing as I want reaching ME3 to be on at least monday. I suppose I can always go out of my way to do all of the sidequests.

Nevertheless, I'll make myself scarce on the internet so I can form my own opinions of the EC. I will experience the trilogy as it should be, complete.

I wouldnt do any me 2 side missions {besides dlc and element collecting} as they wont matter and be a waste of time....or any from me 1 aside from a few

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Tleining wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Kudos to Hackett's voice actor, Lance Henriksen though. He was amoung the first to sit down and say, Yep, the ending missed the mark by a wide margin. For someone who had ties to the product to acknowledge a grave concern of the fanbase gives him +50dkp.

did he? Do you have a link for that? All i remember is his interview with G4tv, after he was asked to record additional lines for the Extended Cut. And the stuff he says there ..... missed the whole Point of what the Fans were upset about.
"just an oversight"

Well of necessity I am sure he softened the words because he knew it would creat a firestorm, but I do remember him saying that the ending was too abrupt for fans (paraphrasing).

For the record, I have no qualms with Hackett's VA, very well done and an actor I've always liked, nor with the idea that Hackett is "top dog", I just have issues with the way the writers worked him in.  Shepard through ME1 and 2 was sort of a lone wolf in a way, making the call and in all 3 stories everyone including Hackett and Anderson rely on Shepard to make the calls and save everyone's butts.  But at some point all of a sudden, Hackett's taking over, has all the choices, the pep talk (good as it was), but Shepard was the one everyone, EVERYONE, knew and respected.  Even the freaking Batarians and mercs and Rachni and so on and on.  I half expected people to look at each other when Hackett spoke and ask, "who is that guy?"  And in ME1, Hackett is kind of a half joke to Joker who at one point says to Shepard, "Big surprise, the Alliance needs you for blah, blah blah...."

Again, no slight intended to the idea at all, but it just seemed off.  Like the ending, it was too abrupt of a change for me.

I think Hackett takes over because the top brass at Shepard's trial/emergency planning session got nailed in the Reaper attack. Thank goodness because if they were still in charge they'd be wringing their hands in despair wailing 'Tell us what to do Shepard'! That opinion is based solely on what I saw of them in the prologue. Being in charge of the human military and they couldn't issue orders to mobilise when they came under attack?

Modifié par Redbelle, 23 juin 2012 - 04:55 .

[Landon7001]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Tleining wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Kudos to Hackett's voice actor, Lance Henriksen though. He was amoung the first to sit down and say, Yep, the ending missed the mark by a wide margin. For someone who had ties to the product to acknowledge a grave concern of the fanbase gives him +50dkp.

did he? Do you have a link for that? All i remember is his interview with G4tv, after he was asked to record additional lines for the Extended Cut. And the stuff he says there ..... missed the whole Point of what the Fans were upset about.
"just an oversight"

Well of necessity I am sure he softened the words because he knew it would creat a firestorm, but I do remember him saying that the ending was too abrupt for fans (paraphrasing).

For the record, I have no qualms with Hackett's VA, very well done and an actor I've always liked, nor with the idea that Hackett is "top dog", I just have issues with the way the writers worked him in.  Shepard through ME1 and 2 was sort of a lone wolf in a way, making the call and in all 3 stories everyone including Hackett and Anderson rely on Shepard to make the calls and save everyone's butts.  But at some point all of a sudden, Hackett's taking over, has all the choices, the pep talk (good as it was), but Shepard was the one everyone, EVERYONE, knew and respected.  Even the freaking Batarians and mercs and Rachni and so on and on.  I half expected people to look at each other when Hackett spoke and ask, "who is that guy?"  And in ME1, Hackett is kind of a half joke to Joker who at one point says to Shepard, "Big surprise, the Alliance needs you for blah, blah blah...."

Again, no slight intended to the idea at all, but it just seemed off.  Like the ending, it was too abrupt of a change for me.

IMO there was way too much hackett in me 3, i cringed before every side mission as i had to sit and listen to his slow, gravely voice w/o skipping it.....not a hackett fan....there was a bit too much anderon in the end for me as well....

[BlueStorm83]

--- One thing I am a LITTLE afraid of is that the EC changes the Cerberus Base and the Earth Missions to foreshadow the Starboy. If that's what they've done, I.E. altering the PAST to legitimize the universally hated Storybreaker himself, then they're shooting themselves in the foot. It would obliterate their "We can't change it because it's art" argument while at the same time also saying that they didn't care to actually listen to fans complaints. It would be truly tragic if they've, rather than fixing the shoehorned character's rambling nonsense, just grabbed a bigger shoehorn.

[Redbelle]

Tleining wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Kudos to Hackett's voice actor, Lance Henriksen though. He was amoung the first to sit down and say, Yep, the ending missed the mark by a wide margin. For someone who had ties to the product to acknowledge a grave concern of the fanbase gives him +50dkp.

did he? Do you have a link for that? All i remember is his interview with G4tv, after he was asked to record additional lines for the Extended Cut. And the stuff he says there ..... missed the whole Point of what the Fans were upset about.
"just an oversight"

I think I may have mis-paraphrased LH's comments in that interview. None the less when I read between the lines there is something about his delivery and how his body language becomes more animated, when he talks about  how it ended abruptly, that makes me feel he's got an opinion on abrupt endings in narrative.

Anyhow, I found the link as requested so ppl can judge for themselves.


Lance Henriksen Talks About The New Mass Effect 3 Ending

Modifié par Redbelle, 23 juin 2012 - 05:09 .