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[3DandBeyond]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- One thing I am a LITTLE afraid of is that the EC changes the Cerberus Base and the Earth Missions to foreshadow the Starboy. If that's what they've done, I.E. altering the PAST to legitimize the universally hated Storybreaker himself, then they're shooting themselves in the foot. It would obliterate their "We can't change it because it's art" argument while at the same time also saying that they didn't care to actually listen to fans complaints. It would be truly tragic if they've, rather than fixing the shoehorned character's rambling nonsense, just grabbed a bigger shoehorn.

Again, agree with this and previous comments.

Artistic vision is only that when it's original.  I've studied art a little bit.  Renoir used to sit in museums and copy paintings to learn to paint-he never referred to what he painted as his vision.

I can't copy the Mona Lisa and claim it was my artistic vision.  I might loosely be able to call it art, but the vision was Leonardo da Vinci's, not mine.  He saw the subject in a certain way and painted it to achieve his vision.

This is why the ending is unauthentic.  It is not original and not a well done take on other more original forms of a tired, timeworn model.  In order for an unoriginal use of the items thrown into the ending, the story had to naturally evolve into that and foreshadowing would have had to lead you there.  Hints and then the final epic moment where you are bashed in the head with it.  But, hints if they existed were so subtle as to be universally overlooked.  The message if it was there was not put forth well enough to create any tie in to the ending.  So, the unoriginal artistic vision of others does not work.  The ending lacks emotion and endings, especially an ending where fans are saying goodbye to a series they loved, should be mostly emotion, heavy, pounding, unrelenting, raw.  And after all that build up of emotion, the resolution of conflict, the raw exposed nerve that is poked at, ennervated, there needed to be a real slow cool down with inspirational scenes.  There's nothing at all like that at the end.  I can hope that there is in the EC, but...

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 23 juin 2012 - 05:18 .

[BalooTheBear]

Really want this to work. I don't want to be angry at mass effect, I want to love it! So fingers and toes crossed.

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- One thing I am a LITTLE afraid of is that the EC changes the Cerberus Base and the Earth Missions to foreshadow the Starboy. If that's what they've done, I.E. altering the PAST to legitimize the universally hated Storybreaker himself, then they're shooting themselves in the foot. It would obliterate their "We can't change it because it's art" argument while at the same time also saying that they didn't care to actually listen to fans complaints. It would be truly tragic if they've, rather than fixing the shoehorned character's rambling nonsense, just grabbed a bigger shoehorn.

Again, agree with this and previous comments.

Artistic vision is only that when it's original.  I've studied art a little bit.  Renoir used to sit in museums and copy paintings to learn to paint-he never referred to what he painted as his vision.

I can't copy the Mona Lisa and claim it was my artistic vision.  I might
loosely be able to call it art, but the vision was Leonardo da Vinci's,
not mine.  He saw the subject in a certain way and painted it to
achieve his vision.

This is why the ending is unauthentic.  It is not original and not a well done take on other more original forms of a tired, timeworn model.  In order for an unoriginal use of the items thrown into the ending, the story had to naturally evolve into that and foreshadowing would have had to lead you there.  Hints and then the final epic moment where you are bashed in the head with it.  But, hints if they existed were so subtle as to be universally overlooked.  The message if it was there was not put forth well enough to create any tie in to the ending.  So, the unoriginal artistic vision of others does not work.  The ending lacks emotion and endings, especially an ending where fans are saying goodbye to a series they loved, should be mostly emotion, heavy, pounding, unrelenting, raw.  There's nothing at all like that at the end.

Is art a process of creation? Or the final product?

I mean, yes, I can walk into a gallery and be surrounded by 'art'. But that's from a 3rd person perspective. When I draw I'm dimly aware that I'm producing something that could be considered art. But if it goes to pot and I make a hash of my subject then I see it as failed art. Whereas if I get everything I intended to portray, then it's successful art. That however is from an artists perspective. Putting that art into the public arena will generate a whole host of verdicts on what type of art it is.

[Greed1914]

Landon7001 wrote...

What really keeps infuriating me is their attitudes, how they refuse to give straight, clear answer or address/acknowledge what millions of us have actually been saying {very eloquently} about the ending {plot holes, contradictions,etc.} instead of contionuosly repeating "closure, more closure, they couldnt let go"....or addresing the false advertising they did, they should explain/defend themselves if they can....which obviously they cant.....an apology??? we pay their salaries, we care about their creations, we are why they exist, they say they've been looking for ways to please us yet they ignore almost every critical point we are all saying that really boils down to common sense that anyone can see, especially anyone whos played the past games......ahhhhh, Im tired......

I might have actually been excited about this if I hadn't listened to the podcast on youtube.  Between having all the questions be given by one of their own employees, and the constant clinging to "art" it's pretty clear that they never really wanted to get it.  It's impossible that after all this time, and seeing the same things over and over, that they couldn't get it. 

Even if this somehow works out, the general attitude hasn't helped.  PR speak and a refusal to actually address fan concerns directly doesn't sound like good customer relations to me. 

[levyjl1988]

Why couldn't they release this on the 25th instead of the 26th? I'll play Skyrim's Dawnguard and watch the ending on Youtube.

[Greed1914]

levyjl1988 wrote...

Why couldn't they release this on the 25th instead of the 26th? I'll play Skyrim's Dawnguard and watch the ending on Youtube.

Because the Xbox and PS3 stores update on Tuesdays. 

[Ieldra]

BlueStorm83 wrote...
--- One thing I am a LITTLE afraid of is that the EC changes the Cerberus Base and the Earth Missions to foreshadow the Starboy. If that's what they've done, I.E. altering the PAST to legitimize the universally hated Storybreaker himself, then they're shooting themselves in the foot. It would obliterate their "We can't change it because it's art" argument while at the same time also saying that they didn't care to actually listen to fans complaints. It would be truly tragic if they've, rather than fixing the shoehorned character's rambling nonsense, just grabbed a bigger shoehorn.

Why are you *afraid* of that? That's one of the things we complained about, right? That it came out of nowhere. It won't go away to be replaced by a Crucible manual, that's for sure.

Anyway, Merizan said in a tweet that all the new content is after the long walk in Priority:Earth. Maybe Cronos Station has something to do with the EMS fix, but there won't be any new content in the mission there.

[Arathyl]

does anybody know when the DLC will be released for xbox 360 in europe??

[TK514]

I haven't had any hope for the EC since they announced that it would 'clarify' the endings rather than change them, so having Hudson and Walters continue to arrogantly alienate former BioWare customers like myself doesn't surprise me in the least.

At this point, I half expect the EC to just be ten minutes of a really high resolution middle finger that pops up with the 'buy more DLC' message at the end. It would certainly be on message to everything they've said so far.

[im commander shep]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- One thing I am a LITTLE afraid of is that the EC changes the Cerberus Base and the Earth Missions to foreshadow the Starboy. If that's what they've done, I.E. altering the PAST to legitimize the universally hated Storybreaker himself, then they're shooting themselves in the foot. It would obliterate their "We can't change it because it's art" argument while at the same time also saying that they didn't care to actually listen to fans complaints. It would be truly tragic if they've, rather than fixing the shoehorned character's rambling nonsense, just grabbed a bigger shoehorn.

With the fact that they want you to start from the Cerberus base, I do think this could be the plan and if this is the case then I would be very dissapointed and they would have made the ending even worse.

One hope being that we have to start from the Cerberus base, is that there will be more developed and expanded scenes with LI especially ME2 love interests prior or during the priority earth mission. (I'm not just talking love scenes here)

There is one way that the EC could just save the end of ME3, CREATE AN OPTION TO REJECT THE STAR KIDS LOGIC AND CREATE A FOURTH CHOICE, how this would play out and would it make sense I don't know but this fix would at least hopefully provide a more logical ending than what we got. (Especially as the said they have been listening to our feedback and the issues we had with the ending.)

[Landon7001]

10 minutes does not really excite me, its not very much....maybe it'll actually be more....

[Archonsg]

The attack on Cerberus HQ besides being the "point of no return" is also the logical point as it will allow, gods willing inclusion of extra cinematics of our assets such as the missing Volus Bombers and such. Same for London, and fleet attack for Earth. Terminus forces, dino riding krogans, missing geth fleet and ground forces, mercs and other assets that were missing from the original cut.

However, because it is stated that the ending itself isn't changed, it also means that they will have to try to shoehorn in "clarifications and explanations" to fit the current ending.

While I am hoping that there will be some retconning of events, i doubt that will happen.
More likely, they will just insert in scenes in hope that it will fill both plot and logic holes and leave the ending, their "artistic vision" intact.

It would be interesting to see just what kind of rabbit Bioware will pull out of the hat.

[im commander shep]

TK514 wrote...

I haven't had any hope for the EC since they announced that it would 'clarify' the endings rather than change them, so having Hudson and Walters continue to arrogantly alienate former BioWare customers like myself doesn't surprise me in the least.

At this point, I half expect the EC to just be ten minutes of a really high resolution middle finger that pops up with the 'buy more DLC' message at the end. It would certainly be on message to everything they've said so far.

hahaha

I bet we still get the buy DLC message and a note about how nice they are giving us this EC for free and now we owe them.

[crimzontearz]

was the lack of an expansion on the "Shepard lives“ ending confirmed?

[Ieldra]

BalooTheBear wrote...
Really want this to work. I don't want to be angry at mass effect, I want to love it! So fingers and toes crossed.

Indeed. And I'm not that hard to please. If the Catalyst dialogue is changed to make sense, then I can live with the rest. I just don't want the Catalyst dialogue to be an insult to my intelligence.

[Greed1914]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- One thing I am a LITTLE afraid of is that the EC changes the Cerberus Base and the Earth Missions to foreshadow the Starboy. If that's what they've done, I.E. altering the PAST to legitimize the universally hated Storybreaker himself, then they're shooting themselves in the foot. It would obliterate their "We can't change it because it's art" argument while at the same time also saying that they didn't care to actually listen to fans complaints. It would be truly tragic if they've, rather than fixing the shoehorned character's rambling nonsense, just grabbed a bigger shoehorn.

I hadn't considered that, and I agree with you.  That would actually make things worse. 

[Ieldra]

People, get over yourselves. Removing the starchild was never an option.

[Saodade]

wait and see.

[NM_Che56]

I'm excited.

[NM_Che56]

Landon7001 wrote...

10 minutes does not really excite me, its not very much....maybe it'll actually be more....

1.9GB.  That's bigger than LOTSB.

[Tiger]

Are they going to explain how Shepard survives the Citadel blowing up and crash landing on Earth? :/

[NM_Che56]

DarthShadow13 wrote...

Are they going to explain how Shepard survives the Citadel blowing up and crash landing on Earth? :/

No.  That would've been 1.1GB more and wouldve exceeded dlc cap

[LazyTechGuy]

Master Che wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

Are they going to explain how Shepard survives the Citadel blowing up and crash landing on Earth? :/

No.  That would've been 1.1GB more and wouldve exceeded dlc cap

Where was that said?

[NM_Che56]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Master Che wrote...

DarthShadow13 wrote...

Are they going to explain how Shepard survives the Citadel blowing up and crash landing on Earth? :/

No.  That would've been 1.1GB more and wouldve exceeded dlc cap

Where was that said?

Go a few posts up.