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[LazyTechGuy]

@Master Che, I don't see where it's stated that they won't explain the ending where Shepard lives because it was 1.1 GB over the cap.

[Persephone]

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

This is not what we wanted. You never listened to us. You ignored us at every interval.

Congrats BioWare, you're the NEW Lionhead Studios. Casey Hudson is your Peter Molyneux. You went from gaining our trust and loyalty to now creating nothing, but lies and disbelief in your fans and consumers.

You never cared about your fans, otherwise we wouldn't have had this "Extended Cut" of the same ending we hated. Drew Karpyshyn should have stayed as lead writer, at least he'd keep Casey Hudson in check.

Thanks for making the amazing adventure meaningless and pointless within the 10min the game ended. If I had known this is what Casey Hudson wanted, I wouldn't have even bothered with ME at all.

Thanks for not listening to your fans. We'll still fight you btw, till we get our better ending.

Um, play it first. It may put those ten minutes into perspective. If not, you can complain then, no?

Still fight? Good luck.

[BalooTheBear]

Probably being dim but where did the ten minutes come from? How do we know the length?

Modifié par BalooTheBear, 23 juin 2012 - 07:18 .

[Kyle Kabanya]

EC being 1.9 GB = Good

Content of the EC = TBD

Anything less than a "happy" ending will start riots. Don't worry guys, I have my torch and pitchfork ready.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

You never cared about your fans, otherwise we wouldn't have had this "Extended Cut" of the same ending we hated. Drew Karpyshyn should have stayed as lead writer, at least he'd keep Casey Hudson in check.

Drew's original Dark Energy ending was just as terrible as the one we got. Arguably moreso. It involved the same broken logic, after all. "Yo dawg, dark energy is destroying the universe. So I'm going to seed the galaxy with technology that uses dark energy and then kill you when you start to use it, because using dark energy destroys the universe."

Probably being dim but where did the ten minutes come from? How do we know the length?

Jessica Merizan on Twitter estimated that it would add about ten minutes of new content per playthrough, with the actual content being added depending highly on your choices in the series.

Modifié par Cpl_Facehugger, 23 juin 2012 - 07:21 .

[BalooTheBear]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

You never cared about your fans, otherwise we wouldn't have had this "Extended Cut" of the same ending we hated. Drew Karpyshyn should have stayed as lead writer, at least he'd keep Casey Hudson in check.

Drew's original Dark Energy ending was just as terrible as the one we got. Arguably moreso. It involved the same broken logic, after all.

Probably being dim but where did the ten minutes come from? How do we know the length?

Jessica Merizan on Twitter estimated that it would add about ten minutes of new content per playthrough, with the actual content being added depending highly on your choices in the series.

Thanks

[Iakus]

BalooTheBear wrote...

Probably being dim but where did the ten minutes come from? How do we know the length?

I think it was Jessica Merizan tweeted that a given run will have about 10 minutes of extra content.  This is only an approximation, though, as it's highly dependant on the choices you've made.

[JShepppp]

Watch as all the clarification stuff is very basic and that we overthought everything.

[Persephone]

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

This is not what we wanted. You never listened to us. You ignored us at every interval.

Congrats BioWare, you're the NEW Lionhead Studios. Casey Hudson is your Peter Molyneux. You went from gaining our trust and loyalty to now creating nothing, but lies and disbelief in your fans and consumers.

You never cared about your fans, otherwise we wouldn't have had this "Extended Cut" of the same ending we hated. Drew Karpyshyn should have stayed as lead writer, at least he'd keep Casey Hudson in check.

Thanks for making the amazing adventure meaningless and pointless within the 10min the game ended. If I had known this is what Casey Hudson wanted, I wouldn't have even bothered with ME at all.

Thanks for not listening to your fans. We'll still fight you btw, till we get our better ending.

Um, play it first. It may put those ten minutes into perspective. If not, you can complain then, no?

Still fight? Good luck.

You forget we're the ones who got you the free DLC and the EC pack coming soon.

So I hope you've enjoyed them.

Oh, I sure liked them so far. And if the EC delivers, I'll send flowers to the Retake movement.

[Persephone]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

Jessica Merizan on Twitter estimated that it would add about ten minutes of new content per playthrough, with the actual content being added depending highly on your choices in the series.

Bolded part is keeping my hopes alive. DAO's epilogue slides were one minute long & wrapped up the WHOLE game. So yes, I am hopeful.

[Cpl_Facehugger]

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

It gave the Reapers a purpose, that they weren't just synthetics killing organics so that synthetics wouldn't kill organics. That type of circular logic is just full of holes.

Indeed. What we got is still terrible, don't get me wrong. It's just Drew's ending wasn't much better.

Neither of them are really what we deserve.

Also Drew's was that to prevent dark energy from destroying the galaxy, the Reapers would harvest intelligent life to preserve themselves and prevent dark energy from getting out of control. Preservation of ones self is a survival instinct.

The plot hole being that mass effect technology involves using dark energy, thus hastening the destruction of the galaxy.

Mass effect technology which is the reapers' technology, which they seeded the galaxy with explicitly so that organics would use it.

You could make an argument that it's like bitter medicine (ie necessary/best of a bunch of bad options) if the other paths of tech devleopment were even more harmful, but that's never brought up anywhere, even in the leaked design docs.

Frankly though, all the planned endings we're aware of are highly flawed.

Bolded part is keeping my hopes alive. DAO's epilogue slides were one
minute long & wrapped up the WHOLE game. So yes, I am hopeful.

While this is true, none of DAO's endings were as massively far reaching as the ones here. I mean, Synthesis represents a fundamental change in how people exist. Control has the reapers fundamentally changing their goals. Destroy wrecked everything, forcing massive rebuilding.

And DAO also lacked the immense plot holes that ME3's ending did re villain motivations.

Modifié par Cpl_Facehugger, 23 juin 2012 - 07:33 .

[wantedman dan]

Just in case anyone hasn't seen it that's been posting today, this is your gentle reminder to ruin your day--and possibly weekend--by watching the podcast video.

[KitaSaturnyne]

The EC has left me caught on a very thin line between optimism and dread. On one hand, it's great that things like the relative lack of content in the ending is being addressed, and that it will reflect more of the choices we've made throughout the trilogy.

On the other hand, the scene with the Catalyst, the very scene that caused such a profound and fundamental disconnect for so many people, seems to be remaining. We are still left with this scene that changes the conflict of the story, at the last possible second. The central conflict of the story was never "Shepard vs. Inevitable Technological Singularity", but rather "The Reapers vs. Everybody". And not only do we learn the Reapers' motivations, which turns them from super powerful killer machines into some ghost child's personal maids, we're forced into making three choices that, at their core, require Shepard to be able to justify an action that's just as, if not more, reprehensible than what the Reapers were already doing to us.

In addition, justifying Joker's retreat from the battle may be possible on some level, but when it comes down to it, it's still Mr. "I'm-With-You-Till-The-End" turning heel and running at the behest of someone who's not his commanding officer. This in itself ends up providing even more of a thematic disconnect in addition to the Catalyst scene.

TL; DR version for those who take part in a text-based message board but don't like to actually READ

I'm quite eager to see the results and consequences of my choices play out in this epilogue, as it certainly addresses one of the major sticking points of the endings in their original form. As far as the root of the problem, the rather violent and upsetting thematic disconnect, its continued presence fills me with dread.

Modifié par KitaSaturnyne, 23 juin 2012 - 07:54 .

[Persephone]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

While this is true, none of DAO's endings were as massively far reaching as the ones here. I mean, Synthesis represents a fundamental change in how people exist. Control has the reapers fundamentally changing their goals. Destroy wrecked everything, forcing massive rebuilding.

And DAO also lacked the immense plot holes that ME3's ending did re villain motivations.

Well, DAO's villain (Archdemon) had no motivation to begin with. Unless "Must destroy everything!" is a motivation.

And DAO past Landsmeet is littered with plotholes and ridiculously bad writing.

[Greed1914]

wantedman dan wrote...

Just in case anyone hasn't seen it that's been posting today, this is your gentle reminder to ruin your day--and possibly weekend--by watching the podcast video.

I honestly wish I hadn't listened to it last night.  I'd probably be more hopeful about this if I hadn't.  

[Archonsg]

Cpl_Facehugger wrote...

OrangeLazarus86 wrote...

You never cared about your fans, otherwise we wouldn't have had this "Extended Cut" of the same ending we hated. Drew Karpyshyn should have stayed as lead writer, at least he'd keep Casey Hudson in check.

Drew's original Dark Energy ending was just as terrible as the one we got. Arguably moreso. It involved the same broken logic, after all.

Concur.
Most people don't realise that there were two choices in Drew's version.
1) murder the entire human race to stop dark energy from destroying the galaxy
2) destroy the reapers and take our chances in hopes we develop something and perhaps dooming us all.

Both current and Drew's ending relied heavily on "space magic"
Am I correct so far?
Anyways, since Drew left the project and to date has not commented on whether he would have revised his original script after the first "crapstorm" when that original ending was leaked, we can't really say it "was better".

Well perhaps, since it wasn't ONE SAME THEMATIC ENDING.
Shepard commits suicide, relays destroyed, Normandy and Crew, even those who were with you at the time when you were hit by Harbinger's beam, leaves you behind, Joker and EDI or Joker and your love interest is referenced in an Adam and Eve scenario after crash landing on a paradise planet.

Pretty sure Drew can do better, IF he takes fan / player response into consideration.

[TemplePhoenix]

Looking forward to Tuesday. Fingers crossed, four Sheps ready and raring to go...

[RaenImrahl]

Greed1914 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Just in case anyone hasn't seen it that's been posting today, this is your gentle reminder to ruin your day--and possibly weekend--by watching the podcast video.

I honestly wish I hadn't listened to it last night.  I'd probably be more hopeful about this if I hadn't.  

This particular horse has been beaten to death.  Let's move on, huh?

[wantedman dan]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Greed1914 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Just in case anyone hasn't seen it that's been posting today, this is your gentle reminder to ruin your day--and possibly weekend--by watching the podcast video.

I honestly wish I hadn't listened to it last night.  I'd probably be more hopeful about this if I hadn't.  

This particular horse has been beaten to death.  Let's move on, huh?

I'm simply facilitating discussion.

[Greed1914]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Greed1914 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

Just in case anyone hasn't seen it that's been posting today, this is your gentle reminder to ruin your day--and possibly weekend--by watching the podcast video.

I honestly wish I hadn't listened to it last night.  I'd probably be more hopeful about this if I hadn't.  

This particular horse has been beaten to death.  Let's move on, huh?

To be fair, all horses have been beaten to death. 

[ioannisdenton]

How the "harbinger flies away" is going to be treated in EC?

[wantedman dan]

ioannisdenton wrote...

How the "harbinger flies away" is going to be treated in EC?

KTHNXBAI I KILLED UR SHEPARD LAWL

[NM_Che56]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

@Master Che, I don't see where it's stated that they won't explain the ending where Shepard lives because it was 1.1 GB over the cap.

Look again.  Page 42. Towards the bottom.  Just before ur post.