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[clarkusdarkus]

I'm just totally baffled as how they even think it's about closure, and about us letting go of characters, i played renegade...i bloody killed characters for fun, it's the lack of awareness towards what we were told for nigh on 5 years regarding the series. When walters talked in the podcast my toes did curl up... i just felt myself going YOUUUUUUUU!!!!

[The Angry One]

Hudson and Walters especially sealed themselves away and basically refused to listen to feedback, calling anything that actually criticised them "destructive".

Look at Walters' twitter. The only tweet he responded to in months was one calling what he did "artful" (of course).
I'm not saying they need to respond or acknowledge the insults, of course. But there were numerous level headed arguments directed towards them detailing exactly what the problems were which they totally ignored. That does not impress me.

[Taboo]

The damage is done. Mr. Hudson will not be able to face the community again in the same capacity. It doesn't matter what he does now.

The EC is a net cast. Made from smarminess and closure. That will work because it always does. I don't mind at this point because I'm more than pleased to be getting something at all.

If I don't like it, I can always use the original cut as my preferred version, with my personal head canon intact, which is what they wanted you to do in the first place.

[Agamemnon2589]

Oh, cool, Extended Cut DLC on -- OOOH LOOK SKYRIM!

[The Angry One]

You know Skyrim has some exceptionally dumb plot points, but given the nature of the game you can ignore them.
Not so with ME3.

[BlueStorm83]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

So, Yes the horse is dead.
But not the issue that killed it.

This forum, and this thread, are about the story of the game and not the performance of two Bioware employees in a video.  We will know how effective or ineffective the Extended Cut is next week. 

If you believe the developers need to publicly dine on ashes for their sins, then the point's been made.  Move on.  Discuss the actual game.

---  I'm sorry to be argumentative, but you're wrong about what this thread is about.  The title of the thread is "Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut DLC Coming June 26."  Any and all information, discussion, speculation, nay-saying, opinion, and anything else about the Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut DLC seems to be valid on that merit.  It would ALSO be valid to discuss June 26th.  For instance, it will be the first full day that my cousin enjoys as a seven year old.  Incidentally, he and his father refrained from buying copies of Mass Effect 3, even though the three of us enjoyed the Multiplayer of the demo together, due to the very controversy that brought about the Extended Cut in the first place.

I truly do not care what happens to Casey Hudson and Mac Walters.  If they turn to pure energy and transcend the mortal plane, if they sit in the ashes and scrape themselves with shards of pottery a'la Job from the old testament, or if the two of them absorb so much criticism that they detonate with enough force to destroy the planet Earth; none of that matters in the slightest to me.  What I want is simple: I want the Extended Cut to NOT merely be an expounding on a travesty that was a betrayal of the game's universe, a removal the free-choice and conversation mechanics that came before, the reduction of an Unknowable Evil into a Wind-Up Attack Dog, and the shoehorning in of three choices that leave my friends and allies equally boned predicated on an argument that Shepard has seemingly disproved at least twice within that one game alone, and indeed at the speed with which I played the game that I had disproven merely 3 hours prior on Rannoch, where I made the Quarrians and the Geth kiss, make up, and promise to be best friends FOREVER.

There are precedents for artists of all forms, be they writers, musicians, sculptors, painters, woodworkers, architects, what have you, to change something that they have made if it did not work.  The statement has been made that the ending of Mass Effect 3 was made to inspire hope.  For the seeming majority of fans (and the totality of people I know personally who have played the game) that did not happen.  Therefore the ending did not do what it tried to do.  That's all.  No personal insults, no death threats, I'm not saying that BioWare should disappear into the bowels of hell.  All I am saying is "Hello, fellow game and story enthusiasts.  Your ending missed the mark.  You can fix it, and we can all be happy."  That's it.

Oh, and I'm also asking to not be called stupid since I didn't "understand" the ending.  That's a bit of a sticking point too.

[Henioo]

It'll be pretty funny if the EC is quite poor, and they worked on it for so long, and we'll get a new sotry DLC in a month or so.

Which will prove they didn't work on it as hard as they said they did.

[Rafficus III]

BSN can be a miserable place at times. Maybe it's just me, but I believe some posters have envisioned and desired vastly unrealistic demands of the company as well as having become blind to their own animosity only to justify it by their love of the series. I've been critical of not only the ending and other portions of ME3, and have voiced such criticisms in their appropriate places. However, attempting to critique content not yet released (or completely spoiled online) and continue flagrant criticism towards Walters and Hudson seems unbecoming and premature. I understand the hard feelings, but my word give these guys a break already. The EC isn't even out yet, so we don't know how good or bad it may be. For those clamoring for a new ending, please move on as I highly doubt they will ever scrap the entire ending and provide a new one for an impatient and now hostile fanbase; it should be noted, most whom I have talked to who want this want it for free. Something which would be costly and lengthy to do.... and they want it for free. And for those still calling for Hudson and Walters heads, let it go. They helped bring in this series, the fans simply spoke what they wanted more and less of; so as a human being to another, don't become so consumed with resentment towards the two for ten minutes who wound up bringing you the series you cherish, the ending happened and it is over and done with. They listened, they took polls, they did surveys, and they set themselves up for scathing criticism. I've read the "nice" critiques and they are far from such, many outright insulting the crew. Anyways, I'm done venting. I look forward to the EC and hope all turns well. If not, I can legitimately say I still cherish the series because of everything outside those final ten minutes.

[The Angry One]

Yes it's vastly unrealistic for me to expect Commander Shepard to fight the Reapers and not surrender to them.
It's vastly unrealistic for me to expect Joker, who declared his undying loyalty and guilt over getting Shepard killed to at least try to stay around and save Shepard.

It's vastly unrealistic to expect the themes and characterisations of the entire trilogy to carry on into the ending, and that given that the ending failed to do this that the creators would recognise their obvious mistakes and fix them.

Is this what BioWare has become? Where even basic, logical things are now vastly unrealistic?

[Landon7001]

i REMEMBER BACK TO THE DAYS of me 1 and me 2, watching interviews with hudson, walters and others....mass effect was awesome and magical in its effectivness. bioware was fan friendly and there was communication and they could do no wrong.....I never NEVER could have foreseen this.....how can ppl who created such detailed, brilliant things create such an egregious plot hole -ridden, illogical, contradictorytacked on, scrapped together endng.....and how could these same ppl have such an dramatic change in personality even BEFORE me 3 came out with all of their BLATANT lies and then of course their handling {they are smart ppl, no way they didnt see this coming b/c they know we are smart ourselves} of their first huge critiscm....its the worst handling of a situation by a comoany that i can remember ever...really EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS WHOLE SITUATION IS UNPRECEDENTED....from all theyve done to the movements like reatke an dwhat they accomplished.....its just crazy.........but in the end, i dont give a **** about any of that....i just want a good satisfying, detailed ending that makes sense and gives my shepard whos an extension of me the opportunity to live an dbe w/ my LI....this series has been based on meticulous detail and player decision....and both of those went put the friegen window no where to be found....

[wantedman dan]

The Angry One wrote...

Yes it's vastly unrealistic for me to expect Commander Shepard to fight the Reapers and not surrender to them.
It's vastly unrealistic for me to expect Joker, who declared his undying loyalty and guilt over getting Shepard killed to at least try to stay around and save Shepard.

It's vastly unrealistic to expect the themes and characterisations of the entire trilogy to carry on into the ending, and that given that the ending failed to do this that the creators would recognise their obvious mistakes and fix them.

Is this what BioWare has become? Where even basic, logical things are now vastly unrealistic?

Hahahaha.

Pure, unadulterated ownage.

[Descy_]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Oh, cool, Extended Cut DLC on -- OOOH LOOK SKYRIM!

For Dawnguard!

[Ieldra]

hornedfrog87 wrote...
BSN can be a miserable place at times. Maybe it's just me, but I believe some posters have envisioned and desired vastly unrealistic demands of the company as well as having become blind to their own animosity only to justify it by their love of the series.

Yeah, that's my impression as well. Bioware always said they wouldn't change the ending, but clarify it and add some closure, which is what many people asked for. Now that they deliver what they said they would, how the hell is that bad?

Also, to expect all plot-holes to be fixed is silly. Every story has its plot-holes. ME3's ending may have had more than average (all right, a lot more) but most small ones would've been overlooked had the ending not been so depressing.

I look forward to the EC and hope all turns well. If not, I can legitimately say I still cherish the series because of everything outside those final ten minutes.

Indeed. I've done a lot of interpretation since ME3 came out. If the EC isn't good, I have something to fall back on. And if it is good, which means mostly if the Catalyst's exposition is changed and now makes sense and there's some explicit hope for the rebuilding of galactic civilization in fairly short order, then...well...it's possible that I'll be happy with the result. Whatever happens, I can move on. Given the mood here on BSN, maybe that's a good thing,

Modifié par Ieldra2, 23 juin 2012 - 09:49 .

[jinxter69]

Agree with hornedfrogs87 that heaping insults on an item not yet released is premature. However, let me do point out one thing, that way too many posts are forgetting. They are not CHANGING any of the endings. Most of us that post, can agree that the ending were thematically different and an illogical ending to a great series. So what exactly are they clarifying? Giving us more info as to how people ended up where they were? Do we really need clarification to a bad ending? I have believed, from the point where they stated they were doing nothing more than clarifying, that I already had no hope that they would pull their respective heads out and fix what they screwed up. NO amount of clarification will fix this.

This won't stop me from playing it, it will allow me to see more of the characters I came to care for...but it won't make it better. It FIXES nothing.

Casey Hudson and Mac Walters are party to the creation of one of the best Trilogies ever made, and they are also party to among the worst ENDINGS ever made. That IS their legacy...

[wantedman dan]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Indeed. I've done a lot of interpretation since ME3 came out. If the EC isn't good, I have something to fall back on. And if it is good, which means mostly if the Catalyst's exposition is changed and now makes sense and there's some explicit hope for the rebuilding of galactic civilization in fairly short order, then...well...it's possible that I'll be happy with the result. Whatever happens, I can move on. Given the mood here on BSN, maybe that's a good thing,

So, because you're tickled pink to have paid >/= $60 to play imagination time, the rest of us should be?

[The Angry One]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Yeah, that's my impression as well. Bioware always said they wouldn't change the ending, but clarify it and add some closure, which is what many people asked for. Now that they deliver what they said they would, how the hell is that bad?

Maybe, just maybe, people thought they wouldn't be so obtuse and pig-headed to actually follow through with that idea given that it is clearly not enough.
The ending does not need clarification. It is broken. It needs to be fixed.

[Taboo]

Then can still do a great deal in ten minutes.

Fixed "plot holes" and such. Closure, Clarification can do quite a bit.

You don't get anything most of the time. Play it an then say something if you don't like it. The EC is huge, larger than LotSB.

Just wait and see.

[Jamie9]

I lose my internet for one day and look what happens. Ugh, I have expectations.

PLEASE be good.

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Then can still do a great deal in ten minutes.

Fixed "plot holes" and such. Closure, Clarification can do quite a bit.

You don't get anything most of the time. Play it an then say something if you don't like it. The EC is huge, larger than LotSB.

Just wait and see.

You keep repeating these talking points.

Methinks you're saying it for yourself rather than to argue with everybody else.

[NM_Che56]

As stated a few posts up, BSN can be a miserable place especially when people **** about the same **** over and over and over. if ur that pissed, then boycott bioware and kindly shut up about it. Be disgruntled and pout somewhere else. Hell. Start ur own message board where u all can ****** in a circle jerk to how bad bioware is. Just keep it over there.

Damn. Miserable ass, entitled crows...

[Taboo]

I don't like what I got either Daniel, but I can't assume that everything is going to change to fit what I want.

The endings are ****. But I don't have a choice but to swallow it at face value. It cannot get worse, so I can't imagine the EC will be anything but an attempt to recoup as many people as possible.

[Greed1914]

Master Che wrote...

As stated a few posts up, BSN can be a
miserable place especially when people **** about the same **** over
and over and over. if ur that pissed, then boycott bioware and kindly
shut up about it. Be disgruntled and pout somewhere else. Hell. Start
ur own message board where u all can ****** in a circle jerk to how bad
bioware is. Just keep it over there.

Damn. Miserable ass, entitled crows...

Ah, yes.  No room for opinions that don't agree with yours. 

[wantedman dan]

Taboo-XX wrote...

I don't like what I got either Daniel, but I can't assume that everything is going to change to fit what I want.

The endings are ****. But I don't have a choice but to swallow it at face value. It cannot get worse, so I can't imagine the EC will be anything but an attempt to recoup as many people as possible.

What the majority of people want--the vast majority--is to have a narratively competent and logical ending. The very fact that the EC was necessary to do such is inexcusable.

If they don't perform, it's unforgivable. 

I shouldn't be content with the fact that I was necessitated to demand this occur.

[wantedman dan]

Master Che wrote...

As stated a few posts up, BSN can be a miserable place especially when people **** about the same **** over and over and over. if ur that pissed, then boycott bioware and kindly shut up about it. Be disgruntled and pout somewhere else. Hell. Start ur own message board where u all can ****** in a circle jerk to how bad bioware is. Just keep it over there.

Damn. Miserable ass, entitled crows...

That's why we're the ones cawing about, being metamiserable, right?

[Taboo]

Yes, I agree. It is unacceptable. What they did was utterly pathetic. I have never seen an execution so poor in my entire life. It goes against basic rules of writing AND open endings.

But that's the way it is.

Bioware would be VERY foolish to ever try this again, and it should remind them that you should NEVER make things more complicated than they need to be,

The EC can fix things to some degree but to think it will fix everything is foolish.

But again, this is where we're at.