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Actually, you are quite wrong.


Actually, I'm quite right.  The Catalyst says quite clearly regarding the Crucible's functions, "I can't make them happen."  That's about as straightforward as it gets.

In regards to Bioware changing the ending completely, that would be the worst possible thing they could do.  Why?  Because the conclusion, like it or not, logically follows the rest of the story.  The goal was to use the Crucible, and you spent the entire game collecting assets for it and the assault who's purpose was to get the Crucible in position to fire.  The fact that you get to choose how you use the Crucible?  Follows the theme of choice that's been in all three games.  If Bioware put out a brand new ending it would either be so similar to what we already have that it would be pointless to do, or it would be drastically different and disconnect the ending from the rest of the game.  Furthermore, as much as people claim that everyone agrees on how it should end, everyone's still got their own ideas.  Hell, the fact that so many people want to argue against using the Crucible with the Catalyst demonstrates a lack of awareness of the situation.  It makes no sense for a protagonist with a fully functional brain to argue against using his own weapon (which he was ordered to do at all costs, and given the chance to do at the cost of hundreds if not thousands of lives and countless hours of labor) while people are dying in the space around him. 
In short, it's Bioware's story, so it's their perogative to tell it how they want.  They're doing us a favor by expanding on thier endings, and contrary to what people say, the solution they've chosen could easily improve the ending drastically.

Problem is, again, that relies on the kid telling the truth.  I cannot comprehend any thinking person in Shepard's shoes trusting a word the kid says.  He's been turning people into goo.

Uh, the fact that there are 3 inserted choices that have nothing to do with the choices you already made (other than if you have EMS or not) renders them meaningless as far as the story is concerned.  The crucible was a flawed idea, but the star kid is the part most take issue with-that and the dumb choices.

The choices are like this---you play a game of (American) football.  Your team runs that ball down the field, passes it, gets first downs, keeps making forward progress towards the end zone.  At the one yard line, the game stops and up pops 3 buttons that will determine the outcome of the whole game.  Everything you did before got you there, but all that you did or could still do means nothing.  Button 1-touchdown, you win, but half your team must die and you might die.  Button 2-no touchdown, but you control the ball and you die.  Button 3-your team and the other team all become one big team and you die.  Seriously, my point is nothing led to those 3 choices-they are from another game.  They are from Deus ex (2000 game)-destroy, merge, control. 

The kid is another matter and the crucible is a seperate matter.  The ending is completely disconnected from the game as it is.  The reapers were the antagonists-if they wanted the kid to be, then he should have been introduced as such far earlier than in the last few moments of the game.  And his dialog-his ugh, logic, is some of the worst I've read in anything in my many years of life.  He totally disregards choices made in 3 games and in ME3 itself.  The dyring reaper on Rannoch told my Shepard that synthetics and organics must fight-my Shepard said that wasn't true.  My Shepard also said you don't condemn a whole race to extinction based upon what might happen, yet says nothing when the star kid says some future synthetics might kill organics so to save organics he must kill them now.  BS, total ridiculous crapola of the highest magnitude.  This has no basis for any believability. 

Did you play ME1 and 2?  I can't see how you could have.  There was nothing to point us to this kid popping up and spewing this garbage.  Nothing.

Sure it's Bioware's prerogative to do whatever they want with it-I can make fish and pickle cookies and try to sell them, too.  But if I promise you I'm going to make chocolate chip cookies and you buy the cookies and they are fish and pickle cookies, is that my prerogative to give you what I want to give you?  And not what you want or were told you'd get?

Casey Hudson repeatedly said the game is a collaboration between the fans and Bioware-to quote Inigo Montoya, "I don't think that word means what he (sic) thinks it means."  He repeatedly said it was as much our story as theirs.  But, yes they have the right to do whatever they want with it.  So, if in the EC they decide that the kid is really Lady Gaga and she's using reapers as her back up dancers and it's all been one big joke.  And Shepard turns into Queen Elizabeth wearing a bikini, would that be ok with you if that's their vision of how the game should end? 

Should consumers if they have a problem with a product and if they were misled by certain statements made about that product just "live with it"?  Keep in mind ME3's ending not only impacts ME3, but 1 and 2, and numerous graphic novels, collectibles, and other accessory items fans bought.  Replayability is a big selling point for games and part of the value, the price.  If nothing substantial is changed with the EC, for most replayability is gone-for 3 games.  And quite often people have been told to play it all again for a completely different experience-well, if all you get are the same 3 choices and endings basically, there is not completely different experience.  Maybe the EC will help some of this, but having the 3 choices just ruins all this.  The game actually just falls off a cliff.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 juin 2012 - 06:31 .


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 C and P'ed because the Desperadoes are on ;)

No matter what the quality of the EC is, we can't complain. BioWare has put itself in the ultimate position in the public eye. If we complain, the journalists will be all over us. The simple fact of the matter is us never buying a BioWare game doesn't matter. Us regulars on the forums are MAYBE 50-100 lost sales. 

BioWare, you dogs! You guys are geniuses! I don't know what to say, you guys have won outright. :blush:

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Landon7001 wrote...

most ppl agree on the following: plot holes, what they are, that they were lied to concerning the ending, that the endings lacked in quantity and in variety in the 3 we got as the cut scenes were virtually identical, that the ideas of the endin options given were offensive, that me 2 characters esp. LIs were treated very poorly, that the catalysts logic was circular and made no sense and finally that the fact there is no chance for an ending w/ shep reuniting w/ LI is F'ed up......anything else??


Exactly, plus the replacement of the antagonists (the reapers) at the most crucial part of the story with no foreshadowing.  It's like the game just stops.  Shepard's stupid, kid's stupid, logic isn't logic, ME2 characters were given mostly quick hello/goodbye missions.  What if someone romanced Jack?  Thane?  Kasumi-not a major character, but I really liked her, was invisible (not there) for most of her ME3 mission.  Grunt had a pretty awesome scene, but then he was gone out of the story.  And then came the horrendous "phone a friend" moment in London.  Great dialogue with those in person, but the rest on the phone-really, really?  Especially after that moment on the Normandy after the Suicide Mission-I thought Shepard had a team right there.   Of course, since Liara was my Shepard's LI, I was glad they included her on the Normandy, but her conversations many times were rather bad.  The good ones were awesome, but in many of the other ones she can't decide if they are merely acquaintances or if they are rehearsing roles for the Exorcist-often she is just looking off into space or doing some incredible head turns.

But the biggest issue with the characters from ME2 is that they are missing at the end-they have no real role in the outcome.  3 stupid inane suicidal, genocidal, godlike choices decide the outcome.  Wow, glad I played reaper tag for that.

If this isn't fundamentally changed (and apparently it isn't) then for shame.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 juin 2012 - 06:44 .


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The Mad Hanar wrote...

 C and P'ed because the Desperadoes are on ;)

No matter what the quality of the EC is, we can't complain. BioWare has put itself in the ultimate position in the public eye. If we complain, the journalists will be all over us. The simple fact of the matter is us never buying a BioWare game doesn't matter. Us regulars on the forums are MAYBE 50-100 lost sales. 

BioWare, you dogs! You guys are geniuses! I don't know what to say, you guys have won outright. :blush:


Agreed-paid reviewers will be all over this saying we are totally ungrateful.  They've already been allowed to insult us as it is. 

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Geneaux486 wrote...

You're not looking at it objectively.


In your tagline you have a link for the pro-ending compendium thread-have you really looked at many of the links within that compendium?

Most are not all that pro and some are listed as not being pro, but having good discussions.  One of mine is there, and I clearly stated I didn't like the ending.  Others are sort of pro ending, but most of the discussions in them are about how bad the endings are.

You have a right to your opinion, but saying a plot hole is an unanswered question indicates an unwillingness to try and understand what was being said.  Plot holes are mistakes and there are many.  It doesn't and shouldn't matter to Shepard what the star kid may have seen happen in the past-what should matter and what Shepard should be able to say and the star kid should know is what happened recently-in fact he should know what is happening right outside his window.  The geth and quarians could learn to get along-this totally smashes his logic to bits and it's happening as Shepard wanders off without his/her spine, to decide whether or not to totally wipe out a whole new race of people.

The nature of the 3 choices and what the kid says they will do is what is abhorrent to most of us-they are not choices we feel our Shepards could in good conscience make.  They are further worsened by the necessary suicides or the one impossible to explain gasp of hope, that you think means everything is sunny and bright again.

It would take a monumental effort to go into all this, and it's all been said before.  I've read an awful lot on why people think the ending is "ok", but you really need to read why people think it's horrible.

There are many things we wanted changed and apparently this isn't happening, so all this is probably moot, but there are many great minds that agree that it was awful-literary professors, literary reviewers, unpaid game reviewers, SF writers, and others that are even closer to the whole thing.

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any news on miranda for ec??

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Since the Mod wishes us to move on from discussing the ending, not that I don't think there's plenty of gas left in the tank to pick it apart and extrapolate motives and outcomes based on character studies of those involved, there is one thing I've been wondering about.

New MP maps have also found there way into SP mode to form missions. Since the MP DLC's has anyone been able to play the new MP maps in SP? I ask because potentially the new Earth maps may be used in SP to flesh out the EMS/allies to include fighting a war alongside those you recruited.

I have doubt's that this will happen as it has not been alluded to in the promotion of the ECDLC but until the 26th it remains a possibilty

Modifié par Redbelle, 24 juin 2012 - 08:41 .


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No new ending, so I guess trhey don't really understand what most people wanted :3
I'll dl the EC anyway, but no big hopes..

And I want a wallpaper for the EC with Kaidan not Ash >.>

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Could someone please post a link to these screenshots?? I can't find them anywhere. :( 

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Samuelcd wrote...

Could someone please post a link to these screenshots?? I can't find them anywhere. :( 

there you go

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ioannisdenton wrote...

Samuelcd wrote...

Could someone please post a link to these screenshots?? I can't find them anywhere. :( 

there you go


Thanks!

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Jeez, I didn't visit the forums for two weeks and almost missed the glorious EC-****storm, you guys at EA should really have made an overblown marketing campaign like you did for the actual game!
So, lets see:
10 measly minutes to salvage the horrible endings of ME3? Are you kidding me?
At least I am sure I will get some clarity and closure for some of my most important questions:

- Will you actually be able to make the endings even worse?
- Will origin customers finally get their money back after you had your try to fix the game and messed up for good?

and last but not least:

- How much epic fail can you actually cram into 1.9GB?

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Who else thinks funny that what is presented here:

http://www.masseffec...t/extended_cut/

...is in fact exactly what was advertised before, and what we paid for...but yet we had to fight to get it and the press still calls us crybabies? lol

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3DandBeyond wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

You're not looking at it objectively.


In your tagline you have a link for the pro-ending compendium thread-have you really looked at many of the links within that compendium?

Most are not all that pro and some are listed as not being pro, but having good discussions.  One of mine is there, and I clearly stated I didn't like the ending.  Others are sort of pro ending, but most of the discussions in them are about how bad the endings are.

You have a right to your opinion, but saying a plot hole is an unanswered question indicates an unwillingness to try and understand what was being said.  Plot holes are mistakes and there are many.  It doesn't and shouldn't matter to Shepard what the star kid may have seen happen in the past-what should matter and what Shepard should be able to say and the star kid should know is what happened recently-in fact he should know what is happening right outside his window.  The geth and quarians could learn to get along-this totally smashes his logic to bits and it's happening as Shepard wanders off without his/her spine, to decide whether or not to totally wipe out a whole new race of people.

The nature of the 3 choices and what the kid says they will do is what is abhorrent to most of us-they are not choices we feel our Shepards could in good conscience make.  They are further worsened by the necessary suicides or the one impossible to explain gasp of hope, that you think means everything is sunny and bright again.

It would take a monumental effort to go into all this, and it's all been said before.  I've read an awful lot on why people think the ending is "ok", but you really need to read why people think it's horrible.

There are many things we wanted changed and apparently this isn't happening, so all this is probably moot, but there are many great minds that agree that it was awful-literary professors, literary reviewers, unpaid game reviewers, SF writers, and others that are even closer to the whole thing.

You have two days left till the extended cut why are you beating a dead horse?

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Okies, been reading the few pages since I last posted and guys, Bioware, it really doesn't matter how "cool" the EC is or if it will tie in everything. Seriously, at this point of time, I doubt that they will plug most or even half the gaping logic and plot holes the original ending has left us with and frankly I don't care anymore.

What it will all come down to is, will the EC be good enough to give me a reason to play the game, to see Shepard go through everything from Mass Effect 1 through 3, and if the end is uplifting enough to make me WANT to replay the series and thus buy DLCs.

That is what you guys want right? For us to want to keep playing the game, to want to buy DLCs?
Because I really do hope that was what going through your minds when you made the ECDLC to fix the obvious issue that for many, the current ending as it is, didn't do this.
That the current ending DID NOT give players the uplifting experience to WANT to replay the game and thus WANT to buy future DLCs.

Or I could be wrong and you'll sell tons of DLC content regardless.
If that is the case, congratulations for gaining a new generation of customers, but speaking for myself, I have better things to do then pay and buy services from people who don't want my business.

Modifié par Archonsg, 24 juin 2012 - 01:54 .


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3DandBeyond wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

C and P'ed because the Desperadoes are on ;)

No matter what the quality of the EC is, we can't complain. BioWare has put itself in the ultimate position in the public eye. If we complain, the journalists will be all over us. The simple fact of the matter is us never buying a BioWare game doesn't matter. Us regulars on the forums are MAYBE 50-100 lost sales.

BioWare, you dogs! You guys are geniuses! I don't know what to say, you guys have won outright. :blush:


Agreed-paid reviewers will be all over this saying we are totally ungrateful. They've already been allowed to insult us as it is.


Therein lies the problem, and actually exposes these paid reviewers for what they are.
I work in CS (customer services) too so yes, I do understand the why and hows of treating your customer the right way.
And there is a real difference between complaints and feedback.

A complaint is when someone just tells you something is wrong.
Feedback is when someone tells you WHY something is wrong.
Good feedback tells you why something is wrong, and what is expected of you within reason.


From the older defunct thread, there were a lot of good feedback.
And even after the EC was announced, feedback continued in regards to why the current "artistic vision" is antagonistic towards fans who want to replay this game.

apparently this was mistakenly looked on as "not able to let go" as it were.
Would the EC be enough to change people's minds to want to replay the game if Shepard always dies? I guess it depends on the person playing the game.
As another Ex Bioware writer once pointed out, it is a game and people "play a game to win, to become the hero in the story, to overcome all odds and have an uplifting experience" (paraphrased).
And his point is very valid in the context of the ending and the root cause of the controversy in regards to the ending.

I guess come two more days, we'll know if the ECDLC will address this issue and give us that uplifting experience.
Or since it seems that our feedback was mainly ignored, will probably not.

Modifié par Archonsg, 24 juin 2012 - 01:51 .


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The Angry One wrote...

Yes it's vastly unrealistic for me to expect Commander Shepard to fight the Reapers and not surrender to them.
It's vastly unrealistic for me to expect Joker, who declared his undying loyalty and guilt over getting Shepard killed to at least try to stay around and save Shepard.

It's vastly unrealistic to expect the themes and characterisations of the entire trilogy to carry on into the ending, and that given that the ending failed to do this that the creators would recognise their obvious mistakes and fix them.

Is this what BioWare has become? Where even basic, logical things are now vastly unrealistic?


I know this post is allready several pages "old"

but this... 

you can argue about many problems and plotholes the game had in one way or the other,

but I cant really see how one can argue against this, and it makes me sad :(

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SmellyMetal wrote...

Who else thinks funny that what is presented here:

http://www.masseffec...t/extended_cut/

...is in fact exactly what was advertised before, and what we paid for...but yet we had to fight to get it and the press still calls us crybabies? lol

I find it sad. Regardless of how this turns out, I'm done. I'm just here for the lols now.

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I'd love to get a look at the logic tree once it's been out for awhile - I have a couple of Shepards I never finished ME2 with and I'd like to set them up to have drastically different endings

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roivasff14 wrote...

No new ending, so I guess trhey don't really understand what most people wanted :3
I'll dl the EC anyway, but no big hopes..

And I want a wallpaper for the EC with Kaidan not Ash >.>


---  Yeah, that actually bugged me.  Especially since I didn't even know who the hell she WAS (had to head to the internet, took a while.  Looks nothing like she did in ME1, while Kaiden, though slightly altered, still had his essence.  Like, when I saw him in the hallway in the begining, I was like, "Kaiden!  Hey bro!  I'm not evil!  Wanna go grab some brews and pick up some skanks?")  I'd like the Extended Cut to remove Ashley, and replace her with a character who's not whiny, mean, and racist.  Lawl.

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Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

You're not looking at it objectively.


In your tagline you have a link for the pro-ending compendium thread-have you really looked at many of the links within that compendium?

Most are not all that pro and some are listed as not being pro, but having good discussions.  One of mine is there, and I clearly stated I didn't like the ending.  Others are sort of pro ending, but most of the discussions in them are about how bad the endings are.

You have a right to your opinion, but saying a plot hole is an unanswered question indicates an unwillingness to try and understand what was being said.  Plot holes are mistakes and there are many.  It doesn't and shouldn't matter to Shepard what the star kid may have seen happen in the past-what should matter and what Shepard should be able to say and the star kid should know is what happened recently-in fact he should know what is happening right outside his window.  The geth and quarians could learn to get along-this totally smashes his logic to bits and it's happening as Shepard wanders off without his/her spine, to decide whether or not to totally wipe out a whole new race of people.

The nature of the 3 choices and what the kid says they will do is what is abhorrent to most of us-they are not choices we feel our Shepards could in good conscience make.  They are further worsened by the necessary suicides or the one impossible to explain gasp of hope, that you think means everything is sunny and bright again.

It would take a monumental effort to go into all this, and it's all been said before.  I've read an awful lot on why people think the ending is "ok", but you really need to read why people think it's horrible.

There are many things we wanted changed and apparently this isn't happening, so all this is probably moot, but there are many great minds that agree that it was awful-literary professors, literary reviewers, unpaid game reviewers, SF writers, and others that are even closer to the whole thing.

You have two days left till the extended cut why are you beating a dead horse?


---  Because we're citizens of free countries, and can beat any dead horse we want.  Why are you wasting your time whining at people who don't care that you exist?

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gpost wrote...

I'd love to get a look at the logic tree once it's been out for awhile - I have a couple of Shepards I never finished ME2 with and I'd like to set them up to have drastically different endings


 You and I but we won't.
I had twenty two, 22 save games (male / female paragon / renegade + all romance options) that I was looking forward to replaying, re-exploring to see what each different actions I made from Mass Effect 1 through 3 would play out.

However, it is stated, the ending will not be fundamentally changed; 

Shepard still meets starbrat, Shepard still comits suicide, Joker + Normandy and crew (if nothing is chaged, I will assume even those who were on the ground with you) still leaves you behind and leaves Earth space on a "filler errand", abandoning you, your Love interest and the Normandy crash lands on a "paradise planet in reference to the Adam and Eve mythos and they'll still ask you to buy more DLCs at the end.

So. 
We won't have "drastically different endings". 

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BlueStorm83 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

You're not looking at it objectively.


In your tagline you have a link for the pro-ending compendium thread-have you really looked at many of the links within that compendium?

Most are not all that pro and some are listed as not being pro, but having good discussions.  One of mine is there, and I clearly stated I didn't like the ending.  Others are sort of pro ending, but most of the discussions in them are about how bad the endings are.

You have a right to your opinion, but saying a plot hole is an unanswered question indicates an unwillingness to try and understand what was being said.  Plot holes are mistakes and there are many.  It doesn't and shouldn't matter to Shepard what the star kid may have seen happen in the past-what should matter and what Shepard should be able to say and the star kid should know is what happened recently-in fact he should know what is happening right outside his window.  The geth and quarians could learn to get along-this totally smashes his logic to bits and it's happening as Shepard wanders off without his/her spine, to decide whether or not to totally wipe out a whole new race of people.

The nature of the 3 choices and what the kid says they will do is what is abhorrent to most of us-they are not choices we feel our Shepards could in good conscience make.  They are further worsened by the necessary suicides or the one impossible to explain gasp of hope, that you think means everything is sunny and bright again.

It would take a monumental effort to go into all this, and it's all been said before.  I've read an awful lot on why people think the ending is "ok", but you really need to read why people think it's horrible.

There are many things we wanted changed and apparently this isn't happening, so all this is probably moot, but there are many great minds that agree that it was awful-literary professors, literary reviewers, unpaid game reviewers, SF writers, and others that are even closer to the whole thing.

You have two days left till the extended cut why are you beating a dead horse?


---  Because we're citizens of free countries, and can beat any dead horse we want.  Why are you wasting your time whining at people who don't care that you exist?


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Well... It has to be an improvement... at least it can't get any worse...
I only hope they will provide a deeper explanation to the whole synthetic/organic thing and show us that the crew was not deserted on the planet the Normandy crashed on.

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Redbelle wrote...

Since the Mod wishes us to move on from discussing the ending, not that I don't think there's plenty of gas left in the tank to pick it apart and extrapolate motives and outcomes based on character studies of those involved, there is one thing I've been wondering about.

New MP maps have also found there way into SP mode to form missions. Since the MP DLC's has anyone been able to play the new MP maps in SP? I ask because potentially the new Earth maps may be used in SP to flesh out the EMS/allies to include fighting a war alongside those you recruited.

I have doubt's that this will happen as it has not been alluded to in the promotion of the ECDLC but until the 26th it remains a possibilty


Well, anything is possible since it was confirmed that once you finish the game through the EC, you will be dumped back on the bridge of the Normandy right before the attack on the Cerberus base from where you can continue to do "things" prior to that attack, like new DLC.  I think it was Chris that said Casey Hudson confirmed that-so make of that what you will.