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[BlueStorm83]

Pelle6666 wrote...

Well... It has to be an improvement... at least it can't get any worse...
I only hope they will provide a deeper explanation to the whole synthetic/organic thing and show us that the crew was not deserted on the planet the Normandy crashed on.

It could be worse.  The extra ten minutes COULD be a 1 minute video of your Love interest telling you that she (or he) has been cheating on you with Joker, and then a 1 minute video of the crew all telling you that you can go to hell and getting on the Normandy and leaving earth.  And then an 8 minute video of Joker plowing your LI after the crash.

I don't think it WILL be that.  But it COULD be.

But it won't be.

I do believe that the EC will be an improvement.  I believe that it will address a lot of legitimate problems.

I don't think it'll come anywhere CLOSE to satisfyingly dealing with the Starboy (That would only be Wrex charging into the room (even if he's dead!) grabbing starboy by the arms, tearing those arms off, and then EATING THEM.  Then he says "Synthesize my ass!" and tosses Starboy into the beam, making the Reapers become half machine, half idiot, and they decide to protect Organics from Synthetics by flying into the sun and shooting each other there.)

But yes, the EC will be at least a 50% improvement over the current ending.  Or lack of detail, clarity, and consequence IN the ending.

To encapsulate, Yay EC, but we still have to see how MUCH yay.

[zapkeet]

Sorry that I didn't look through this entire topic and if it's been answered but, just for clarification purposes, can you use a save file that is a post-ending? The one that drops you off before the cerberus base? Or does it have to be a save before you got through the ending and isn't post-ending? Or does the game not recognize it?

[Landon7001]

Archonsg wrote...

Okies, been reading the few pages since I last posted and guys, Bioware, it really doesn't matter how "cool" the EC is or if it will tie in everything. Seriously, at this point of time, I doubt that they will plug most or even half the gaping logic and plot holes the original ending has left us with and frankly I don't care anymore.

What it will all come down to is, will the EC be good enough to give me a reason to play the game, to see Shepard go through everything from Mass Effect 1 through 3, and if the end is uplifting enough to make me WANT to replay the series and thus buy DLCs.

That is what you guys want right? For us to want to keep playing the game, to want to buy DLCs?
Because I really do hope that was what going through your minds when you made the ECDLC to fix the obvious issue that for many, the current ending as it is, didn't do this.
That the current ending DID NOT give players the uplifting experience to WANT to replay the game and thus WANT to buy future DLCs.

Or I could be wrong and you'll sell tons of DLC content regardless.
If that is the case, congratulations for gaining a new generation of customers, but speaking for myself, I have better things to do then pay and buy services from people who don't want my business.

VERY well said

[Landon7001]

zapkeet wrote...

Sorry that I didn't look through this entire topic and if it's been answered but, just for clarification purposes, can you use a save file that is a post-ending? The one that drops you off before the cerberus base? Or does it have to be a save before you got through the ending and isn't post-ending? Or does the game not recognize it?

yes you can, and the ideal point is just b/f the cerberus base for the full ec experience though i think you can still start from earth and will just miss some content...

[RaenImrahl]

zapkeet wrote...

Sorry that I didn't look through this entire topic and if it's been answered but, just for clarification purposes, can you use a save file that is a post-ending? The one that drops you off before the cerberus base?

Yes, that's the saved game you should use.

[Landon7001]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Pelle6666 wrote...

Well... It has to be an improvement... at least it can't get any worse...
I only hope they will provide a deeper explanation to the whole synthetic/organic thing and show us that the crew was not deserted on the planet the Normandy crashed on.

It could be worse.  The extra ten minutes COULD be a 1 minute video of your Love interest telling you that she (or he) has been cheating on you with Joker, and then a 1 minute video of the crew all telling you that you can go to hell and getting on the Normandy and leaving earth.  And then an 8 minute video of Joker plowing your LI after the crash.

I don't think it WILL be that.  But it COULD be.

But it won't be.

I do believe that the EC will be an improvement.  I believe that it will address a lot of legitimate problems.

I don't think it'll come anywhere CLOSE to satisfyingly dealing with the Starboy (That would only be Wrex charging into the room (even if he's dead!) grabbing starboy by the arms, tearing those arms off, and then EATING THEM.  Then he says "Synthesize my ass!" and tosses Starboy into the beam, making the Reapers become half machine, half idiot, and they decide to protect Organics from Synthetics by flying into the sun and shooting each other there.)

But yes, the EC will be at least a 50% improvement over the current ending.  Or lack of detail, clarity, and consequence IN the ending.

To encapsulate, Yay EC, but we still have to see how MUCH yay.

lol.....wrex.....great.....

[Landon7001]

roivasff14 wrote...

No new ending, so I guess trhey don't really understand what most people wanted :3
I'll dl the EC anyway, but no big hopes..

And I want a wallpaper for the EC with Kaidan not Ash >.>

OH NO man I love my screen saver w/ my baby Ash....

[Jeremy Winston]

Does the EC really start back at Cerberus... or is that just because it's when your EMS locks in? Did they add content to the Cerberus mission or right after?

[3DandBeyond]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

roivasff14 wrote...

No new ending, so I guess trhey don't really understand what most people wanted :3
I'll dl the EC anyway, but no big hopes..

And I want a wallpaper for the EC with Kaidan not Ash >.>

---  Yeah, that actually bugged me.  Especially since I didn't even know who the hell she WAS (had to head to the internet, took a while.  Looks nothing like she did in ME1, while Kaiden, though slightly altered, still had his essence.  Like, when I saw him in the hallway in the begining, I was like, "Kaiden!  Hey bro!  I'm not evil!  Wanna go grab some brews and pick up some skanks?")  I'd like the Extended Cut to remove Ashley, and replace her with a character who's not whiny, mean, and racist.  Lawl.

Although I tended to most often save Ashley, it is still bugging me.  Her first appearance was kind of scary-ME1 hair.  But in ME3, she's really shocking.  If you look at her hair behind her right ear, her head has some black smudging on it.  Worst of all is her "uniform".  I recently took another look at it and it looks like her uniform has designs on the legs meant to look like she's wearing stockings and garters.  Apparently for women in the Alliance, the new look is straight out of Trashy Women Today.  And what is up with her dialogue?  "Sorry for keeping you out of the loop."

Still and all, I did feel sorry for her in ME1, liked Kaidan until he tried to insinuate Shepard was being unprofessional in getting friendly with Liara, and then he started expressing feelings for Shepard.  Oh well.  I did like his final words to Shepard if they have a romance, and maybe the EC will give Kaidan lovers some reunion as well as all the other LIs.

[Benchpress610]

Landon7001 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Okies, been reading the few pages since I last posted and guys, Bioware, it really doesn't matter how "cool" the EC is or if it will tie in everything. Seriously, at this point of time, I doubt that they will plug most or even half the gaping logic and plot holes the original ending has left us with and frankly I don't care anymore.

What it will all come down to is, will the EC be good enough to give me a reason to play the game, to see Shepard go through everything from Mass Effect 1 through 3, and if the end is uplifting enough to make me WANT to replay the series and thus buy DLCs.

That is what you guys want right? For us to want to keep playing the game, to want to buy DLCs?
Because I really do hope that was what going through your minds when you made the ECDLC to fix the obvious issue that for many, the current ending as it is, didn't do this.
That the current ending DID NOT give players the uplifting experience to WANT to replay the game and thus WANT to buy future DLCs.

Or I could be wrong and you'll sell tons of DLC content regardless.
If that is the case, congratulations for gaining a new generation of customers, but speaking for myself, I have better things to do then pay and buy services from people who don't want my business.

VERY well said

+1

[3DandBeyond]

Landon7001 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Okies, been reading the few pages since I last posted and guys, Bioware, it really doesn't matter how "cool" the EC is or if it will tie in everything. Seriously, at this point of time, I doubt that they will plug most or even half the gaping logic and plot holes the original ending has left us with and frankly I don't care anymore.

What it will all come down to is, will the EC be good enough to give me a reason to play the game, to see Shepard go through everything from Mass Effect 1 through 3, and if the end is uplifting enough to make me WANT to replay the series and thus buy DLCs.

That is what you guys want right? For us to want to keep playing the game, to want to buy DLCs?
Because I really do hope that was what going through your minds when you made the ECDLC to fix the obvious issue that for many, the current ending as it is, didn't do this.
That the current ending DID NOT give players the uplifting experience to WANT to replay the game and thus WANT to buy future DLCs.

Or I could be wrong and you'll sell tons of DLC content regardless.
If that is the case, congratulations for gaining a new generation of customers, but speaking for myself, I have better things to do then pay and buy services from people who don't want my business.

VERY well said

Yes well said.  The thing is it seems that they purposely underestimated and then impugned the intelligence of their very loyal fanbase.  The question is why and it may hinge on that fact-they have decided they want a different fanbase.  MP is one aspect of that.  Almost all of us know that MP can be fun, but it's not "hardcore" like some other FPSs out there.  ME3 featured better action and some awesome stories and character action, but a lot of it was reaper tag and characters we liked were there and then gone from view.  The story scenes, missions with friends, were mostly good, but sometimes it was like, "why bother?"  Kasumi and Zaeed, and many of the initial Miranda conversations and the Jacob mission.  I ended up really liking Miranda and Jacob and seeing their different personalities.  I saw Miranda as similar in many ways to Jack-tormented in a different way, but the product of a ruined childhood.  Miranda (hell all of them) should have had a bigger role.  The reaper tag searches for assets was simple scanning for resources. 

It seems like they are trying to morph their games into something less story rich and character heavy, but why couldn't they have both?  In 2 different games.  It's just amazing to me how a company can take some of the most loyal customers and one of the most diverse groups of fans and so easily and flawlessly make them want to run elsewhere.  Hopefully, I am totally wrong and the EC will be an amazing piece of work, but the choice to show that Joker running away scene with brand spanking new dialogue doesn't seem great.  Of course, I need to know what happens next and maybe they show something that makes sense.  Hope they do.

[Stumpykins]

im hearing alot of people saying that their worried about the length of the ec, i think its been confirmed its around 10 mins mark. What someone needs to do,( i have tried to do it myself but i got bored of looking lol)what someone needs to do is to time the endings of mass effect 1 and 2, you no the moment basically you dont get to play anymore and you sit the control down, if its within the 10-15 mins area then its possible that if utilized properly 10 mins could be enough.

if this makes sense.

[20x6]

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Cosmar wrote...

Honestly I think one of the things they will change is that they will delete the "Shepard gasping for air" scene from the destroy ending. I am pretty sure they will make it be so Shepard is dead no matter what. Also Jennifer Hale had said before that she never got any invites from BW to come back for more Ending stuff (albeit that interview was a few months ago so something could have changed).

However I still am pretty sure they will probably delete that little scene with Shepard breathing in the rubble.

That would be changing the endings. It would also negate the fact they've confirmed they 'tweeking' the EMS so that that ending is easier to obtain for non-MP players. They'd be a bit pissed if they finally get it and it doesn't matter, Shepard's dead (not to mention how pissed all the other people who got the ending will be). Not a smart way to go.

The more important thing in this post is that you stole my name and put four extra characters in front of it.
The only solution I can think of is a fight to the death.

So, forgive me if I'm wrong, but ARE YOU ASKING ME FOR A CHAAAALEEEEEENGE!!!!!????



Me being a dork set aside, I think I'll finish that 2nd playthrough I had going and then load up the EC....
It can't get worse than it already is since I have zero expectations.

[ioannisdenton]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Okies, been reading the few pages since I last posted and guys, Bioware, it really doesn't matter how "cool" the EC is or if it will tie in everything. Seriously, at this point of time, I doubt that they will plug most or even half the gaping logic and plot holes the original ending has left us with and frankly I don't care anymore.

What it will all come down to is, will the EC be good enough to give me a reason to play the game, to see Shepard go through everything from Mass Effect 1 through 3, and if the end is uplifting enough to make me WANT to replay the series and thus buy DLCs.

That is what you guys want right? For us to want to keep playing the game, to want to buy DLCs?
Because I really do hope that was what going through your minds when you made the ECDLC to fix the obvious issue that for many, the current ending as it is, didn't do this.
That the current ending DID NOT give players the uplifting experience to WANT to replay the game and thus WANT to buy future DLCs.

Or I could be wrong and you'll sell tons of DLC content regardless.
If that is the case, congratulations for gaining a new generation of customers, but speaking for myself, I have better things to do then pay and buy services from people who don't want my business.

VERY well said

+1

i do not hate bioware but if EC doesn t remove that meaningless feeling ME had and if it doesnt give me a reason to replay any ME then i am done with them. I highly doubt if any future product will appeal to me. First Dragon age 2 and then Mass effect 3.
Dare i say that Mass effect 3 is way more dissapointing than DA2. we had epxectations , we invested in these blatant advertising lies.
If Ec fails then No more DLC and any future bioware product by me. this is not blackmailing , it is just a direction Bioware has taken that does not suit me anymore.
and i knwo i am not the only one here that feels the same way.

[3DandBeyond]

Landon7001 wrote...

I'll add this....one more time-if shepard is ultimately dead and there is no LI reunion in any scenario....BRACE YOURSELVES FOR TUESADAY BECAUSE ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE.....

Yes, at the very least I absolutely want the LI reunion with a very much sensibly and really alive Shepard (not a gasping charcoal brick torso that fell from space).  I've always said I don't want this to be the only option, but consider this:  A lot of people say that that end scene of a gasping Shepard means that Shepard didn't have to die and a reunion probably happened.  Well I don't buy stories, books, games, go to movies, in order to make up the end myself.  I can do it and I have what I think is an ok imagination, but I pay for stories that show the story. 

Also, consider that for people that have never played MP, don't have xboxlive gold, or don't have a broadband or good internet connection, there is not even the possibility of Shepard's charred torso taking that gasp of hope.  For them, Shepard was always dead.  So, they not only had to find out about the possible good ending (many people only recently found out the gasp was possible), but they had to watch it on youtube (and some people told them to get over it and do just that).  People were so desperate for even a glimmer of hope that they had to watch an ending they could not get on youtube.  What game company does that?

There are some people even now wondering how they will be able to get the EC if they have no internet-I hope there's a solution for them.  I have no idea what it would be, but hope they won't be forgotten.  Maybe there will be a download that can be copied via USB-I know this would work for the PS3, because you can do it for system updates, but don't know about the 360.  I think you need a special copy cable for it if so.  Then people without an internet connection might be able to get the update at a friend's house or something.

[20x6]

Stumpykins wrote...

im hearing alot of people saying that their worried about the length of the ec, i think its been confirmed its around 10 mins mark. What someone needs to do,( i have tried to do it myself but i got bored of looking lol)what someone needs to do is to time the endings of mass effect 1 and 2, you no the moment basically you dont get to play anymore and you sit the control down, if its within the 10-15 mins area then its possible that if utilized properly 10 mins could be enough.

if this makes sense.

10 minutes is quite a bit.

When you think about it, the average sitcom episode is 22 minutes when you take the commercials out of it.
As long as there's no DLC commercials in the EC...

Shepard: "All this dying to space magic makes me thirsty... thirsty for "From Ashes" day 1 DLC.  If you haven't bought it yet, I highly recommend it.  I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite DLC of Mass Effect 3!"  Now if you don't mind, I need to go back to shooting this conduit"!

[3DandBeyond]

Stumpykins wrote...

im hearing alot of people saying that their worried about the length of the ec, i think its been confirmed its around 10 mins mark. What someone needs to do,( i have tried to do it myself but i got bored of looking lol)what someone needs to do is to time the endings of mass effect 1 and 2, you no the moment basically you dont get to play anymore and you sit the control down, if its within the 10-15 mins area then its possible that if utilized properly 10 mins could be enough.

if this makes sense.

That does make sense.  I don't have the hard and fast facts, but I know recently I replayed the suicide mission and for me it was longer than 10 minutes (I was waiting for someone to arrive and know it was at least 30).  The problem with that is, certain plays might take more or less time depending on the person and the level of difficulty setting.

There are actually people who have timed it-someone did 30 minutes, someone did 45, others an hour, so there's a range.  30 minutes was the minimum listed, but someone really good might have done it in less.

As for the epilogue, beginning after you set the timer to destroy the base or destroy just the collectors, I don't think that's very long at all. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 juin 2012 - 05:35 .

[Landon7001]

3DandBeyond wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

roivasff14 wrote...

No new ending, so I guess trhey don't really understand what most people wanted :3
I'll dl the EC anyway, but no big hopes..

And I want a wallpaper for the EC with Kaidan not Ash >.>

---  Yeah, that actually bugged me.  Especially since I didn't even know who the hell she WAS (had to head to the internet, took a while.  Looks nothing like she did in ME1, while Kaiden, though slightly altered, still had his essence.  Like, when I saw him in the hallway in the begining, I was like, "Kaiden!  Hey bro!  I'm not evil!  Wanna go grab some brews and pick up some skanks?")  I'd like the Extended Cut to remove Ashley, and replace her with a character who's not whiny, mean, and racist.  Lawl.

Although I tended to most often save Ashley, it is still bugging me.  Her first appearance was kind of scary-ME1 hair.  But in ME3, she's really shocking.  If you look at her hair behind her right ear, her head has some black smudging on it.  Worst of all is her "uniform".  I recently took another look at it and it looks like her uniform has designs on the legs meant to look like she's wearing stockings and garters.  Apparently for women in the Alliance, the new look is straight out of Trashy Women Today.  And what is up with her dialogue?  "Sorry for keeping you out of the loop."

Still and all, I did feel sorry for her in ME1, liked Kaidan until he tried to insinuate Shepard was being unprofessional in getting friendly with Liara, and then he started expressing feelings for Shepard.  Oh well.  I did like his final words to Shepard if they have a romance, and maybe the EC will give Kaidan lovers some reunion as well as all the other LIs.

ok you guys are pissing me off....ash is my all time favorite me character and main LI, shes not racist or whiny.....you clearly werent paying attention when she rejected shepard in me 2 for working for pro human extremists

[Gemini1179]

*Sigh* Wow, so brave of Casey and Mac to sit down with an impartial party and answer the tough questions... wait...


...So, Casey and Mac were surprised that while they wanted people to use their imaginations regarding the ending, people didn't imagine the same things as them and that confuses them?

This whole situation either gets funnier or sadder as the days wear on.

[Landon7001]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Landon7001 wrote...

I'll add this....one more time-if shepard is ultimately dead and there is no LI reunion in any scenario....BRACE YOURSELVES FOR TUESADAY BECAUSE ALL HELL WILL BREAK LOOSE.....

Yes, at the very least I absolutely want the LI reunion with a very much sensibly and really alive Shepard (not a gasping charcoal brick torso that fell from space).  I've always said I don't want this to be the only option, but consider this:  A lot of people say that that end scene of a gasping Shepard means that Shepard didn't have to die and a reunion probably happened.  Well I don't buy stories, books, games, go to movies, in order to make up the end myself.  I can do it and I have what I think is an ok imagination, but I pay for stories that show the story. 

Also, consider that for people that have never played MP, don't have xboxlive gold, or don't have a broadband or good internet connection, there is not even the possibility of Shepard's charred torso taking that gasp of hope.  For them, Shepard was always dead.  So, they not only had to find out about the possible good ending (many people only recently found out the gasp was possible), but they had to watch it on youtube (and some people told them to get over it and do just that).  People were so desperate for even a glimmer of hope that they had to watch an ending they could not get on youtube.  What game company does that?

There are some people even now wondering how they will be able to get the EC if they have no internet-I hope there's a solution for them.  I have no idea what it would be, but hope they won't be forgotten.  Maybe there will be a download that can be copied via USB-I know this would work for the PS3, because you can do it for system updates, but don't know about the 360.  I think you need a special copy cable for it if so.  Then people without an internet connection might be able to get the update at a friend's house or something.

was going to give you a thumbs up on this post til i noticed your ashley comments.....

[Landon7001]

Gemini1179 wrote...

*Sigh* Wow, so brave of Casey and Mac to sit down with an impartial party and answer the tough questions... wait...


...So, Casey and Mac were surprised that while they wanted people to use their imaginations regarding the ending, people didn't imagine the same things as them and that confuses them?

This whole situation either gets funnier or sadder as the days wear on.

LOL VERY VERY  well said my man.....

[3DandBeyond]

Landon7001 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...


Although I tended to most often save Ashley, it is still bugging me.  Her first appearance was kind of scary-ME1 hair.  But in ME3, she's really shocking.  If you look at her hair behind her right ear, her head has some black smudging on it.  Worst of all is her "uniform".  I recently took another look at it and it looks like her uniform has designs on the legs meant to look like she's wearing stockings and garters.  Apparently for women in the Alliance, the new look is straight out of Trashy Women Today.  And what is up with her dialogue?  "Sorry for keeping you out of the loop."

Still and all, I did feel sorry for her in ME1, liked Kaidan until he tried to insinuate Shepard was being unprofessional in getting friendly with Liara, and then he started expressing feelings for Shepard.  Oh well.  I did like his final words to Shepard if they have a romance, and maybe the EC will give Kaidan lovers some reunion as well as all the other LIs.

ok you guys are pissing me off....ash is my all time favorite me character and main LI, shes not racist or whiny.....you clearly werent paying attention when she rejected shepard in me 2 for working for pro human extremists

Sorry didn't mean to ****** you off-I never saw her as racist and I actually was trying to say I liked her.  I don't dislike Kaidan either-I just thought some of the dialogue was "off".  In ME1, I liked her too and some of the conversations my Shepard had with her were some of the most poignant-"Ash how long are you going to.....", you know where Shepard keeps telling her she doesn't have to pay for what happened with her grandfather.  My Shepard had her back and wanted her to be a real member of the team.  I chose her instead of Kaidan because of some of the stupid dialogue set up for Kaidan, but because my Shepard said to Ash she'd choose Kaidan if it was about using the brain, and choose her if it was about the heart.  It made me want to cry a bit.

I fully understood why she rejected Shepard in ME2-in fact, I see her as someone Shepard helped find redemption.  Ashley was hurt and confused by what Shepard had done.  In fact, her continued reference to how Shepard might have been changed was more because she cared and was afraid for Shepard as I see it, than anything else.

I just didn't like it that they tried to make her appear stupid in some scenes.  That opening part is funny if your character never romanced Ashley.  A friend of mine was over when I was creating a truly horrible looking female Shepard for my renegade.  I played the opening and Ashley looks like she loves Shepard, even my ugly disinterested female one.  It could be seen as hero worship, but the dialogue is also "off" when she says that, "sorry for keeping you out of the loop, ma'am."  To me, it just sounded funny.  But, the look she gives Shepard is kind of in context with her statement in ME2 about Shepard being a god-she just worries along the way that she's wrong about that.

I don't think they did her justice is all, but then that's true of a lot of the characters-in many places Liara looks scary and looks spacey and her dialogue doesn't match events in the game.  I've said this and I most often chose her for the LI.  There's the initial meeting for Liara and Shepard on Illium in Liara's office where I think they are supposed to be kissing or something and Liara is like rubbing her nose in the air.  It's weird.  Kaidan has similar moments of odd dialogue. 

And as far as trashy looks go-I will say they did this with all the females and then threw James in as some counter measure I guess.  I said as much in the other thread we participated in.  But to make it more equal they should have put James in a speedo with a codpiece.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 juin 2012 - 05:02 .

[DeamonSlaz]

Do not want to listen to that Pod Cast. The vocie actress of Diane just makes me think this is another sell out Bioware is banking on. I really do not think this will bring us back because in the pod cast they do not hit on the truth. They honestly sound deluded.

The real issue with the ending is that there was no awesome scene where all the group is together and facing off a big bad guy. Its still: Pick one of the three. Ending completed. Here''s your cookie now go play Multiplayer and then buy DLC when it comes out because it may expand more....

Sigh.

[Landon7001]

could a mod answer-what time tuesday will ec be released for 360? 12am? where do you go to get it?

[Omnifarious Nef]

Landon7001 wrote...

could a mod answer-what time tuesday will ec be released for 360? 12am? where do you go to get it?

It will be when ever Xbox updates their stores. for me, the last two updates showed up around 4-5am. Midwest USA.