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[Heiwa no Senso]

just listened to the interview.
"you cannot completely satisfy everyone..."
smart move.

[BearlyHere]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

What we need is a Star Trek 2 Genesis device that will remake the galaxy and a Kahn mad as a hatter nutjob to fire it. Either that or let Vega near the button. he'd press the big shiny red button just to see what it does.........

Much of the original ending cutscene's involving Earth get's razed reminded me of Earth's fate in Robotech when it got bombed from orbit.

I'm soooooo disapointed we didn't get a romance based on one upmanship with him. His sparring session near the beginning was a character development moment I'd like to have seen more of.

Hated Vega at first, but the sparring session changed me.  He called my Shepard Lola-what does he call the male Shepards?   That was really something that helped define Vega as you say.

I think Allers should be there ready to get an interview from Shepard and Shepard should instead tell her the star brat wants to chat-that kid will run so fast for the nearest exit....it'll blow his programming all to hell.

He calls the guy Sheps "Loco." Didn't care for Vega much at first either, but by the third playthrough he grew on me, especially with the paragon/renegade interrupts during the sparring match.  I liked that scene where he's with the Batarian tattoo artist getting his N7 tattoo. It was too bad Shep couldn't join him.

Allers, on the other hand...it's too bad none of my Sheps ever took the "get off my ship, Snookie" option, not even my pure renegade. To think of her repopulating the human race with Joker. I need a bottle of bleach to wash that image from my mind.

[Comguard2]

I was completely taken at surprise by this message. Tried to ignore the board till July or so, the Comic Con.

Now only one question remains:

Why do us Europeans have to wait for one extra week?

[3DandBeyond]

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Why did you ask for our feedback if you were going to completely ignore it? I really, really hate electronic arts for killing bioware.

I'm going to put this out there-not certain at all that that's the case.  One interview with a Bioware dev indicates otherwise.  It was stated that the only involvement EA has is impressing the need to make profitable things.  They may well have ideas as to how this is accomplished and may encourage things that lead to micro-transactions, but EA has some major franchises that have worked hard on exactly not pissing fans off.  Indications are they don't necessarily micro-manage things.  One Bioware marketing guy (the head I think of marketing) said some really outrageous things that showed a complete lack of understanding about fans.  For one, he didn't think people would remember things that happened in the earlier games.  With that kind of mentality I can't fully fault EA for anything.  Yes, they may have required things be done by certain dates and eyed profitability, but why did they acquire Bioware?  They wanted to have great RPG franchises.

Bioware could have said to EA that it was impossible to do the game justice in just one game and then played up the profitability of not just DLC, but of an ME3 part1 and part2 with extra DLC and collector's editions and pre-orders and so on.  Then, ME3 part 1 could have come in on budget and on time.

[dekkerd]

Comguard2 wrote...

I was completely taken at surprise by this message. Tried to ignore the board till July or so, the Comic Con.

Now only one question remains:

Why do us Europeans have to wait for one extra week?

Those of you on play station do. Ask Sony. 

Modifié par dekkerd, 24 juin 2012 - 11:30 .

[3DandBeyond]

BearlyHere wrote...

He calls the guy Sheps "Loco." Didn't care for Vega much at first either, but by the third playthrough he grew on me, especially with the paragon/renegade interrupts during the sparring match.  I liked that scene where he's with the Batarian tattoo artist getting his N7 tattoo. It was too bad Shep couldn't join him.

Allers, on the other hand...it's too bad none of my Sheps ever took the "get off my ship, Snookie" option, not even my pure renegade. To think of her repopulating the human race with Joker. I need a bottle of bleach to wash that image from my mind.

Honestly I just wish I could shove her out an airlock.  When she tries to get unprofessional, I'd like to ask what was so professional about her in the first place?

I almost always forget she's even on the ship and then mistakenly end up where she is and then go, "oh crap." 

Loved the tattoo scene as well.

[3DandBeyond]

dekkerd wrote...

Comguard2 wrote...

I was completely taken at surprise by this message. Tried to ignore the board till July or so, the Comic Con.

Now only one question remains:

Why do us Europeans have to wait for one extra week?

Those of your on play station do. Ask Sony. 

Maybe it's due to different laws and agreements between Sony and all the countries involved.  I know that some of my PSN friends in different countries aren't even able to get anything from the PS store.  It's not available to them.

[Archonsg]

3DandBeyond wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Why did you ask for our feedback if you were going to completely ignore it? I really, really hate electronic arts for killing bioware.

I'm going to put this out there-not certain at all that that's the case.  One interview with a Bioware dev indicates otherwise.  It was stated that the only involvement EA has is impressing the need to make profitable things.  They may well have ideas as to how this is accomplished and may encourage things that lead to micro-transactions, but EA has some major franchises that have worked hard on exactly not pissing fans off.  Indications are they don't necessarily micro-manage things.  One Bioware marketing guy (the head I think of marketing) said some really outrageous things that showed a complete lack of understanding about fans.  For one, he didn't think people would remember things that happened in the earlier games.  With that kind of mentality I can't fully fault EA for anything.  Yes, they may have required things be done by certain dates and eyed profitability, but why did they acquire Bioware?  They wanted to have great RPG franchises.

Bioware could have said to EA that it was impossible to do the game justice in just one game and then played up the profitability of not just DLC, but of an ME3 part1 and part2 with extra DLC and collector's editions and pre-orders and so on.  Then, ME3 part 1 could have come in on budget and on time.

You are referring to this article I believe http://m.computerand...t-selling-out/' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'> David Silverman Interview.

[Redbelle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

jkflipflopDAO wrote...

Why did you ask for our feedback if you were going to completely ignore it? I really, really hate electronic arts for killing bioware.

I'm going to put this out there-not certain at all that that's the case.  One interview with a Bioware dev indicates otherwise.  It was stated that the only involvement EA has is impressing the need to make profitable things.  They may well have ideas as to how this is accomplished and may encourage things that lead to micro-transactions, but EA has some major franchises that have worked hard on exactly not pissing fans off.  Indications are they don't necessarily micro-manage things.  One Bioware marketing guy (the head I think of marketing) said some really outrageous things that showed a complete lack of understanding about fans.  For one, he didn't think people would remember things that happened in the earlier games.  With that kind of mentality I can't fully fault EA for anything.  Yes, they may have required things be done by certain dates and eyed profitability, but why did they acquire Bioware?  They wanted to have great RPG franchises.

Bioware could have said to EA that it was impossible to do the game justice in just one game and then played up the profitability of not just DLC, but of an ME3 part1 and part2 with extra DLC and collector's editions and pre-orders and so on.  Then, ME3 part 1 could have come in on budget and on time.

I absolutely, positively, hate it when people who can make good entertainment media start to assume fans have the memory of a goldfish!

Naruto is a case in point. Shippuden should be rebranded as Infinite Filler, which is a shame as when it first came out and they had no filler to use the stories had a better pacing to them. In the end the padding turned me off as I would rather watch new narrative than be repeatedly reminded of old narrative that I already know about.

BW's marketing guy needs to express more confidence in us fans as sittiing down to a ME game tends to leave an impression. O,k I may not remember the tiny details but I know the details are there and a quick replay will refresh them in memory.

Modifié par Redbelle, 24 juin 2012 - 11:01 .

[3DandBeyond]

Redbelle wrote...

I absolutely, positively, hate it when people who can make good entertainment media start to assume fans have the memory of a goldfish!

Naruto is a case in point. Shippuden should be rebranded as Infinite Filler, which is a shame as when it first came out and they had no filler to use the stories had a better pacing to them. In the end the padding turned me off as I would rather watch new narrative than be repeatedly reminded of old narrative that I already know about.

BW's marketing guy needs to express more confidence in us fans as sittiing down to a ME game tends to leave an impression. O,k I may not remember the tiny details but I know the details are there and a quick replay will refresh them in memory.

That was it.  In one statement he was saying the people couldn't remember stuff that happened before and so he just totally misunderstood fans.  They are fanatics for a reason.  And consider also the way people prepared for ME3-they are doing the same thing in preparation for the EC.  People played marathon sessions of ME1 and 2, read the books, graphic novels, got their t shirts on and their figurines in action mode. 

As you point out, we may not know exactly what something says, but quite often we know that something exists.  I read every codex, every planet description, all the journal entries and the dossiers.  Looked at every LotSB video, repeated many questions to people (in honor of Conrad) and so on.  There is also something called the internet and youtube.  I played ME2 and 3 on the PS3 first.  Got angry, came here, watched youtube.  Played ME1 on my PC.  Then, got the xbox, was given the 3 games for it, and played them to see the difference (and there is a real difference).  Some people have played them repeatedly.  That's what fans do.  And fans buy everything.

Archonsg wrote...


You are referring to this article I believe David Silverman Interview.

Yes this exactly.  David Silverman, Marketing Boss. He thinks ME came out 8 years ago in 2007 and says people won't remember all the details from it.  And he says there's no difference between the PS3 and xbox versions.  I can say it, yes there are.  One example:  Conrad Verner.  He does not exist in the PS3 version.  Helena does not exist nor does Gianna.  Much of the dialog about some things is different and so on.

And personally as someone with a family member with autism, I find his comment about Rain Man offensive.  If this is the kind of people they employ, no wonder at all.  Marketing and 2007 was 8 years ago.  They need help.

He also didn't believe people would care about their love interests and felt ME3 was self-contained and a great entry game.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 24 juin 2012 - 11:28 .

[TemplePhoenix]

3DandBeyond wrote...

And he says there's no difference between the PS3 and xbox versions.  I can say it, yes there are.  One example:  Conrad Verner.  He does not exist in the PS3 version.  Helena does not exist nor does Gianna.  Much of the dialog about some things is different and so on.

Poor, POOR PS3 owners... never to facepalm at Conrad... never to annoy/kiss/kill Gianna...

As someone who's only played the XBox versions, I can only sympathise. (Oh, and uh, sorry for our disc sizes and download limits making everything shorter than it could have been. *shamefaced*)

[Dessalines]

Did Jeniffer Hale do voice over work for the new ending?

[3DandBeyond]

TemplePhoenix wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

And he says there's no difference between the PS3 and xbox versions.  I can say it, yes there are.  One example:  Conrad Verner.  He does not exist in the PS3 version.  Helena does not exist nor does Gianna.  Much of the dialog about some things is different and so on.

Poor, POOR PS3 owners... never to facepalm at Conrad... never to annoy/kiss/kill Gianna...

As someone who's only played the XBox versions, I can only sympathise. (Oh, and uh, sorry for our disc sizes and download limits making everything shorter than it could have been. *shamefaced*)

Ha ha!  Yeah I had to really get used to the disc swaps-PS3 versions are on one disc.  Graphics are somewhat different as well for me, but don't want this to be a console war thing.  I like both for what both do. 

[3DandBeyond]

Dessalines wrote...

Did Jeniffer Hale do voice over work for the new ending?

Someone said Mark Meers had.  Hale had stated a long time (well in this debacle) ago, she had not been called back.  But, we don't know.

[Landon7001]

Heiwa no Senso wrote...

just listened to the interview.
"you cannot completely satisfy everyone..."
smart move.

what they CAN do is give the OPTION in ONE  of the endings  for an li reunion for the many,many ppl who want one, as well as making the end make sense

[MzAdventure]

TJWWE2007 wrote...

Although I am very thankful for free dlc and all the time that was out into a (potentialy pointless) attempt to make us happy, I feel like we are just going to end up back here on Tuesday, sad, frustrated, and defeated because the real problems with the ending weren't addressed in the dlc.

This

[TemplePhoenix]

Landon7001 wrote...

what they CAN do is give the OPTION in ONE  of the endings  for an li reunion for the many,many ppl who want one, as well as making the end make sense

Yuss, plug the plotholes, have an epilogue that shows, or at least heavily implies, what happens to everybody afterwards, and have that epilogue have variations based on what you did during the games.

Will this please the people who think the Catalyst being in it at all is an abomination? No. Will it please the people who want a full confirmation of IT theory? No.

But it WILL make the ending better/more bearable for a whooole lot of us.

[BlueStorm83]

I'm gonna input my refutations in Bold Italics.

Ieldra2 wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

*snipped*

As for "space magic", call it "sufficiently advanced technology" and be done with it. We have the relays, conventional FTL, Biotics, inter-species romance, Javik's psychometry etc.. etc... which everyone should be more concerned about because the Crucible *is* a unique piece of super-advanced technology. so advanced that the people who built it didn't even know what it could do.

Besides, it would've been unrealistic to expect a completely replaced ending.

The crucible is so advanced that the people who built it didn't even know what it could do?  That, my good friend, is utter gibberish. You can't build something technological without knowing what it can do.

That, my good friend, is nonsense. Example: It's perfectly possible to build a nuclear bomb from a found blueprint while having absolutely no idea that and why this thing will explode. What you can't do is *develop* such a thing, but that's where the "found" comes in.

Actually, no.  The Blueprints would show exactly how and why a nuclear reaction happens.  You can see refined Uranium 238 in the center of the device, you would see the detonation mechanisms, you would see how fission is achieved.  There would be diagrams and explanations.  That is what Blueprints ARE.  The design of a blueprint is to make something understandable by people other than the one who designed it, so they can build it.  Hackett tells us in the game that "The thing has massive energy, but we don't know how it will be used."  At that point, the Crucible is nothing but a BATTERY.  Apparently, the entirety of the Crucible's function is derived from its melding with the Catalyst.  All the previous cycles wisdom about the Catalyst led them to believe it was the Citadel.  Then we learn that the thing that controls the reapers is the REAL Catalyst.  So the only one who understand how the Crucible Works is the guy who controls the reapers.  Therefore, it is a very small step to believe that he is behind its design.

Reapers are bad.  This guy controls Reapers.  Therefore This Guy Causes BADNESS.

Such a simplistic world view. "Badness" is a matter of perspective, as the Catalyst clearly shows.

Badness is a matter of perspective.  True.  Know whose perspective I am judging from?  MINE.  And turning people into 1) corpses or 2) SLUDGE is a BAD THING.  Is that Simplistic?  Maybe.  I once say a man on the subway having a loud, angry conversation with Jesus.  From my perspective, Jesus wasn't there, and this guy was nuts.  I however only have my own perspective to act on.  So I say again.  TURNING PEOPLE INTO CORPSES AND SLUDGE IS BAD.  If my perspective is that it's okay to kick you in the groin and take your wallet, would we debate the merits of my perspective, or would you try to stop me?

---  Also, we shouldn't be more concerned about the Relays, Biotics, Javik's whole weird 6th sense.  Why not?  Because they're all EXPLAINED. 

A Mass Relay!?  How does THAT wor- oh, a corridor of near zero mass created through space instantaneously by one relay, transmitting an object through it at nigh-incomprehensible speeds, as facilitated by an electrical current running through a large mass of element zero.  That makes sense in the game world.

Does it? For anyone with a basic education in physics, the concept of a "mass-free corridor" is so obviously nonsensical that few self-respecting SF writers would ever such use a thing in their stories. Pure space magic.

I quote myself.  "That makes sense in the game world."  The GAME'S explained laws explains it.  I never claimed it would make sense in REALITY.

And Javik's psychometry? Explained? Pfft. Telling someone's personality from a room in which he had been living is NOT magic exactly how? 

See my comment for the above statement.  Does this make sense in reality?  No.  But the game took the time to explain it.  That causes what we call "suspension of disbelief."

"Unexplained" doesn't mean "magic". "Unexplained" simply means "unexplained". Surely there's nothing wrong with the existence of technology not understood by people within the fictional universe? The *results* of the Crucible's actions should be explained, because we need to understand them in order to make a choice. But how the Crucible works doesn't need an explanation.

If I'm Commander Shepard, and a ghost boy says to me, "I control the Reapers.  This machine will do 3 things that don't make sense given any information that you have.  Also, it will kill you.  Now do one of the 3 things that I ask you to do, then **** YES, THAT NEEDS AN EXPLANATION.  "Fiction" does not mean "Make up any crazy **** as you go."  Fiction sets its own rules, but it only succeeds if it follows the rules it sets.  At no point does Jason Bourne shoot lasers out of his ****.  Optimus Prime can not use The Force.  James Bond can't slip on a Green Lantern's ring and save the day.  None of those things are real, all of those things follow the rules set in their own particular fiction.  Whenever any of them go beyond the scope of their fiction, AND THEY OCCASIONALLY DO, fans call them out on it.  That is what is happening here.

---  You don't have to RABIDLY defend every thing that happens in a game you like.  If you love a restaurant, you don't have to eat everything on the menu, and you CERTAINLY don't have to eat whatever's left in the toilets in the restroom.  The Crucible/Catalyst, in its present story-breaking state, is a fresh turd left on my plate, and no matter how many problems you have with my OWN PERSONAL VIEWS that it's just that, I do not have to eat it.

Modifié par BlueStorm83, 25 juin 2012 - 12:22 .

[BlueStorm83]

ioannisdenton wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Months of tantrums and conspiracies are all you write.....I am still waiting for proof that the good reviews ME got was because they were
paid for like you accuse.

You can stop the personal attacks any time-they show you for what you are.  I never stated any conspiracy.  I never stated that the good reviews ME3 got was because of pay.  I stated my opinion and the statements made by others to assert that some reviewers are prone to look more kindly on game companies that pay their salaries through the ads and through corporate relationships that I showed do exist.

I already answered your question decently and without insulting you.  You repeatedly insult me and anyone with an opinion like mine.  I have not thrown one tantrum, have not yelled and screamed.  I have instead written reasoned opinion and stated things clearly and at some length.  You on the other hand, have continually used one liners and called me immature, implied I am stupid, claimed I am lying about things, and the list goes on and on.  You have not once apologized for your behavior nor admitted when things have been proven to you that you are ever wrong.  Instead you took opportunities to again imply others are stupid and that their schooling was lacking.

However, as the mods keep reminding us this is about the EC and not about you and me and your personal opinions of me and your dislike of me.  I find you funny and I know you don't mean to be. 

LOL Pwned

stay civil please. Pawned and other phrases do not belong here

---  That's right folks.  Phrases don't belong here.  Please only use sentence fragments and colloquialisms.

[Landon7001]

if you listen to the podcast they say they didnt make the ec to try to make everyone happy....they made it b/c they saw an opportunity to make what was there shine more and show how they imagined the universe ending up in their heads b/c the original ending didnt go into much detail................................sooooooooooo they asked for our feedback because why??? they clearly have ignored it as evidenced by what they say and the incessant repetiton of the phrases "closure" and "some ppl couldnt let go" .......sooooooooooo also they dont apparently care about the future of their company and making money.....

[sparkyo42]

Landon7001 wrote...

if you listen to the podcast they say they didnt make the ec to try to make everyone happy....they made it b/c they saw an opportunity to make what was there shine more and show how they imagined the universe ending up in their heads b/c the original ending didnt go into much detail................................sooooooooooo they asked for our feedback because why??? they clearly have ignored it as evidenced by what they say and the incessant repetiton of the phrases "closure" and "some ppl couldnt let go" .......sooooooooooo also they dont apparently care about the future of their company and making money.....

A PR Stunt is the simple answer, they get to win some back by simply showing the LI, others by their vision of the end and get to announce to the media they've bought off that are looking at this objectively that they've done a good thing.

The only thing this was meant to do was increase the chances of SP DLC sales, that's it. It was never about anything that the fans had raised.

[Landon7001]

i agree but the thing is they have to know if they fail w/ ec nobodys going to give a **** about buying any more dlc.....thus it would be prudent for them to make sure fans are happy even if they hate us at this point, so....

[PsyrenY]

Landon7001 wrote...

if you listen to the podcast they say they didnt make the ec to try to make everyone happy....they made it b/c they saw an opportunity to make what was there shine more and show how they imagined the universe ending up in their heads b/c the original ending didnt go into much detail................................sooooooooooo they asked for our feedback because why??? they clearly have ignored it as evidenced by what they say and the incessant repetiton of the phrases "closure" and "some ppl couldnt let go" .......sooooooooooo also they dont apparently care about the future of their company and making money.....

Correction - they didn't listen to YOU. Plenty of folks do just want "more shine on what is already there."

[sparkyo42]

Landon7001 wrote...

i agree but the thing is they have to know if they fail w/ ec nobodys going to give a **** about buying any more dlc.....thus it would be prudent for them to make sure fans are happy even if they hate us at this point, so....

Think of it as an war asset, they already know through Origin and the other systems the percentage breakdown Jessica admitted they have internal numbers of this. The EC is to try and add the easy percentage that can be won back as quickly and cheapily as possible, how many have said give me a reunion with LI and I'll forget all the other problems.

The rest are in their view not worth the effort and will either take what they're given and shut up or else leave, and they've decided that their willing to jettison some of the base over this if it comes to that.

The EC was never a give back to the fans like the Witcher 2 content, it was purely a PR exercise for them.

Modifié par sparkyo42, 25 juin 2012 - 12:35 .

[Landon7001]

considering the memorial wall screenshot they showed, I dont know how likely a li reunion is........