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[Alexarrolt]

Really cant wait for Tuesday

[Inxentas]

Exiting. I guess this is it huh? Can't wait... I'm in the camp that thought the ending was impossible to salvage, so I'm curious as to how things play out. PLEASE let this revive my interest in BW WRPG's!

[Chief Commander]

Can we get a time frame for the release?

[WolfyZA]

Xa1u5 wrote...

WolfyZA wrote...

1,9GB is quite a nice meaty piece of DLC... But why force the player to do the CHQ again, I seriously don't want to kill the cyborg ninja again...

I actually quite liked the fact that they started their overhaul a little bit farther back. I think I will just set the difficulty to Casual and play it as an interactive novel.

Good suggestion! I think I'll just do the same, who knows maybe more things were added as well before taking back Earth?

[Redbelle]

SInce I can only imagine what the clarification of the ending will be I thought I'd share.

Shepard wakes up in the med bay surrounded by his crew.

"I had the strangest of dreams....... and you were there and you were there. Why am I wearing ruby pumps? And who the Bosh'tet are you?"

"Zaeed yah plonk."

"I've never seen you before in my life!"

"Well yah still dreaming........ No, I can't lie, yah dead and this is yah last mental spasm before yah go all crispy on us".

"Oh Edi! I think I'll miss you most of........"

[Skaan]

crossing my fingers
and I will also set the difficulty to Casual. If it does a real explanation of the ending o close plot hole may be i replay at hard

[Kanon777]

at what time will the EC be avaliable for download?

[ChrisRudson]

I'm from Philippines and it will be Tuesday tomorrow, and I would really like to have an ETA as on what time it will be released. You don't know how excited I am right now.
To tell you the truth, I have little hate on the endings. The only thing I really need is closure. I can't really blame you guys for making the endings like that, but, that is your masterpiece, it's entirely your choice on how you end your series. The only thing I hope for the Extended Cut, is that everything that I was hoping for will be there. 1.9 GB must be big enough to fill those gaps. I hope.

[3DandBeyond]

WolfyZA wrote...

1,9GB is quite a nice meaty piece of DLC... But why force the player to do the CHQ again, I seriously don't want to kill the cyborg ninja again...

It's ten minutes per "type" of playthrough.  I don't know how many varieties of playthrough but basically you will see ten minutes more of material.  No idea if you will play any part of that new material.

[shepdog77]

Kanon777 wrote...

at what time will the EC be avaliable for download?

depends on you're system
i have 360 so i think it's:  2 A.M. - 7 A.M.  EST 

[PoorBleedingMe]

3DandBeyond wrote...

If they still make me kill EDI and the geth to reunite Shepard with LI, then they can kiss me where the sun don't shine.  EDI in London told my Shepard that Joker unshackled her but Shepard gave her life.  Thanks Bioware for making me kill her.  How cold can you be to think that makes sense?  Seriously.  And Legion gave his life, proved the value of his soul was worth more than many others who cowered behind Shepard or called Shepard crazy and couldn't be bothered to risk a finger to save their own lives.  Legion's life was ultimately disposable as are all the geth in order for Shepard to "live".  What kind of freaking emotional mind trip were they on here?

Well, that's exactly what BW wanted from you - emotions. Doesn't matter, whether they're positive or negative, as logn as they're strong. Just think for a moment. How would you react if everything would end like a fairytale? Would't you rant that BW doesn't treat ppl seriously? That they turned an epic saga into a story for children, where the good knight kills the bad dragons and all his princesses are there in the end to hug him?

Life = tough choices!

I don't understand ppl who state that BW suck, because Shepard died at the end and they could not reunite with their Love Interests. How sad. During ME3 you are constantly hearing about the pointlessness of the whole mission, how people lose faith in getting out alive of this **** and when Shepard makes the ultimate sacrifice, so those guys can carry on, you wanna kill BW guys, cause you won't be able to see the reunion with your beloved one. How naive is this?! Unless the ending is not literal, as shown in the game, the most stupid thing would occur, if Shepard survived a crash of an orbital space station squashing against Earth's surface...

[Broham]

I can say, since I heard about the DLC release date and since the release is tomorrow; I'm finding myself surprisingly optimistic. I wasn't expecting to feel that way about ME3 again but there it is. Still have love and hope for the franchise.

I even found myself brainstorming another Shepard in my head yesterday. One I could play beginning in ME1 through to the end of ME3; uninterrupted by release dates (Shep1 born: 2008; Shep2 born:2009; Shep3 & 4 born: 2011).

Regardless of the ending, I'm hopeful the EC will at least add enough variance across different playthroughs to restore the series' reply factor. If the EC shows us how our choices and our Shepard (paragon, renegade, spacer, earthborn, ruthless, colonist, warhero, sole survivor, Anderson supporter, Udina's bro, Council saver, racist human, etc.) play out in the end... well, here's hoping.

[3DandBeyond]

Hmmm, I hope they change or explain all the choices (the 3). An interesting thought from another thread...if Shepard chooses Synthesis then that's doing exactly what Sovereign wanted in the first place. How many lives could have been saved had Shepard just agreed to this in the first place? I don't agree with any of the choices, but choosing Synthesis renders ME2 and 3 completely meaningless.

[PoorBleedingMe]

3DandBeyond wrote...
 I don't agree with any of the choices, but choosing Synthesis renders ME2 and 3 completely meaningless.

Wrong. Had Shepard and the human race not gained the attention of the Reapers (which Harbinger mentions), he would not stand before those final choices. The way I see it - the Reapers seeked for a perfect organism, that could serve as a 'template' for the synthesis. Only Shepard proved to be worthy (was strong enough to effectively fight the Reapers, was able to unite most of the Galaxy's inhabitants, resisted indoctrination [symbolized as the final 'fight' where the Illusive Man was killed]).

If Shepard did not stop Sovereign, the events of ME3 would never occur. Again, if Shepard did not stop the Collectors, he would not gain enough attention from the Reapers (as, perhaps, the perfect candidate for the Synthesis).

[Wuartz]

I chose Destroy my first playthrough, but I think I'll take Control this time. Sure, Shepard dies, but EDI and the geth lives. My paragon Shepard would never kill the geth.

But I think Bioware explained Control very badly. Because it was Illusive Man using blue, I saw Control as something negative. I hope they fix this.

[PoorBleedingMe]

Wuartz wrote...

I chose Destroy my first playthrough, but I think I'll take Control this time. Sure, Shepard dies, but EDI and the geth lives. My paragon Shepard would never kill the geth.

But I think Bioware explained Control very badly. Because it was Illusive Man using blue, I saw Control as something negative. I hope they fix this.

Why the need for fixing? Remember that the Reapers would do anything to avoid their annihilation. I played the Paragon path from the very beginnign of the series and the only just solution to the Reaper problem was their annihilation from the very beginning. Don't you have this feeling that the bad Reapers want to make the Paragon Shepard believe, the Destroy option is EVIL, whereas it's the only option that ensures the Reapers won't pose a threat to the Galaxy again?

Remember, the Illusive Man wanted to control the Reapers. He wasn't the good guy, right?

[3DandBeyond]

PoorBleedingMe wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

If they still make me kill EDI and the geth to reunite Shepard with LI, then they can kiss me where the sun don't shine.  EDI in London told my Shepard that Joker unshackled her but Shepard gave her life.  Thanks Bioware for making me kill her.  How cold can you be to think that makes sense?  Seriously.  And Legion gave his life, proved the value of his soul was worth more than many others who cowered behind Shepard or called Shepard crazy and couldn't be bothered to risk a finger to save their own lives.  Legion's life was ultimately disposable as are all the geth in order for Shepard to "live".  What kind of freaking emotional mind trip were they on here?

Well, that's exactly what BW wanted from you - emotions. Doesn't matter, whether they're positive or negative, as logn as they're strong. Just think for a moment. How would you react if everything would end like a fairytale? Would't you rant that BW doesn't treat ppl seriously? That they turned an epic saga into a story for children, where the good knight kills the bad dragons and all his princesses are there in the end to hug him?

Life = tough choices!

I don't understand ppl who state that BW suck, because Shepard died at the end and they could not reunite with their Love Interests. How sad. During ME3 you are constantly hearing about the pointlessness of the whole mission, how people lose faith in getting out alive of this **** and when Shepard makes the ultimate sacrifice, so those guys can carry on, you wanna kill BW guys, cause you won't be able to see the reunion with your beloved one. How naive is this?! Unless the ending is not literal, as shown in the game, the most stupid thing would occur, if Shepard survived a crash of an orbital space station squashing against Earth's surface...

If one possible ending had been an amazing victory I don't consider that a fairy tale.  You are minimizing what people have said and not accurately portraying what I said.  I'd never "rant" about an ending that followed through on the theme and tenor of the games that came before.  And, I'm sorry but in a game yes it does matter whether your feelings are negative or positive at the end.  They need to be for a reason.  This ending created a feeling of hopelessness and futility.  Sad would be a step up from that.

You are indicating that a happy ending is just childish, but that attitude is.  ME2's ending is anything but childish.  Many truly great movies have ended on happy notes.  But in the ME world even a victory is not going to be overwhelmingly happy.  Billions have died.  Planets are a mess.  Relays destroyed.  WWII was a victory, depending upon where you lived maybe, but the aftermath was anything but a fairy tale.

I and many others have always said that a victorious Shepard really lives ending should be a possibility as should other permutations where Shepard dies, but for a real reason.  I do take offense at a game that within a few short minutes features one of my friends telling the hero just how s/he helped her become a real person and then offers me the "choice" of murdering her.  Or, one of the other equally stupid choices.  Synthesis is what the reapers always wanted, why not then agree to it in ME1-why waste 2 games and years of a story if you are only going to do what they wanted in the end.  Control-Shepard dies but controls the reapers.  Anyone who was told they could control them has been indoctrinated.  Control is godhood.

The ME3 choices are like Sophie's Choice-great movie, sad movie, but it wouldn't make a great videogame.  There's a reason why blockbuster movies feature heroes that pull themselves out of a now win certain death at the end-it's popular, it sells, and when it's well done, the audience cheers.  Not much of that for heroes that commit suicide for ridiculous reasons.

How about if in one playthrough you get the choice of murdering synthetic life and in the next you can murder organic life? 

And your last point, "the most stupid thing would occur, if Shepard survived a crash of an orbital space station squashing against Earth's surface...", have you gotten the "best" Destroy ending?  You do realize that this is exactly what happens-if the player plays Multi-player and gets a high enough EMS, the explosion from shooting that tube is not as powerful and Shepard floats down to Earth and ends up as a burnt torso in a pile of rubble and takes a gasp.  That is preposterous.

What many people are saying is that the podcast about the EC indicates that none of what they found ridiculous about the ending has been really changed in any way and that Bioware truly didn't understand the complaints.  Now the only "hope" they have left is that at least there's the possibility in one ending of Shepard living and being with their LI.  That's not childish-I sincerely doubt in real life you wish that you could die horribly for no good reason and that you have no chance to live happy ever.  Shepard has had a pretty sucky life, constantly sacrificed everything to save people that were not even interested in seeing a threat or saving themselves.  It's not too much to ask for a chance at happiness.  Otherwise, the whole ME series has been pointless and has no replay value.  And DLC that comes later on is meaningless if every ending is just Shepard dies.  But that stupid gasp scene is not a happy ending.

[Ieldra]

PoorBleedingMe wrote...

Wuartz wrote...

I chose Destroy my first playthrough, but I think I'll take Control this time. Sure, Shepard dies, but EDI and the geth lives. My paragon Shepard would never kill the geth.

But I think Bioware explained Control very badly. Because it was Illusive Man using blue, I saw Control as something negative. I hope they fix this.

Why the need for fixing? Remember that the Reapers would do anything to avoid their annihilation. I played the Paragon path from the very beginnign of the series and the only just solution to the Reaper problem was their annihilation from the very beginning. Don't you have this feeling that the bad Reapers want to make the Paragon Shepard believe, the Destroy option is EVIL, whereas it's the only option that ensures the Reapers won't pose a threat to the Galaxy again?

Remember, the Illusive Man wanted to control the Reapers. He wasn't the good guy, right?

Your morality is not defined by the power you seek, but by the methods you use in its pursuit and by the use you make of it once you have it. I wouldn't want to live in a galaxy where TIM controlled the Reapers. A galaxy where Shepard controlled them is quite a different story.

I think we are supposed to overcome these association fallacies like "X was bad, so everything X wanted is bad" and see through to the real consequences. Whatever choice you make, association fallacies like these are invalid reasons to make it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 25 juin 2012 - 01:01 .

[Wuartz]

PoorBleedingMe wrote...

Wuartz wrote...

I chose Destroy my first playthrough, but I think I'll take Control this time. Sure, Shepard dies, but EDI and the geth lives. My paragon Shepard would never kill the geth.

But I think Bioware explained Control very badly. Because it was Illusive Man using blue, I saw Control as something negative. I hope they fix this.

Why the need for fixing? Remember that the Reapers would do anything to avoid their annihilation. I played the Paragon path from the very beginnign of the series and the only just solution to the Reaper problem was their annihilation from the very beginning. Don't you have this feeling that the bad Reapers want to make the Paragon Shepard believe, the Destroy option is EVIL, whereas it's the only option that ensures the Reapers won't pose a threat to the Galaxy again?

Remember, the Illusive Man wanted to control the Reapers. He wasn't the good guy, right?

After watching the Control ending on Youtube, it seemed like Shepard managed to become the Reapers, and therefore made a big sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. No one more dies, and Shepard lives on in the form of Reapers. It's actually a pretty okay ending.

But the problem is, we never understood that this ending could be good. Illusive Man was the bad guy, and he wanted to control the Reapers. Anderson, our father figure, chose Destroy. I followed Anderson. But by doing so, I destroyed all tech in the galaxy.

[3DandBeyond]

PoorBleedingMe wrote...

Wuartz wrote...

I chose Destroy my first playthrough, but I think I'll take Control this time. Sure, Shepard dies, but EDI and the geth lives. My paragon Shepard would never kill the geth.

But I think Bioware explained Control very badly. Because it was Illusive Man using blue, I saw Control as something negative. I hope they fix this.

Why the need for fixing? Remember that the Reapers would do anything to avoid their annihilation. I played the Paragon path from the very beginnign of the series and the only just solution to the Reaper problem was their annihilation from the very beginning. Don't you have this feeling that the bad Reapers want to make the Paragon Shepard believe, the Destroy option is EVIL, whereas it's the only option that ensures the Reapers won't pose a threat to the Galaxy again?

Remember, the Illusive Man wanted to control the Reapers. He wasn't the good guy, right?

No Paragon Shepard would think it's ok to kill EDI and the geth.  Yes, the goal is the destruction of the reapers, but a Paragon Shepard consistently said throughout 3 games, you don't sacrifice someone here to save someone else over there.  Did Legion's sacrifice mean nothing, prove nothing?  Did you have any conversations with EDI?  Killing them is like killing your child.  You went through all that stuff with Legion and with EDI for what?  Might as well be a renegade and encourage the Quarians to totally violate the Geth and tell EDI to go soak her head and leave Joker alone.  That is not Paragon, but would be the only way I could comprehend at all choosing to kill them.  A Paragon Shepard cared about them and helped them achieve life-that's being a parent.

But the idea of such choices to begin with is moronic.  The things the star kid says are moronic.  The insertion of the star kid as a replacement antagonist is moronic.  The ending needed a drastic change and that was never going to happen.  And the ending is a compilation of content from other games and stories.  It's not original and none of it fits the ME story, because it was all made for other stories.  The 3 choices are from Deus ex.  Chaos and order conflict is from Babylon 5 and certain elements of the star kid and the way it's presented are from Babylon 5.  The stargazer scene-telling a bedtime story is from other things like the Princess Bride.  It's like making an ending to Harry Potter and having Superman fly in to save the day.  Superman doesn't fit the story and wasn't ever said to exist in Harry's world and he's from a different story.

[Ieldra]

3DandBeyond wrote...
What many people are saying is that the podcast about the EC indicates that none of what they found ridiculous about the ending has been really changed in any way and that Bioware truly didn't understand the complaints.

You don't know that. There's a lot they can do without changing the substance of the endings.
*it could've been clarified that the breath scene is on one of the broken-off ward arms of the CItadel.
*The Catalyst's exposition could've been rewritten to make more sense.
*The description of Synthesis could've been rewritten to make sense.
*The description of Control could've been rewritten to be not contradict itself.
*It could be clarified that the planet the Normandy crashed on has a technological infrastructure.
*It could've been be clarified that the relays aren't destroyed in Control.
And quite a few more things. Basically, everyone who sees at least a little merit in the options for the final choice could theoretically end up satisfied.

Will they do that? No idea. We'll know in 24 hours.

[Morty Smith]

Asking the creators why there was so much debate about their ending. Like Asking EA why people hate EA. Genius.

[Mordanticus]

I have been quietly lurking around the forums for months now waiting on such information.. I am cautiously optimistic at the moment.. Its been a long strange road, Bioware.. Don't fail me now..

[3DandBeyond]

Wuartz wrote...


After watching the Control ending on Youtube, it seemed like Shepard managed to become the Reapers, and therefore made a big sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. No one more dies, and Shepard lives on in the form of Reapers. It's actually a pretty okay ending.

But the problem is, we never understood that this ending could be good. Illusive Man was the bad guy, and he wanted to control the Reapers. Anderson, our father figure, chose Destroy. I followed Anderson. But by doing so, I destroyed all tech in the galaxy.

The problem is there is something fundamentally wrong with each choice.  Control isn't something Shepard ever wanted to do with anything.  Shepard morally was about consensus among other things or the right of others to determine their fate.  It's impossible to believe that control could take place as it's presented.  Shepard dies but controls the reapers-ok, maybe (and this may have been the initial intent) Shepard becomes the new Catalyst.  Who in their right mind would want that fate for Shepard?  That means Shepard becomes the star kid, er star banana or whatever he is.  And it's unknown what that really would mean for Shepard.  Imagine time without end being forced to tell the reapers what to do.  And then consider that no one else would be happy with the fact the reapers still existed.  Would anyone on Earth be glad they had not been destroyed?  On Thessia?  And power corrupts. 

Perhaps the star kid did originally have a good idea and was trying to save people from well, the reapers and he somehow took control of them.  Maybe that's the meaning of the codex on the beings of light that protect people from machine devils.  But maybe the star kid became corrupted in controlling them and his ideas got warped and in trying to save people, he started sending reapers to ascend them as he calls it.

The goal was never to control them, it was always to destroy them.  Shepard saw that TIM wanted to assert control and rejected that as an idea.  But, neither of the other 2 choices are any better.  Destroy sucks, Synthesis sucks.  Shooting the kid in the head-well that would work if it were possible.

[PoorBleedingMe]

Wuartz wrote...

After watching the Control ending on Youtube, it seemed like Shepard managed to become the Reapers, and therefore made a big sacrifice for the good of the galaxy. No one more dies, and Shepard lives on in the form of Reapers. It's actually a pretty okay ending.

But the problem is, we never understood that this ending could be good. Illusive Man was the bad guy, and he wanted to control the Reapers. Anderson, our father figure, chose Destroy. I followed Anderson. But by doing so, I destroyed all tech in the galaxy.

There's one more question. How can we be sure, that Shepard, after choosing to control the Reapers won't feel lust for more power and would return in 50.000 years time to clear the Galaxy of organic life? We are able to see only what happens to the Reapers directly after the choice is made, but we know nothing about the future of the Reapers, as they are still 'there', somewhere. The only way to make sure they're gone is by destroing them once and for all. That seems like a Paragon choice to me (especially when it includes sacrificing some of your friends and allies for the sake of billions of lives - doign otherwise would be selfish).