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#1876
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I'm still very happy. They made it. Hurray.

Control Ending= Shepard is alive but.... a higher being, Relays Fixed, Galaxy Saved

Synthesis Ending= Everyone is happy, Relays Fixed, Galaxy Saved, Shepard Dead :-(

Destroy Ending= Everyone Living Thing is Happy, Shepard Alive (with high EMS), Relays being Fixed slowly, But Scarifice AI constructs. 

I can't pick the Destroy Option, because my Shepards life is not worth that of the entire Geth or EDI, Scarifice of yourself is better then Scarificing others for survival. I think I'll use the Control Ending as -my- Canon Ending. Possible Tali+God Shepard Hook Up? :wub:

Modifié par Moshaaver, 26 juin 2012 - 06:25 .


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When do you start seeing differences in the ending?

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ending is now acceptable but still needs a shepard and normandy reunion scene, i know that the cutscenes show that it is possible (choosing destroy) but would be better to actually see it.

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For some reason I can't download it. Norwegian resident, PC version, N7 edition.

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Krogan Warlord

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I still don't understand the ending...

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It doesn't make any sense, they could've used indoctrination theory, they wouldn't need to change single letter on the current ending, and they would be kings of storytelling.

Instead they chose to tell us: ,,Oh, sorry, we wrote it so terribly that we must rewrite all the scenes in last 15 minutes, we are so stupid".

That is what they did...why??

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Im PS3 owner and i couldnt wait to play the endings so I watched them in the tube.

Well, they improve the original endings in that they solve major plotholes (Normandy flying away, fleets stranded on earth or other planets, crew on Normandy etc). They also bring some closure and importance to crew members and such. At the same time, they make useless the Normandy crash: it now makes no sense at all.

But i also think that these endings are just ok. Nothing special to remember (even though they dont suck as much as the original ones). I think the indoctrination theory had much more potential and that Bioware missed a great opportunity to make a much better, epic, ending without losing "artistic integrity". Too bad for them. This game is a great trip towards a mediocre, just ok, destination.

By the way, I don't agree with those who say that the new endings dont kill the ME franchise:
-Synthesis: species reach their peak and evolution stops. IThey obtain incredible amount of power, wisdom and technology. Can't think of any future plot lines that involve races with such amount of power. I think the game is at dead end here.
-Control: with an immortal entity helping and protecting sentient races with such a powerful tool as reapers are, i can't think of future sequels. Any threat could be easily faced by reapers. Game is at dead end here too.
-Destroy: I think the game under this scenario may continue. And since Stargazer talks about "more stories of Shepard", and taking into account that last-minute breath from an N7 chestplate, i think this one would be the "canon" ending. Avoiding future threats from synthetic lifeforms would be a priority here.
-Refusal: completely new playground with new races playing the key roles.

So in my opinion, only 2 endings allow for a credible continuation of the series.

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I chose the destroy on the EC ending but for some reason I could not shoot.....i kept pressing the trigger button but nothing....any one else getting this?

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Vasparian wrote...

Wow.. This "NEW ENDING" DLC... Bioware you crack me up. This is what you have been working on? Funny guys.


I wish there were hand puppets to go with the slideshow.

And reject what a wonderful new non-option.  Yeah, I could freaking care what happens some time in the future.  Bioware, what about "we care about these characters" didn't you understand?

I still cannot get over tweeting that a reunion is possible-I want that elaborated on, please. 

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I have been thinking and am rather confused about biowares goal with this DLC. They by releasing "clarification" have in a manner of speaking admited the ending was badly done so the cant possibly hang onto the "artistic bull****" defence so why didn't they start clean with a proper ending?

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TiminatorT2000 wrote...

mutio wrote...

Would be curious to see that ending she talks about:
https://twitter.com/...955957643481088


She means you have to headcannon it with the high ems destroy ending.

Pardon me, headcannon? Could you explain that please?^^

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BalianOfIbelin wrote...



Link to my alternate ending: http://social.biowar.../index/11739343



Terrific, terrific!!! I wished you were among the lead writers :)...

Though it is hard to believe that it is the ending, I mean, somehow (at least for me) and no matter the ending I choose, I always get the feeling that something will "pop up" in the future continuing the story <_<... A game, a DLC,... Well, just a feeling, anyway :D...

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mutio wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

mutio wrote...

Would be curious to see that ending she talks about:
https://twitter.com/...955957643481088


She means you have to headcannon it with the high ems destroy ending.

Pardon me, headcannon? Could you explain that please?^^


Headcannon means you need to make up your own "story" for what happens, based on what is shown in the game. Headcannon thusly varies greatly from person to person, but it is considered to be "the right story" by every person.

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I also cannot believe that the star kid could get any stupider, but he now says that organics seek perfection through technology. Uh, what? What the heck does that even mean? People use technology to do certain things and some people think they can improve themselves with it, but that is an over-generalization of things. It totally rejects the heart and the soul to think that all that organics are looking for is perfection through technology.

And then he says that synthetics seek perfection through understanding when actually as EDI and the get showed, sentient synthetics can actually seek to be rather less perfect through understanding. EDI was actually trying to "shut off" the things that made her more perfect.

And of course as I pointed out the kid's whole created/creator thing is actually most likely based upon what "he" did himself to his creators.

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[quote]mutio wrote...

Would be curious to see that ending she talks about:
https://twitter.com/...955957643481088[/quote]

She means you have to headcannon it with the high ems destroy ending.

[/quote]

I am sure that's probably what she means but it is cruel to tweet that.  Any idiot knows that when people ask if you can get a reunion with the teammates/friends/LI with Shepard, they mean will it be shown in the game?  We had the head cannon ending already and said repeatedly we didn't like it much.  Again, it's cruel and indicates a certain attitude towards fans that is sadistic.  If there's another way in game to see a reunion, then she needs to specifically state that.  She may not need to tell people how to get it, but say that in game it is possible.

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i have never been more disappointed in my life. i am one of the most hardcore mass effect fans of all time, and i can not get over what they did to a game they obviously put so much effort into: into all three games, why they would just destroy it like that. granted, the EC is a better ending, but its like how id rather have HIV than AIDS. its still space magic, just slightly more detailed space magic. bioware had every tool at their disposal, and every bit the ability to make an ending worthy of the Mass Effect trilogy, they even saw it right in front of them, and ignored it. continuing to ram the amazing ride that was ME straight into a wall, while blinded by their "artistic vision"
despite all this, i STILL have faith in bioware , that they can wrap this amazing journey up right. every time i start to worry, i just remember shepards breath in the rubble, and i pray to God that this isnt the real, final end to this story, when they can obviously and clearly do so much better. our last hope as fans is that there will be post-ending dlc that will truly do this game and this company justice. the fact that they didnt just ignore, but went out of their way to disprove, an ending that in the right hands of the writers at bioware could have been the perfect ending to the perfect franchise, is disheartening; but i believe any organization that put this much heart and soul into something like this wouldnt be able to bear watching it die like this either.
i dont know about anybody else, but ive invested too much in this series to give up hope now. i refuse to watch this amazing story go up in flames and believe that this is really the end, THERE MUST BE MORE!!

#1892
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So... when is it out? I'm in the east side... it's 3PM... no download is showing up on Origin...

??


UPDATE:

Okay, I got it. I had to load the actual game and then check for DLC from game menu to be able to dowload.

Modifié par Dr_Hello, 26 juin 2012 - 07:32 .


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jgibson14352 wrote...

i have never been more disappointed in my life. i am one of the most hardcore mass effect fans of all time, and i can not get over what they did to a game they obviously put so much effort into: into all three games, why they would just destroy it like that. granted, the EC is a better ending, but its like how id rather have HIV than AIDS. its still space magic, just slightly more detailed space magic. bioware had every tool at their disposal, and every bit the ability to make an ending worthy of the Mass Effect trilogy, they even saw it right in front of them, and ignored it. continuing to ram the amazing ride that was ME straight into a wall, while blinded by their "artistic vision"
despite all this, i STILL have faith in bioware , that they can wrap this amazing journey up right. every time i start to worry, i just remember shepards breath in the rubble, and i pray to God that this isnt the real, final end to this story, when they can obviously and clearly do so much better. our last hope as fans is that there will be post-ending dlc that will truly do this game and this company justice. the fact that they didnt just ignore, but went out of their way to disprove, an ending that in the right hands of the writers at bioware could have been the perfect ending to the perfect franchise, is disheartening; but i believe any organization that put this much heart and soul into something like this wouldnt be able to bear watching it die like this either.
i dont know about anybody else, but ive invested too much in this series to give up hope now. i refuse to watch this amazing story go up in flames and believe that this is really the end, THERE MUST BE MORE!!


Actually, I'm seeing some interest for paid DLC that addresses the damn reunion aspect.  I am so completely torn over that idea, because it is so rotten to do to fans.  I wanted the chance at a full on happy ending with a reunion-a chance, a way to play to achieve it.  If they have opted instead for a teaser toward that in paid DLC, that is the most horrible thing a game company could ever do.  Will it sell incredibly well?  I believe it would.  Would I buy it?  I honestly don't know.  I feel completely let down by this game again.  I figured I would, but you never know it until it happens.

This second ending is no more satisfying than the first.  What I feel we have now is just more explanation as to why the kid thinks these are great choices and Shepard still gets to commit suicide with more clarity under the belt, still gets to gasp once and leaves fans hanging onto that gasp like it was a lifeline.  I feel like I understand the choices about as well as I did before, because in Bioware's own words, nothing was fundamentally changed.  Except now we are treated to one more Shepard must die ending.  A new ending in DLC that they said would have no new endings-and the worst possible understanding of what people thought rejection could mean.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 26 juin 2012 - 07:26 .


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3DandBeyond wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

i have never been more disappointed in my life. i am one of the most hardcore mass effect fans of all time, and i can not get over what they did to a game they obviously put so much effort into: into all three games, why they would just destroy it like that. granted, the EC is a better ending, but its like how id rather have HIV than AIDS. its still space magic, just slightly more detailed space magic. bioware had every tool at their disposal, and every bit the ability to make an ending worthy of the Mass Effect trilogy, they even saw it right in front of them, and ignored it. continuing to ram the amazing ride that was ME straight into a wall, while blinded by their "artistic vision"
despite all this, i STILL have faith in bioware , that they can wrap this amazing journey up right. every time i start to worry, i just remember shepards breath in the rubble, and i pray to God that this isnt the real, final end to this story, when they can obviously and clearly do so much better. our last hope as fans is that there will be post-ending dlc that will truly do this game and this company justice. the fact that they didnt just ignore, but went out of their way to disprove, an ending that in the right hands of the writers at bioware could have been the perfect ending to the perfect franchise, is disheartening; but i believe any organization that put this much heart and soul into something like this wouldnt be able to bear watching it die like this either.
i dont know about anybody else, but ive invested too much in this series to give up hope now. i refuse to watch this amazing story go up in flames and believe that this is really the end, THERE MUST BE MORE!!


Actually, I'm seeing some interest for paid DLC that addresses the damn reunion aspect.  I am so completely torn over that idea, because it is so rotten to do to fans.  I wanted the chance at a full on happy ending with a reunion-a chance, a way to play to achieve it.  If they have opted instead for a teaser toward that in paid DLC, that is the most horribly thing a game company could ever do.  Will it sell incredibly well?  I believe it would.  Would I buy it?  I honestly don't know. 

This second ending is no more satisfying than the first.  What I feel we have now is just more explanation as to why the kid thinks these are great choices and Shepard still gets to commit suicide with more clarity under the belt, still gets to gasp once and leaves fans hanging onto that gasp like it was a lifeline.  I feel like I understand the choices about as well as I did before, because in Bioware's own words, nothing was fundamentally changed.  Except now we are treated to one more Shepard must die ending.  A new ending in DLC that they said would have no new endings-and the worst possible understanding of what people thought rejection could mean.

the most upsetting part for me was that i was a believer in indoctrination theory, and bioware did everything they could to cover that up to make it seem implausible,. technically, it still is plausible, but it has lost almost all credibility. 
i want nothing more than a good ending to this series, it deserves that much. should they charge for it? ABSOLUTLY NOT. will they? probably. would i pay for it? ABSOLUTLY YES.
what i can NOT understand is why bioware, who obviously loves their game as much as anyone, would kick it while its down like that with this so called "Extended Cut"

Modifié par jgibson14352, 26 juin 2012 - 07:32 .


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is the EC up on PSN yet?

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Great job Bioware! You have restored my faith in your company! I love the refusal option, and I love the way you cleared up the destroy ending. And the way I see it, even though some don't see it my way, the breath scene IS explained! They think Shepard is dead and are putting up the name plate because they don't know, but he/she really just got blown to one of the arms of the citadel and actually lived! Why they fled the blastwave (maybe to save EDI?, but then EDI's name is still on the wall) is unknown. Unless they WERE trying to save EDI but just couldn't outrun it, which makes sense since they did take damage, thus killing EDI, which is a shame. Regardless...BRAVO! This is what I wanted, at least makes tons more sense.

Modifié par Paladin1337, 26 juin 2012 - 07:34 .


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---  OKAY, EVERYONE!  I downloaded the EC at 7 AM, and have been playing the endings (all of them) since 8 AM.  It is now 2:30, and I have seen every possible outcome.  Well, every possible high EMs outcome, at least.  Here's what I thought, in REVERSE ORDER.  That means that the first one I list is the most recent ending I tried, and the last one in the list is the first one I tried.

High EMS Destroy:  I went over and shot that damn pipe.  Never did this before.  Flash: Anderson.  I expected that.  Flash: EDI.  Uh oh.  Guess she didn't make it through.  Flash: Tali.  Yay!  No Liara, who I never really even got along with!  New Scene: Hackett says that the Crucible's going, run away.  Joker doesn't WANT to, but Garrus tells him that he has to.  Explains why Joker left, ADEQUATELY.  Not brilliantly, but adequately.  Guys in the rubble, reaper landing, red wave hits reapers, Reaper falls down.  New Scene: Is that Cortez, or a look-alike?  He's saving some dude from husks, but outnumbered.  As they get to him, they get hit by the wave and the husks are obliterated.  Cortez-alike and helmeted buddy are happy.  So am I!  The Citadel charges up and fires.  Little explosions.  Uh oh, it looks like it's breaking!  Relays get hit by beam, charge up.  Chane in scene: no little explosions.  Then the Spinny Rings fall out of the relay.  Relays not destroying entire systems explained ADEQUATELY.  Not brilliantly, but again, adequately.  Joker outrunning the Wave, it hits, and... then the Normandy's on the planet.  It has its engines, nice.  Rememborial Service: EDI's name is on the wall.  Aww.  Joker's standing alone and looking sad.  Sorry I killed your girl, bro.  I was hoping that she'd be rebuildable, like the Catalyst implied that most tech would be.  Tali has my name.  Doesn't put it on the wall this time.  The Normandy Flies Away, abandoning the Shaggy God Story (I assume that the Stargazer and the Kid are just, like, colonists on that planet, and Grandpa just thinks that the kid is too young to go explore space.)  Then, I AM A TORSO!!!!  And Buzz and the little boy.  Then we get Hackey Sack Epilogue: that we'll rebuild everything, and remember those who sacrificed.  Seeing drawings of my buddies from previous games and this game still alive is a happy thing.  At least I know nobody'll starve now, yeah?  Hey, a rebuilt Citadel!  That's nice!  Krogan Babies, or KROGIES!  Lots of smile inducing **** here.  Best was PROBABLY Zaeed kicking back on a lounge chair, drinking something in a champagne glass.  Creds, and the Buzz Scene.  Then the Buy DLC document, now altered with BioWare acknowledging (half heartedly, but at least they understand) that we are the driving force behind their company.

I rate the High EMS Destroy Ending with a "Good."  Consider that a 7 out of 10.  Original Destroy was a 0 out of 10.

---  Before I tried that one, I did a high EMS Control Ending.  I'll outline the differences between this and Destroy:
In this ending, after the Anderson Flash, I got a flash of my bro, Thane.  Nice to see him remembered.  Also got my Tali flash.  The typical blue Reapers Leave scene, then I got the Husks attacking cortez scene.  SADLY, my HDMI cable screwed up here, so I didn't see exactly what happened, but I assumed that they stopped.  Then I fixed my cable quickly and saw the Citadel charge up and emanate to the Relays.  Again, they had no explosions.  The Citadel didn't seem to break apart in this ending.  This is where I first saw the Thessia Victory Scene.  Same Joker being told by Garrus to leave.  Same riding the wave.  Same Normandy on the Planet (Which I assume is... I don't know, just to hold a funeral in a beautiful place.)  All the guys are at the Memorial Wall.  Tali puts my name up there with Anderson.  Shepard Epilogue Time: Or rather, REAPARD TIME.  That's half Reaper, half Shepard.  Not half Retard.  This could have been written a LITTLE better.  Every time Reaper Shep referred to being a higher form now, or having a new purpose, or whatever, it made me a little nervous.  But when he started remembering Thane and Mordin and Legion, and saying that he'd be around to forever protect the many, I was like, "Okay, he's still Shep at heart."  More little scenes of people rebuilding, relaxing.  Reapers are helping rebuild here, under Shepard's control.  Saw some different ones in this one from the others.  All are good.  The Buzz Scene.  Then the DLC and "Thanks for buying our product and putting up with our **** up!" scene.

I rate the High EMS Control Ending with a "Pretty good."  That would be a 7.5 out of 10, I suppose.  Original Control was a 0 out of 10.  Because it was the same as the Destroy Ending.

---  Right before that, I tried the Synthesis Ending.  I picked this first, because I assumed I'd like it the least.  However, I have to say, the Catalyst's explanation of how it would work (Improve Biological systems through technology, and make Synthetic Life all UNDERSTAND Organic life) makes a crapton more sense than the previous- oh, wait, there was no previous explanation.  Sure, it's still kinda Space Magic, but at least they TRY to explain it.  I have suspended my Disbelief.  And oddly enough, I kinda liked this.  The scenes played out like the other 2, but with some differences.  I liked the looks on the Husks' faces when they stopped attacking Cortez.  They looked kinda half regretful, half horrified.  Like, they may have realized what they were, and what they were doing.  The Citadel fired the little beam, not sure if I saw any Explosions on it.  If there were, I just didn't notice.  Everyone (of course) has the little green circuits all over them.  This is where I first saw the new Palaven and Tuchanka victory scenes.  I really like the other planet Victory Scenes, By the way.  At least it shows that the relay didn't kill everything, since the wave would have originated at the relay, not at the citadel, like with Earth.  I notice in the Jungle scene (which I still hate, btw,) that even EDI has little green circuits on her skin.  Why the HELL did she need MORE CIRCUITS???  Minor point, made me laugh.)  Memorial Scene again, everyone has Synth Eyes.  Tali puts the name on the wall.  The most new drawn epilogue scenes here, while EDI explains that life is pretty good.  I will buy this, as I trust EDI.  Having a direct "connection" to all the previous species that were made into Reapers makes me a little worried, but they understand Organics now, so I don't think they'll be a problem.  Synthesis is now acceptable to me, but again, only because EDI says it's okay and it's more that animals now have organic circuitry and not wires and **** JAMMED INTO THEIR FLESH.  Buzz Scene, and DLC advert.

I actually really liked this.  I know, I used to rail against Synthesis.  I think a lot of my accepting this is because it's not left ambiguous, and because now the Catalyst makes sense.  Not that what he SAYS makes sense.  I'll elaborate on this later.  But I'd give this ending a "Really good."  An 8 our of 10, if you will.  Original Synthesis Ending was rated a **** NO, NEVER, NOT IN A MILLION YEARS out of 10, since the only examples of this were things like the Operation Overlord dude, the Husks and Cannibals and ****, and actual Reapers.  If you can stay YOU while recieving synthetic ammendments (like Shepard's project lazarus parts, or my own porcelain and gold crowns on my teeth) then you haven't lost your essence.

---  Before THIS, I found the SECRET FOURTH CHOICE.  There's actually two ways to get this.  On my very very first playthrough of the EC, I decided to take Destroy First.  I was hobbling toward the Pipe, and I thought, "Know what?  I'm gonna shoot this little mutha ****a one last time, just for ****s and giggles."  So I turned, took Aim, and fired.  And then a cutscene came on.  And Starboy goes, in horrible deep worse than Harbinger voice, "SO BE IT!" and I stopped giggling, and almost ****.  He says, back in Starboy voice, "The cycle will continue," and he disappears, and all the machines turn off.  And the screen fades to black.  And we see a green world, with a little lake, and a bit ofa  tower with a flashing red light.  The camera pans down, to an underground bunker.  Where we see a Hologram of Liara explaining how we fought the reapers.  We united the Galaxy.  And we built the Crucible.  But none of it worked.  And she's got her little box there, to give the next cycle a shot.  Then the credits.

SUPER DUPER SECRET ENDING!  Then we get the Stargazer Scene!  Only it's different.  It's some alien woman with a child.  And the dialogue is very similar, but what she says implies that the knowledge that Liara left behind allowed the NEXT cycle to kill the Reapers.  Then she tells the kid to buy more DLC.  Lawl.  But really, then we get the Buy some DLC scene.

The other way to get this is to constantly, CONSTANTLY refute the Starboy.  Shepard gives a speech about what he's been fighting for.  And then he, quoting Master Bra'tac from Stargate SG-1, says, "I die free!" and then Starboy does the poop inducing "SO BE IT!" voice, and we get the ending.

I was not expecting this ending.  It allowed me to never compromise my principles.  It allowed me to tell the Starboy exactly what I thought of him and his abominable choices (even though they're all not that bad anymore) and it even allowed me to be sure that the Reapers were dead without the Mighty MacGuffin, since Liara told the next cycle that it didn't work.  THIS was a hell of a Sacrifice.  THIS was bittersweet.  THIS gave me a feeling of hope from the future.  With the other 3 endings, BioWare took the Worst Ending Ever and made them successfully not the worst ending ever; but in THIS ending, they took the "worst" choice and, to me at least, made it the BEST ENDING.

And so I name this the FREEDOM ENDING.  And I rate the High EMS, Full Paragon, American to the bitter end Freedom Ending a 9 out of 10, or a DAMN GOOD.

---  All that said, no ending here is a perfect ending.  It took too long to get.  BioWare, if this is what you wanted to show us from the beginning, then you should have showed this to us from the beginning.  Without previous disappointement to color my judgment, I would have LOVED THESE.  Without all the damn controversy, and the mandatory multiplayer, and the From Ashes bull**** this would have been 100% the best game ever.  I would have glossed over the little things that bother me for the sake of the INCREDIBLE narrative that ended with thought provoking, but mostly successful endings!  SPECULATION is not the same as CONSIDERATION.  Emptiness is not the same as open-endedness.  And Hope is not the same as Worry.

STICKING POINTS: 

-I'd like to send a nice letter to Harbinger, thanking him for allowing the Normandy to pick Liara and Tali up, letting me and Tali have one last sweet moment together, without him, you know, blowing it up.  they could have explained this by having another ship start shooting Harbinger, forcing him to turn toward the more immediate threat.  Then, when that ship EXPLODES, he can turn back to see the Normandy gone, and start shooting at Shep again.  It's minor, and I can forgive it, in light of you fixing most of the ending.

-We got the Boss Fight we wanted!  But we DIDN'T want it to be a fight against floaty, spinning aiming mechanics while Marauder Shields shoots me in the throat, and I die an average of THREE TIMES every time I tried to make it to the Conduit.  Thanks for at least removing most of his shields.  But not ALL of his shields.  He remains Marauder Shields, humanity's greatest hero.  The floating is annoying, but I can forgive.

-Replay from Chronos Station?  I didn't notice anything new until the approach to Earth.  Lots of new fleet stuff.  That was nice.  But an extra hour of gameplay...  eh, I can forgive.  It was a pretty good hour.

-Normandy's still damaged on the Jungle World, but then flies away.  I have to assume that the wave made the ship a little unstable, but they fixed it fast when they landed.  Small speculation.  But again, I can forgive, since it's minor.

THINGS I ACTIVELY THANK YOU FOR!!!

Other than the Epilogues, the assurance that the Relays didn't kill everyone, and the Citadel not being forever lost (I really loved that Citadel.  I wanted a Scifi TV series about law enforcement on the Citadel.  It would have been a cross between Star Trek DS9/Babylon 5 and Alien Nation.  Would have been GREAT!)  It's nice to know that we didn't turn into a moron at the end who ****s the entire universe.

The change of Starboy's Dialogue.  It's rather clear that he's a rather literalistic AI now, who seems to think that "life" is merely the collection of its achievement.  Like Brainiac from Superman, once you record everything that a civilization IS, you can safely destroy it to "preserve it."  This also explains how non-conformable species can be "ascended" into a reaper.  Just combine all their ideas, achievements, creations, etc (as he says) and POOF, make it a reaper.  So a Quarrian Reaper wouldn't be BIOLOGICALLY Quarrian, but it might contain records of everything they did.  Same for a Geth Reaper (since he says he even ascends Synthetic life.)  He ALSO now says that he wants to preserve BOTH Organic and Synthetic life.  So wiping out a cycle's Organics and Synthetics would allow both to rise again... until they were fit for "preservation."  Not the SMARTEST guy in the world, but at least I can follow his train of thought.  The PREVIOUS incarnation of the Catayst's Train of Thought went off the rails.  And was also actually a BOAT.  Sealed in a Lucite Block.  Upside down.

EXPLANATIONS!  Hallelujah!  Even if it doesn't make perfect sense, once someone explains something in fiction, that means it can make sense IN THAT FICTIONAL WORLD.  Cyclops shooting lasers from his EYES is ab****e BULL****.  But when you say, "No no, that's just a random mutation in human evolution," then POW, X-MEN!  YEEAAAHHH!!!!  Seriously, this was a big thing for me.

Another thing I want to thank you for is that a lot of the new dialogue... may well have been EXACT QUOTES from people on the old Endings thread.  3Dandbeyond once said "How can I control ANYTHING when I'm dead?"  Shepard says the EXACT SAME LINE, with the same INFLECTION, if you ask about the control option.  A lot of the refusal dialogue seems like you might have lifted it EXACTLY from a fictional conversation that I wrote there between me and the Catalyst.  DID you steal it all from us?  Probably not (I know you did!) but if you did, it's cool.  And if you didn't, well, at least someone over there thinks like we do.

---  But there are still a few problems.  For one, you still need a connection to GET any of this fixed stuff.  So...

I have re-evaluated my recommendations for this game.  I am telling my friends, "If you have a broadband internet connection, and a spare 10 bucks to get the REAL full game by buying From Ashes, then get Mass Effect 3, download all the DLC first, and you'll be happy."  Any of my friends who don't have the connection, I'll say "Don't bother."

As for my OWN stance-  you and I are neutral again.  BioWare is not back on my Auto-Purchase list, but you're also not on my "Never buy it, EA own is" list anymore.  Believe me, that's a good thing.  I will be judging your products by what they seem.  I have given you mercy on this one.  Just keep making well written, well made, thought proviking games, STOP listening to PR when they tell you to ignore or play down customer criticism, and remember that we LOVE WHAT YOU DO, when you do it the way that you usually do it.  I hope that you get everything right next time, and this whole debacle is eventually just a speedbump on your drive to prosperity, and OUR drive to incredible RPGs.

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3DandBeyond wrote...

I also cannot believe that the star kid could get any stupider, but he now says that organics seek perfection through technology. Uh, what? What the heck does that even mean? People use technology to do certain things and some people think they can improve themselves with it, but that is an over-generalization of things. It totally rejects the heart and the soul to think that all that organics are looking for is perfection through technology.

And then he says that synthetics seek perfection through understanding when actually as EDI and the get showed, sentient synthetics can actually seek to be rather less perfect through understanding. EDI was actually trying to "shut off" the things that made her more perfect.

And of course as I pointed out the kid's whole created/creator thing is actually most likely based upon what "he" did himself to his creators.


Don't overthink that, 3D.  I understood that to mean that Organic Life either stays animals or gets better by mastering technology.  I have some Technology to augment me: I have multiple crowns on busted teeth, and I wear glasses.  Soon enough I will SHOOT MY EYES WITH LASERS!

ALSO!  About the new DLC?  That'll all happen before the endings.  The endings are too different to have anything after them.  But to me, that's okay, because the new endings (and they are, just admit it, new Destroy is not the same as old Destroy, etc etc) are SATISFACTORY!  That's kinda sad to say, but it's better than the old mess.  lol.  And I actually really liked the Freedom or Refusal Ending, and even thought the other 3 were improved to the point that they're not bad.

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mutio wrote...

TiminatorT2000 wrote...

mutio wrote...
Would be curious to see that ending she talks about:
https://twitter.com/...955957643481088

She means you have to headcannon it with the high ems destroy ending.

Pardon me, headcannon? Could you explain that please?^^


I've always taken it to mean either there's a deliberately ambiguous ending which fill in your preferred result or something ends early and you create what happens next based on what's gone before.

A good example would be the film Shane - did he survive saving the town or did he die of his wounds.

Unfortunately, the EC kinda screws this up a bit with its timing. It does kind of make sense - the Normandy crew stranded outside of the sol system in a crippled ship hold a ceremony to mourn sheps death. But back in sol the citadel is not destroyed and when the Normandy returns happy ending all round. But it's assumed rather than shown. Which is annoying.

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Paladin1337 wrote...

Great job Bioware! You have restored my faith in your company! I love the refusal option, and I love the way you cleared up the destroy ending. And the way I see it, even though some don't see it my way, the breath scene IS explained! They think Shepard is dead and are putting up the name plate because they don't know, but he/she really just got blown to one of the arms of the citadel and actually lived! Why they fled the blastwave (maybe to save EDI?, but then EDI's name is still on the wall) is unknown. Unless they WERE trying to save EDI but just couldn't outrun it, which makes sense since they did take damage, thus killing EDI, which is a shame. Regardless...BRAVO! This is what I wanted, at least makes tons more sense.


how would they know the wave would kill EDI?