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[BlueStorm83]

AresKeith wrote...

Paladin1337 wrote...

Great job Bioware! You have restored my faith in your company! I love the refusal option, and I love the way you cleared up the destroy ending. And the way I see it, even though some don't see it my way, the breath scene IS explained! They think Shepard is dead and are putting up the name plate because they don't know, but he/she really just got blown to one of the arms of the citadel and actually lived! Why they fled the blastwave (maybe to save EDI?, but then EDI's name is still on the wall) is unknown. Unless they WERE trying to save EDI but just couldn't outrun it, which makes sense since they did take damage, thus killing EDI, which is a shame. Regardless...BRAVO! This is what I wanted, at least makes tons more sense.

how would they know the wave would kill EDI?

Remember: Nobody knew WHAT the Crucible would do.  Hackett ordered everyone to fall back, because, well, if anything can happen, you don't want that anything to be "Turn off all technology" when you're in a space ship in SPACE.  Much safer to run from the wave than to wait around.

[Thanatos144]

MikeNail wrote...

It doesn't make any sense, they could've used indoctrination theory, they wouldn't need to change single letter on the current ending, and they would be kings of storytelling.

Instead they chose to tell us: ,,Oh, sorry, we wrote it so terribly that we must rewrite all the scenes in last 15 minutes, we are so stupid".

That is what they did...why??

Could be cause Shepard isnt indocturnated and they told you you this several times!

[3DandBeyond]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I also cannot believe that the star kid could get any stupider, but he now says that organics seek perfection through technology. Uh, what? What the heck does that even mean? People use technology to do certain things and some people think they can improve themselves with it, but that is an over-generalization of things. It totally rejects the heart and the soul to think that all that organics are looking for is perfection through technology.

And then he says that synthetics seek perfection through understanding when actually as EDI and the get showed, sentient synthetics can actually seek to be rather less perfect through understanding. EDI was actually trying to "shut off" the things that made her more perfect.

And of course as I pointed out the kid's whole created/creator thing is actually most likely based upon what "he" did himself to his creators.

Don't overthink that, 3D.  I understood that to mean that Organic Life either stays animals or gets better by mastering technology.  I have some Technology to augment me: I have multiple crowns on busted teeth, and I wear glasses.  Soon enough I will SHOOT MY EYES WITH LASERS!

ALSO!  About the new DLC?  That'll all happen before the endings.  The endings are too different to have anything after them.  But to me, that's okay, because the new endings (and they are, just admit it, new Destroy is not the same as old Destroy, etc etc) are SATISFACTORY!  That's kinda sad to say, but it's better than the old mess.  lol.  And I actually really liked the Freedom or Refusal Ending, and even thought the other 3 were improved to the point that they're not bad.

Not over-thinking it.  He says he was created to find a balance between synthetics and organics but this was the problem and that problem started him down the road to being the reaper commander.  It's the reason he is doing this because he sees this as causing the conflict that causes the chaos and creates the reason for Synthesis being necessary.  Basically, I've seen all the choices start to finish, played 2 of them, didn't really change my opinion of them.  Yeah, they were explained more, but not sufficiently to make me think of them as actual real choices.  It's still accepting the kid's flawed reality and accepting him, which I can't.  The best part of the choices is that voice, but it's not enough.  Gasp ending is still there-and too much is still head cannon stuff.  I still think it's rather unfair to explicity show what happens and now tell what happens in all the Shepard must die scenes, but cruel to not add further development of the Shepard lives scene.  Sorry, but that's how I see it.

The refusal/reject ending was well ok for what it was, but although I knew they'd never do more, there was a better way to have that play out.

[lasertank]

SetecAstronomy wrote...

lasertank wrote...

A question for those who liked the ending of ME3 or EC :

"Since when the conflict between synthetic and organic becomes the theme of ME series?"

Please inspire me.

I thought it was ever since the synthetic Geth led by the synthetic Reapers began conflict by attacking the organic residents of Eden Prime, forcing the organic Shepard & Co. to fight the synthetic Geth etc.

I admit, I may have misinterpreted your question. If so, I apologize.

No, it's not a conflict between geth and organics. It's simply a conflict between all species and one reaper. Sovereign cheated and used heretic geth as his army. The heretic geth wants the reaper tech. They don't have quarrel with organics. 

[3DandBeyond]

I also still wanted a possible Shepard lives ending that didn't make me kill EDI.

[BlueStorm83]

3DandBeyond wrote...


Not over-thinking it.  He says he was created to find a balance between synthetics and organics but this was the problem and that problem started him down the road to being the reaper commander.  It's the reason he is doing this because he sees this as causing the conflict that causes the chaos and creates the reason for Synthesis being necessary.  Basically, I've seen all the choices start to finish, played 2 of them, didn't really change my opinion of them.  Yeah, they were explained more, but not sufficiently to make me think of them as actual real choices.  It's still accepting the kid's flawed reality and accepting him, which I can't.  The best part of the choices is that voice, but it's not enough.  Gasp ending is still there-and too much is still head cannon stuff.  I still think it's rather unfair to explicity show what happens and now tell what happens in all the Shepard must die scenes, but cruel to not add further development of the Shepard lives scene.  Sorry, but that's how I see it.

The refusal/reject ending was well ok for what it was, but although I knew they'd never do more, there was a better way to have that play out.

---  Starboy is still a tremendous idiot, to be sure.  But at least not we can understand WHY he thinks that way.  Compare him to Brainiac from Superman.  Find a civilization, record everything about it, OBLITERATE IT.  Now that Civilization exists frozen in time and prefect forever.  But wait!  They're all dead!  So what?  I'm a machine, and data is just as valid as physicality.

But since Starboy is now defined as being there to facilitate the survival and connection of both Synthetic and Organic Life, that makes it more believable that he's not just blatantly evil.  Just stupid.

If he's stupid, that explain why he can't just follow Shepard's logic and try things Shep's way.

If he's stupid, it explains why he thinks that recording/liquifying life and storing it as data or inside a machine is the same as "preserving" it; he clearly doesn't understand what life really IS.

If he's stupid, it explains why he does the same thing over and over and over, oblivious to how it's not actually working.

And, you have to admit, if he's stupid it even explains why he'd give Shepard options to end its own existence: it's supposed to facilitate Organic/Synthetic relations.  Shepard is part Organic, part Synthetic.  In essence, Shepard IS peace between Organic and Synthetic life.  Maybe whatever stupidity infests the Starboy's circuits can't rebel against Shepard as long as Shepard is willing to entreat it, since Shep is the Starboy's end goal personified.

It's almost like Shepard is the Starboy's idea of a savior.  And Starboy is willing to do whatever Shep says- as long as he can believe that Shepard is that savior.  Reject the Starboy and clearly you're not his savior, and must be just another failed attempt at organic/synthetic fusion.

[BlueStorm83]

Thanatos144 wrote...

MikeNail wrote...

It doesn't make any sense, they could've used indoctrination theory, they wouldn't need to change single letter on the current ending, and they would be kings of storytelling.

Instead they chose to tell us: ,,Oh, sorry, we wrote it so terribly that we must rewrite all the scenes in last 15 minutes, we are so stupid".

That is what they did...why??

Could be cause Shepard isnt indocturnated and they told you you this several times!

---  Actually, bubbles, BioWare had said multiple times that they will neither confirm nor deny the Indoctrination Theory.  They ALSO claimed that the Extended Cut won't confirm or deny it.  Now, I suppose that it COULD still be true, but it's even more of a humongous stretch than it was before.

I mean, if the IT was true, then the brand spanking new "Go to hell, Starboy!" ending would be the clear rejection of indoctrination, but it results in saving the galaxy... for the next cycle, after we're all dead.  Whoops!

[comrade gando]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Vasparian wrote...

Wow.. This "NEW ENDING" DLC... Bioware you crack me up. This is what you have been working on? Funny guys.

I wish there were hand puppets to go with the slideshow.

And reject what a wonderful new non-option.  Yeah, I could freaking care what happens some time in the future.  Bioware, what about "we care about these characters" didn't you understand?

I still cannot get over tweeting that a reunion is possible-I want that elaborated on, please. 

exactly. bioware we care about these characters not this organics vs synthetics ordeal which turned out was real all along (wtf?).

-starchild is still yo-dawg logic on shepard.
-starchild is actually harbinger (or was he?)
-harbinger still flies away for no reason after zapping shepard
-turns out the crucible actually CAN do these rediculous things due to huge amounts of artistic integrity
-4th option 'refuse' I assume is shepard's choice, is actually the worst of the lot everybody dies *slow clap*
-we still have RGB to choose from you guys didn't fix anything
-the endings are 100% real now according to bioware, but the numerous plotholes still exist, such as how did anderson "follow" shepard up, and where the heck did the illusive man come from. WHERE THE HECK DID THE ILLUSIVE MAN COME FROM
-where are they on the citadel? and why does it look like the shadow broker's lair?
-well while I'm at it I'll just factor in every. single. thing wrong with the last 15 minutes of the game to this mess.
-at the end of destroy shepard still takes a breath, we still don't know where he is, how he survived (since everything was real hyuk hyuk), or ANYTHING that explains that. explain movie. EXPLAIN!

in other words, by saying that "yes, what you saw at the end was REAL then why in the name of assness is the last 15 minutes of the game so damn strange?! all these rediculous plot holes just start stacking up and by saying that the ending actually happened as we saw it is just dismissing all these errors and pretending they didn't happen.

the EC endings give some sweet cutscenes and stuff but it's just rediculous how much potential was wasted with the finale of this game.

what in the world were you guys THINKING?!

Modifié par comrade gando, 26 juin 2012 - 08:31 .

[3DandBeyond]

BlueStorm83 wrote...


---  Starboy is still a tremendous idiot, to be sure.  But at least not we can understand WHY he thinks that way.  Compare him to Brainiac from Superman.  Find a civilization, record everything about it, OBLITERATE IT.  Now that Civilization exists frozen in time and prefect forever.  But wait!  They're all dead!  So what?  I'm a machine, and data is just as valid as physicality.

But since Starboy is now defined as being there to facilitate the survival and connection of both Synthetic and Organic Life, that makes it more believable that he's not just blatantly evil.  Just stupid.

If he's stupid, that explain why he can't just follow Shepard's logic and try things Shep's way.

If he's stupid, it explains why he thinks that recording/liquifying life and storing it as data or inside a machine is the same as "preserving" it; he clearly doesn't understand what life really IS.

If he's stupid, it explains why he does the same thing over and over and over, oblivious to how it's not actually working.

And, you have to admit, if he's stupid it even explains why he'd give Shepard options to end its own existence: it's supposed to facilitate Organic/Synthetic relations.  Shepard is part Organic, part Synthetic.  In essence, Shepard IS peace between Organic and Synthetic life.  Maybe whatever stupidity infests the Starboy's circuits can't rebel against Shepard as long as Shepard is willing to entreat it, since Shep is the Starboy's end goal personified.

It's almost like Shepard is the Starboy's idea of a savior.  And Starboy is willing to do whatever Shep says- as long as he can believe that Shepard is that savior.  Reject the Starboy and clearly you're not his savior, and must be just another failed attempt at organic/synthetic fusion.

I appreciate all that you are saying-I just do still have issues of course with the core concepts presented as choices.  Nothing fundamentally has changed.  It's like having a cold and being told why you have a cold-doesn't make it go away.  The choices are still unacceptable, the kid is, his reasons are-he just now has more of them.  I knew they weren't going to change all that.  But they one-upped it and added the 4th, which is not only another way to kill Shepard, but it has the additional benefit of killing everyone.  Yay.

And way too much Hackett.  That narrative is supposed to be uplifting when again all the endings are just rather depressing.  And here's my point as to Destroy-the kid says now that not everything will be destroyed-oh but EDI is.  Ok, I know you can't have everything, but honest to god, this is a game.  It should have been fun and the ending just screws it all up.  I feel even less like playing it than I did and I didn't think that would be possible.  The problem is it now takes even longer and you have to listen to even more BS along the way to getting to the futility of the endings.

I said, I didn't expect they'd fix things in a major way, but I always hoped that the one thing they would listen to was what was the thing people at least hoped they'd address and they didn't.  And somehow they seemed to have made it seem sadder.

This ending re-emphasizes and issue that was not the issue of the games.  Synthetics vs. Organics-and it one ups the idiocy of it.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 26 juin 2012 - 08:30 .

[JediHealerCosmin]

Finally finished it. Thank you. This, was indeed a great ending, and I loved it.

I chose destroy, Shepard lived and everything that followed was just... nice.
When I got the flashbacks with Anderson, EDI and Tali, it was great.

Everything felt like it was put together the way it was meant to. God only knows BioWare what kept you from making it this way from the very beginning.

The relays weren't completely destroyed so the concept of rebuilding would work (that's kissing up, but I'll take it  ), we saw every race celebrating on their planet... everything was brilliant. The Control & Synthesis endings scared the crap out of me, so I'll be staying far away from them.

The memorial and the pause of puting the plaque... I see what you did thar   
The scene with them flying away from the jungle planet... the epilogue... everything was great, in a sad way.


Finally, the message after the grandpa scene. That was pretty much what I expected from you BioWare before this whole Ending War began.

Thank you too 

[Thanatos144]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

MikeNail wrote...

It doesn't make any sense, they could've used indoctrination theory, they wouldn't need to change single letter on the current ending, and they would be kings of storytelling.

Instead they chose to tell us: ,,Oh, sorry, we wrote it so terribly that we must rewrite all the scenes in last 15 minutes, we are so stupid".

That is what they did...why??

Could be cause Shepard isnt indocturnated and they told you you this several times!

---  Actually, bubbles, BioWare had said multiple times that they will neither confirm nor deny the Indoctrination Theory.  They ALSO claimed that the Extended Cut won't confirm or deny it.  Now, I suppose that it COULD still be true, but it's even more of a humongous stretch than it was before.

I mean, if the IT was true, then the brand spanking new "Go to hell, Starboy!" ending would be the clear rejection of indoctrination, but it results in saving the galaxy... for the next cycle, after we're all dead.  Whoops!

You should actually listen to the game . Call me bubbles all you want but I at least comprahend what I saw.

[Burnzee]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Finally finished it. Thank you. This, was indeed a great ending, and I loved it.

I chose destroy, Shepard lived and everything that followed was just... nice.
When I got the flashbacks with Anderson, EDI and Tali, it was great.

Everything felt like it was put together the way it was meant to. God only knows BioWare what kept you from making it this way from the very beginning.

The relays weren't completely destroyed so the concept of rebuilding would work (that's kissing up, but I'll take it  ), we saw every race celebrating on their planet... everything was brilliant. The Control & Synthesis endings scared the crap out of me, so I'll be staying far away from them.

The memorial and the pause of puting the plaque... I see what you did thar   
The scene with them flying away from the jungle planet... the epilogue... everything was great, in a sad way.


Finally, the message after the grandpa scene. That was pretty much what I expected from you BioWare before this whole Ending War began.

Thank you too 

All I can add is WOOOWWWWWWW......the ending is greater.....that memorial scene.....****in choaked me up,especially as it just told you 'well thats that everyone' If this had been in the original release ( the EC that is) as part of the game I dont think the outburst would have been as huge or possibly at all.

Truely a great way to end the trilogy. Looking forward to seeing wahts round the Mass Effect corner as there are so a many culminations from this.

Thanks guys for a great job and a great ending.

[AlienSpaceBats]

Just finished my game, played from the Cronos Station mission. Once I started the run to the beam and the new stuff started coming up I had a massive grin on my face.
I can't speak for everyone but I love what you guys did to fix the game, it was pretty much everything I wanted, so ... round of applause for you! :-)

(should have been in the game from day 1!)

[Forsythia]

I still don't like the ending, but it has improved a bit. It should've been like this from the start.

And I'm glad that horrendous "buy DLC!" screen has been altered, it's much better this way!

[BlueStorm83]

--- It's not really re-emphasising Organics VS. Synthetics. It's more Order and Chaos now. Previously Catalyst said that Organics were chaos and so they had to protect organics to preserve order from chaos which was Synthetics because Synthetics were bad and will destroy organics- you know how it went. Now it's a misinterpretation of the Catalyst's original programming.

He was made by organics to find peace with their previous Synthetics. They were afraid the Synthetics would destroy them.

He tells us that all his solutions ALWAYS ended in conflict. That means multiple times. Border scuffles, trade embargoes; you know, all the **** that EVERYONE gets into from time to time. But that meant that he failed.

So he was a failure. He tells us that his creators created the Reapers; clearly the Reapers were true AI at the first. So Starboy PHYSICALLY merged his creators with their Synthetics. And they stopped having periodic wars. They were at PEACE. So technically, he fulfilled his programming.

Sure, the choices are all still part good, part bad. But at least now there's a fair amount of Sweet thrown in with the Bitter. And again, we get a better idea of what will happen because we are allowed to ask about it.

The best thing about these endings is that we can AGAIN take control of Shepard. He can make a choice. We can ask about a choice. We can try to convince someone that we're right. Sure, we fail, but we can't control him. At least we can try. And if we want, we can tell him to **** off.

Shep told Garrus that you can't control what others will do, but you can control how you react to it. That wasn't true for the end of the game before. Now it is. It might not be ideal, it might still be a no-win scenario. But at least now it's Mass Effect again.

[Fezztheeelite2]

I wont lie, I am happier with these endings. still some things I don't agree with such as not being able to fix EDI in destroy or that Shepard is quite literally a God in Control, which makes that one out way the others a bit... and the fact that the races of Syntheses are all powerful knowledge gods should mean they have the means to bring shep back. But other than that they are defiantly better explained and a tad more thought out. The scenes of everyone celebrating afterward by far help the over all endings. I would say thank you, but all the PR and all the out right lying has hurt your rep a bit too much. so... good job covering your asses i guess. :] And I might look into other DLC for the game, if it includes Omega DLC.

[jgibson14352]

one thing nobody seems to notice, when shepard evacs his squad onto the normandy from the beam charge, WHY THE EXPLETIVE DIDNT HARBINGER SHOOT THE CRAP OUT OF THE NORMANDY? its a big shiny ship just standing there for a while moving really slowly.
yes, i get the normandy is a stealth ship, but at that close a range it shouldnt matter. plus, the normandy is meant to be stealthy IN SPACE. not twenty feet off the ground.

[BlueStorm83]

Thanatos144 wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

MikeNail wrote...

It doesn't make any sense, they could've used indoctrination theory, they wouldn't need to change single letter on the current ending, and they would be kings of storytelling.

Instead they chose to tell us: ,,Oh, sorry, we wrote it so terribly that we must rewrite all the scenes in last 15 minutes, we are so stupid".

That is what they did...why??

Could be cause Shepard isnt indocturnated and they told you you this several times!

---  Actually, bubbles, BioWare had said multiple times that they will neither confirm nor deny the Indoctrination Theory.  They ALSO claimed that the Extended Cut won't confirm or deny it.  Now, I suppose that it COULD still be true, but it's even more of a humongous stretch than it was before.

I mean, if the IT was true, then the brand spanking new "Go to hell, Starboy!" ending would be the clear rejection of indoctrination, but it results in saving the galaxy... for the next cycle, after we're all dead.  Whoops!

You should actually listen to the game . Call me bubbles all you want but I at least comprahend what I saw.

The game never mentions Indoctrination as relating to Shepard at all.

It's spelled Comprehend.

And other than calling you by an affectionate Nickname, if you go back and check it over, I'm actually backing your position here.  To say that I wasn't paying attention, when I was agreeing with you when you say that IT is false, then you're saying that you're wrong, creating a logical mobius.

[comrade gando]

jgibson14352 wrote...

one thing nobody seems to notice, when shepard evacs his squad onto the normandy from the beam charge, WHY THE EXPLETIVE DIDNT HARBINGER SHOOT THE CRAP OUT OF THE NORMANDY? its a big shiny ship just standing there for a while moving really slowly.
yes, i get the normandy is a stealth ship, but at that close a range it shouldnt matter. plus, the normandy is meant to be stealthy IN SPACE. not twenty feet off the ground.

I thought that scene was pretty funny, oh so THAT's how they got aboard the normandy. did all these mountains of corpses that suddenly appeared fall out of the sky? bioware you forgot to explain that bit, maybe we should have got a cutscene of bald corpses all wearing ashley/kaiden's armor raining from the sky, would have explained it a bit better... <_<

[Alyrina]

So, I just did the EC

All I can say is goodbye ME ...

[B33ker]

"A strange game. The only winning move, is not to play." 

About sums it up.

They added the new "refusal" option which is just a 4th way to lose.

I agree with WOPR.

[BlueStorm83]

jgibson14352 wrote...

one thing nobody seems to notice, when shepard evacs his squad onto the normandy from the beam charge, WHY THE EXPLETIVE DIDNT HARBINGER SHOOT THE CRAP OUT OF THE NORMANDY? its a big shiny ship just standing there for a while moving really slowly.
yes, i get the normandy is a stealth ship, but at that close a range it shouldnt matter. plus, the normandy is meant to be stealthy IN SPACE. not twenty feet off the ground.

The Stealth thing doesn't even apply.  The Normandy is stealthy in that it doesn't eminate HEAT.  Harbinger can totally just SEE IT THERE.  Like, VISUALLY.  There's no cloaking or anything.  It's not even hiding behind a shower curtain.

WHY didn't Harbinger shoot at it?  Isn't it obvious?  He couldn't see straight, he was getting too teary eyed over my one last sad goodbye with Tali, my one true purple love.

Or maybe he simply couldn't manage to shoot through the Normandy's Plot Shields.

Or maybe...  Enough Maybes.  I did enough of that crap before.  I can overlook Harbinger being stupid for 15 seconds.  At least now the endings don't destroy the entire galaxy forever.

[Thanatos144]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

MikeNail wrote...

It doesn't make any sense, they could've used indoctrination theory, they wouldn't need to change single letter on the current ending, and they would be kings of storytelling.

Instead they chose to tell us: ,,Oh, sorry, we wrote it so terribly that we must rewrite all the scenes in last 15 minutes, we are so stupid".

That is what they did...why??

Could be cause Shepard isnt indocturnated and they told you you this several times!

---  Actually, bubbles, BioWare had said multiple times that they will neither confirm nor deny the Indoctrination Theory.  They ALSO claimed that the Extended Cut won't confirm or deny it.  Now, I suppose that it COULD still be true, but it's even more of a humongous stretch than it was before.

I mean, if the IT was true, then the brand spanking new "Go to hell, Starboy!" ending would be the clear rejection of indoctrination, but it results in saving the galaxy... for the next cycle, after we're all dead.  Whoops!

You should actually listen to the game . Call me bubbles all you want but I at least comprahend what I saw.

The game never mentions Indoctrination as relating to Shepard at all.

It's spelled Comprehend.

And other than calling you by an affectionate Nickname, if you go back and check it over, I'm actually backing your position here.  To say that I wasn't paying attention, when I was agreeing with you when you say that IT is false, then you're saying that you're wrong, creating a logical mobius.

Your kidding right ??????

[BlueStorm83]

--- Guys, remember: A sad ending, an ending you don't like, even an ending where you can't possibly win- none of these things are actual game breakers. As long as we get Narrative Cohesion and the same gameplay mechanics we've had all along then the game remains intact.

Try to not act emotional over content. We can ask questions. We can refuse and reject. We can go down into the night with our dignity and values intact.

Do I believe in a no-win scenario? Hell no. But at least now, since we're stuck in one, we can explore all our options before we make whatever one of them seems the least bad.

You know, like voting for president.

[jgibson14352]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

one thing nobody seems to notice, when shepard evacs his squad onto the normandy from the beam charge, WHY THE EXPLETIVE DIDNT HARBINGER SHOOT THE CRAP OUT OF THE NORMANDY? its a big shiny ship just standing there for a while moving really slowly.
yes, i get the normandy is a stealth ship, but at that close a range it shouldnt matter. plus, the normandy is meant to be stealthy IN SPACE. not twenty feet off the ground.

The Stealth thing doesn't even apply.  The Normandy is stealthy in that it doesn't eminate HEAT.  Harbinger can totally just SEE IT THERE.  Like, VISUALLY.  There's no cloaking or anything.  It's not even hiding behind a shower curtain.

WHY didn't Harbinger shoot at it?  Isn't it obvious?  He couldn't see straight, he was getting too teary eyed over my one last sad goodbye with Tali, my one true purple love.

Or maybe he simply couldn't manage to shoot through the Normandy's Plot Shields.

Or maybe...  Enough Maybes.  I did enough of that crap before.  I can overlook Harbinger being stupid for 15 seconds.  At least now the endings don't destroy the entire galaxy forever.

and another thing, the EXACT same thing happened tin the beggining of the game in vancouver, the normandy just hovered there while reapers landed all around it. a destroyer shot RIGHT NEXT TO IT then turned its head to focus on something else. i bought that the reapers wouldnt attack the normandy back when Indoctrination theory seemed like a legitimate thing, but now i just dont know