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[Slackjaw10]

Well, I just watched all the endings on Youtube and I have to say, the EC did fix the one thing I wanted it to: it shows that there is hope. In other words, the sapient species of the galaxy aren't doomed to isolation from each other and/or extinction.

[Belhawk]

it is manually selected @ Origins.
goto your games, select info, select add-ons, and then select ME 3 EC. It will then DL and install automatically.

[Redbelle]

first playthough of the new ending and that empty hollow feeling I got the first time around........... wasn't there anymore.

Now I'm not going to say that it was perfect. The Nomandy suddenly showing up to evac my squad was a burst out laughing moment........... closely followed by the worry that 'Harbinger could just shoot Normandyout the sky right now'........But this extended edition does flow better in terms of narrative.

That said, this should have most certainly been the effort presented to fans when the game came out. Perhaps in future titles BW will resist allowing a two man team to write an ending it took 6-8 ppl to navigate towards. I'll be keeping an eye on discussions to generate a more informed opinion later but so far, this ECDLC gets a thumbs up. (Yes I know there are still plot holes and inconsistancies, but there are cracks in a story and there are chasms. Cracks can be stepped over to continue the narrative, chasms are fallen into and alot of the chasms of the ending are now filled. Sort of.)

[jstme]

Belhawk wrote...

it is manually selected @ Origins.
goto your games, select info, select add-ons, and then select ME 3 EC. It will then DL and install automatically.

Great. I don't have it..
Harbinger! Why do you toy with me?

Customer service, here i come....

[Archonsg]

BlueStorm83 wrote...--- The Starboy wasn't Harbinger: he's the collective intelligence of all Reapers combined. He tells us that straight up. His voice if we tell him to **** off? Well, he's clearly angry at us. But I think that's more him being angry that the Status Quo is still the only way.Remember, he was created to form Lasting Peace between Organics and Synthetics. Even when he forcibly combines them, he has to do his thing every 50k years. He was hoping that Shepard, who is a peaceful coexistence of Organic and Synthetic, would make a more permanent peace through one of the new options.Again, he's STUPID, but his prime directive is: make sure that Organics and Synthetics do not come into conflict. Until now that was only possible by removing both of them once he felt that the conflict was inevitable. Quick little purges every 50k years is nothing compared to all that peace.

Ahh. Okies.
Still, thought it was Harby's voice.
Though, because the voice changed, at the moment of rejection, the first thing that came to mind was, "It was a deception all along!" meaning that starbrat intentionally chose thst particular form and voice to coerce Shepard into one of three choice of Reaper design.

From this perspective, even though control / destroy seem to be "happier" in that they gave you more incentives to commit suicide and synthesis really appeals to those with the "dead messiah" complex, I'd choose to "loose" with dignity.

Not that I am happy with the ending, nor has this ending given me a reason to want to replay and buy DLCs. Why would I want to do that since Shepard cannot win or be alive without compromising who s/he is?

[JC426]

So in the destroy ending Shepard still survives.....breath scene and Liara giving a little knowing smile and not putting up the memorial plaque! Much better than I thought the new endings would be but still waiting for the explanation for the breath scene in the rubble

[Stian7]

Redbelle wrote...

first playthough of the new ending and that empty hollow feeling I got the first time around........... wasn't there anymore.

Now I'm not going to say that it was perfect. The Nomandy suddenly showing up to evac my squad was a burst out laughing moment........... closely followed by the worry that 'Harbinger could just shoot Normandyout the sky right now'........But this extended edition does flow better in terms of narrative.

That said, this should have most certainly been the effort presented to fans when the game came out. Perhaps in future titles BW will resist allowing a two man team to write an ending it took 6-8 ppl to navigate towards. I'll be keeping an eye on discussions to generate a more informed opinion later but so far, this ECDLC gets a thumbs up. (Yes I know there are still plot holes and inconsistancies, but there are cracks in a story and there are chasms. Cracks can be stepped over to continue the narrative, chasms are fallen into and alot of the chasms of the ending are now filled. Sort of.)

Agreed! The hollow feeling is gone for my part.

[Belhawk]

THe EC fixed most things that i didn't like. I had abt 3600 ems and got the 4000 pt ending. Anderson died of wounds (but not by illusive man or shep controlled by illusive man), illusive man kills himself like Saron, and Shep lived.
I wished that the Geth & EDI could of lived. I also found the slow wounded walking at the end annoying. they should of not had that, but had the illusive man disarmed shep instead.

[lunamoondragon]

Just finished the Destroy ending. Wish I'd done that before Reject, it honestly brought me to tears. So, so happy they fixed the "flashbacks" at the end, so it wasn't always the same characters. Felt so much more personal.
I've still got a little more to see, but I think I'm going to look up Synthesis and Control online, since it's getting a tad boring to talk to Illusive Man over and over.

It wasn't perfect, I'll admit. I would've wanted to see a little more if you'd managed to work for the Shep Lives ending. But it was so much more satisfying than what we got. And that's all I asked for.

This is the level of speculation I wanted, really. You're given your choices and the consequences of them, and you're allowed to ask questions. Still, there are some questions. Did the quarians manage to rebuild the geth? Does EDI have a chance to come back? Mass Effect has already proven to us that death isn't always final, and we survived to have the knowledge to rebuild what we lost. Heck, we still have working ships and stuff, so we might not have that much to rebuild!

And maybe some people interpret it as that the geth and EDI will never come back. And that's fine, we can debate that and build our own understanding of it. But we're allowed to have hope. We're given a sense of victory, and we feel that we can overcome the hurdles of the future.

I'm pissed about the Reject ending. I think I'll be sore about that for a while. But I can live with it, and I'm happy it exists. It gives us another option, so that there's something for any Shep.

I cross my fingers that someday we might manage to beat that kid. That rejection won't end in extinction. But if we never can, oh well. We have this much, and I can live with that.

[Redbelle]

Slackjaw10 wrote...

Well, I just watched all the endings on Youtube and I have to say, the EC did fix the one thing I wanted it to: it shows that there is hope. In other words, the sapient species of the galaxy aren't doomed to isolation from each other and/or extinction.

A few changes I noticed from my playthrough regarding the future of the galaxy.

The relay, when it blew, only blew the central eezo sphere and spinning girders. It stayed relatively intact.

Normandy's engine weren't ripped off and Joker and the crew looked relatively relaxed, in an oh god we just fought the biggest war in our lives ever and generated the biggest bodycount in the galaxy, kind of way.

Joker didn't run away! Not really! Go Joker!

The citadel get's jigsawed back together over Earth So the galactic government hangs around Earth now.. ((Rentokil were then called and later came back to pronounce the citadel a Catalyst free structure).That was a joke).

[Sauras Seedle]

I've never posted on this forum before and I probably never will again but I just wanted to say that I loved the Extended Cut and am now content to purchase more DLC from Bioware.

However, to those who are not satisfied I have only one thing to say...fight on brothers and sisters!
I may be on the other side of the fence now but I aim to be a better neighbour than those who came before me. Keep making your voices heard and keep holding the line

[Redbelle]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- It's not really re-emphasising Organics VS. Synthetics. It's more Order and Chaos now. Previously Catalyst said that Organics were chaos and so they had to protect organics to preserve order from chaos which was Synthetics because Synthetics were bad and will destroy organics- you know how it went. Now it's a misinterpretation of the Catalyst's original programming.

He was made by organics to find peace with their previous Synthetics. They were afraid the Synthetics would destroy them.

He tells us that all his solutions ALWAYS ended in conflict. That means multiple times. Border scuffles, trade embargoes; you know, all the **** that EVERYONE gets into from time to time. But that meant that he failed.

So he was a failure. He tells us that his creators created the Reapers; clearly the Reapers were true AI at the first. So Starboy PHYSICALLY merged his creators with their Synthetics. And they stopped having periodic wars. They were at PEACE. So technically, he fulfilled his programming.

Sure, the choices are all still part good, part bad. But at least now there's a fair amount of Sweet thrown in with the Bitter. And again, we get a better idea of what will happen because we are allowed to ask about it.

The best thing about these endings is that we can AGAIN take control of Shepard. He can make a choice. We can ask about a choice. We can try to convince someone that we're right. Sure, we fail, but we can't control him. At least we can try. And if we want, we can tell him to **** off.

Shep told Garrus that you can't control what others will do, but you can control how you react to it. That wasn't true for the end of the game before. Now it is. It might not be ideal, it might still be a no-win scenario. But at least now it's Mass Effect again.

My understanding from before the EC DLC was that the SC was watching species grow in their niches to the point where each species would compete and kill one another for more  niche space. (I'm counting Synth's as species in this PoV). However, the Reaper intervention removed all species from their niches, thus creating a vacuum that lesser advanced species could grow into.

In essence, to the advanced species he's an butterfly collecting overlord who has seen when species will reach the point of self anniliation and will then swoop in to pop all advanced life into a Reaper specimin jar.

I've oversimplified the explanation to a degree but the basic ideas there.

Modifié par Redbelle, 26 juin 2012 - 10:03 .

[SlackRabbit]

For the destroy ending, I would have had :
Just as Garrus was to put Shepards name on the wall the intercom announce 'excuse me Vakarian, but (cut to Shepard in a hospital bed all beat up with IV pipes etc - shot from the side) but the Network rumours of my demise (front facing zoom to Shep's face and looks directly inthe camera) are greatly exaggerated' (Sheps smiles, wink and run credits)
.
It would have been tongue in cheek and a happy ending

Modifié par SlackRabbit, 26 juin 2012 - 10:06 .

[Redbelle]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

BlueStorm83 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

MikeNail wrote...

It doesn't make any sense, they could've used indoctrination theory, they wouldn't need to change single letter on the current ending, and they would be kings of storytelling.

Instead they chose to tell us: ,,Oh, sorry, we wrote it so terribly that we must rewrite all the scenes in last 15 minutes, we are so stupid".

That is what they did...why??

Could be cause Shepard isnt indocturnated and they told you you this several times!

---  Actually, bubbles, BioWare had said multiple times that they will neither confirm nor deny the Indoctrination Theory.  They ALSO claimed that the Extended Cut won't confirm or deny it.  Now, I suppose that it COULD still be true, but it's even more of a humongous stretch than it was before.

I mean, if the IT was true, then the brand spanking new "Go to hell, Starboy!" ending would be the clear rejection of indoctrination, but it results in saving the galaxy... for the next cycle, after we're all dead.  Whoops!

You should actually listen to the game . Call me bubbles all you want but I at least comprahend what I saw.

The game never mentions Indoctrination as relating to Shepard at all.

It's spelled Comprehend.

And other than calling you by an affectionate Nickname, if you go back and check it over, I'm actually backing your position here.  To say that I wasn't paying attention, when I was agreeing with you when you say that IT is false, then you're saying that you're wrong, creating a logical mobius.

Please no more mobiuses. One original ending Catalyst logic maze was enough.

Modifié par Redbelle, 26 juin 2012 - 10:08 .

[darkshadow136]

If Bioware would have released the game with the extended cut endings to begin with, there would have been a lot less outrage. I think the EC endings make the game playable now, but I still dislike the way they ended the game with the Star Child. But they at least filled many of the plot holes and explained things in a more refined way. I still will stop buying Bioware products though. A customer should not have to protest in order to get a finished or polished product, they should get it by default since they payed good money for it.

Do I feel they listened, in part yes. Did they give us a refusal ending sure , but at the same time they made that the worst ending, even though that would have been more in line with what a paragon or renegade Sheppard would have done. I do feel though they made a better distinction between the other three endings so we don't just see them as colors anymore. The EC I feel is worthwhile for those that hated the original endings like myself or for those that liked the original endings it gives them more depth.

I think in the end Bioware wanted to make something that extended the endings for both sides, not just those that hated the original endings. On that note I think Bioware succeded, as far as getting those alienated customers like myself back only time can tell that story.

[Daliz]

Alot better than what was before, not perfect but something I can live with, and I think we have to because I doubt they will make an other.

[darky00]

Satisfied, i'm not really hard to please, but they actually did listen on few feedbacks, too bad that "being of light" is still there, at least we can bother him to talk. Picked destroy, as i always did, even if it sadly means destroying Geths and EDI. That moment when Tali refused to let Shep leaving while joining the Normandy, kind of emotions i wanted to feel back when i finished the game on the first time. Appreciate the effort Bioware, really. Can do a future ME marathon now.

Modifié par darky00, 26 juin 2012 - 10:11 .

[sliferred123]

i hate you bioware for making each ending so good that it hard to decide which one to pick. Sure i would like to see shep survive but after seeing the new green and blue endings i just don't know anymore. I say Mass Effect 3 is now my favorite game of all time. THANK YOU SO MUCH for such an amazing adventure.

Modifié par frozenwing123, 26 juin 2012 - 10:14 .

[Nenrei]

I just need to get this off my chest.... THANK YOU. For the first time, I smiled after the ending. I feel like I've accomplished something, succeeded, finished a brilliant story. Things were clear and made sense, no more annoying blanks that make me assume the worst. The LI parts were absolutely amazing. The goodbye during the beam scene... That hit so hard I bursted into tears. Just... wow. The catalyst kid was less annoying now that things were explained. The conversation was actually rather amusing. Well done.

All in all, I have no complaints. I feel like I've finally finished the story and can move on. I'm at peace.

Thank you. You guys have my eternal respect and gratitude.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

lasertank wrote...

SetecAstronomy wrote...

lasertank wrote...

A question for those who liked the ending of ME3 or EC :

"Since when the conflict between synthetic and organic becomes the theme of ME series?"

Please inspire me.

I thought it was ever since the synthetic Geth led by the synthetic Reapers began conflict by attacking the organic residents of Eden Prime, forcing the organic Shepard & Co. to fight the synthetic Geth etc.

I admit, I may have misinterpreted your question. If so, I apologize.

No, it's not a conflict between geth and organics. It's simply a conflict between all species and one reaper. Sovereign cheated and used heretic geth as his army. The heretic geth wants the reaper tech. They don't have quarrel with organics. 

Exactly right.  All of that was started by Reapers.  The Geth/Quarian conflict is different, but that is actually (as we learned) started by the Quarians. 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

We got it the first time. You want to know the problem? Here it is.

We don't like to be forced into choosing between:

War Crime A: Mass Slavery (Control)
War Crime B: Galactic-wide Eugenics (Synthesis)
War Crime C: Genocide (Destroy)
And now you can say "I can't choose" or "I don't want to choose"

The entire concept for the ending still absolutely sucks the life out of you if you think about it. Maybe you're just supposed to do and not think? I think that's it.

We don't like feeling like we're doing this: This is what people were really complaining about all those months. The other things were just symptoms. This problem is still there.

I cannot understand how Walters & Hudson thought this would be a good idea for an ending to what was otherwise a great series. Keep your nihilism. Write a completely new ending DLC. I'll pay money for it.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 26 juin 2012 - 10:27 .

[Renmiri1]

Daliz wrote...

Alot better than what was before, not perfect but something I can live with, and I think we have to because I doubt they will make an other.

This

[ThE_LoNe_R4nGeR]

Forgetting everything else, telling the Starbrat to f**** off was satisfying in its own right after the original endings. Even though we all died, Liara's time-capsule cache survived allowing the next cycle to.... avoid the Reapers? Did we end up destroying them and us at the same time? I don't know yet. I'll keep an eye out for more info on the forums.

Then I played through again and put a bullet in Starbrats *head*.... whoops. Same result I learned. Although, I swore IT was correct when I heard Starbrat's voice change to what I thought was Harbinger's voice....And then we lost..... So personally, I'm not sure where to go with IT anymore.

And Destroy... This is my Canon ending. While playing the original last 15 minutes (now about 40) I felt like I wasn't watching an hour movie with 40 minutes of the scenes being deleted. Things, for the most part, made sense this go round. Anderson still followed Shep up, but Hacket's additional comments made everything fit. Same with Joker and the Normandy, though I'm amazed they repaired the ship....whatever, I'll take it. The breath scene is still there in all its riddle-filled glory---- Is that the on the Citadel or Earth?

Overall, thumbs up from me on the DLC. I'll get around two the other two endings eventually, but I can only shoot the Illusive man so many times in one day (and Anderson always dies.... hmph). I'm satisfied, my only wish is that they would have confirmed or denied the Indoctrination Theory.

[Reptilian Rob]

Well, it went better than expected...Still a horrible copout, but one I can live with.

[Raif89]

I still can't DL it, doesn't show up in my game add-ons. Is it still not out for Europe/ME?