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[PuppiesOfDeath2]

By the way, if killing the StarBrat was going to result in my demise and the death of all of my buddies, Bioware could have at least let me go out in style by giving me one last minute with Morinth.

[Redbelle]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

By the way, if killing the StarBrat was going to result in my demise and the death of all of my buddies, Bioware could have at least let me go out in style by giving me one last minute with Morinth.

Pre or Post Banchee?

Modifié par Redbelle, 26 juin 2012 - 11:42 .

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

If you are going to go, I say "go all the way." Morinth, post-Banshee passion....

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

"By the way, Morinth, keep the noise down."

[3DandBeyond]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

--- Guys, remember: A sad ending, an ending you don't like, even an ending where you can't possibly win- none of these things are actual game breakers. As long as we get Narrative Cohesion and the same gameplay mechanics we've had all along then the game remains intact.

Try to not act emotional over content. We can ask questions. We can refuse and reject. We can go down into the night with our dignity and values intact.

Do I believe in a no-win scenario? Hell no. But at least now, since we're stuck in one, we can explore all our options before we make whatever one of them seems the least bad.

You know, like voting for president.

But, again that is of course why the star kid should never have been there.  We accepted they were never getting rid of him, but he is the main problem with cohesion.  He is never prefaced anywhere within it.  He takes the place of the antagonists which again takes away that cohesion.  It isn't sufficient to explain him after the fact-he has the effect of stopping the story dead in its tracks.  Because we already accept that he's there to stay, and the ending starts at Cronos then well he may seem to fit more now, but again it's about 3 games and not just from Cronos.

And as to the idea of order and chaos, sorry Bluestorm he did reference that in the original ending-the only additions seem to be that he sees conflict as chaotic.  Well, life is messy but that is what it means to be alive.  If we all agree on everything then life sucks.  His reasoning becomes even more off the wall.  It's anal retentive reasoning.  It's that person that has to have all their cans of peas alphabetized according to their brand names.  It isn't reason enough to do the things he's been doing.  And it was never a theme of ME.  In fact the theme is more what Hackett states in his droning narrative-it was always about finding ways to work together-that was the conflict.

And narrative cohesion isn't all that this was about.  That was a part of it, but one possible truly happy ending for at least one choice-was that too much to ask for?

I mean, no matter what your EMS now there's one more futile ending added.

And for those of you that think the mass relays were left mostly intact--did you miss the scene of one that was like half gone?  Again, they forgot what they said in the game in the codex about a ruptured relay ruining terrestrial worlds in a system.  Put these endings again into context with the rest of the games and they still don't fit.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 27 juin 2012 - 12:09 .

[lunamoondragon]

I hope that they'll start to sell ME3 discs with the extended cut on the disc, or installable from a disc. While I was able to download it fine I know some people who don't have a wireless connection and will have to go through quite a bit of trouble to get the endings. They could just watch them on Youtube, but why not?

[jackygates]

I want to let Bioware know that I thought the extended Cut was great the ending I picked as cannon for my own Shepard was detailed more than before and the new videos were awesome and much needed I am happy to say thank you and you gave me the ending that was a good end to a wonderfully mastered game!

[Esoretal]

Just wanted to thanks the devs for the EC. Though ultimately I still cried (again... lol), I feel like I'm able to move on now. Less "What just happened?" and more "What's going to happen next?" More interesting questions posed now. Didn't get to reunite with my Shepard's LI, but I still have hope. You know... since the breath scene's still there.

And while I agree that these should have been in the base game, thank you for taking the time to do this for us. I for one feel much better.

[Merwanor]

Thank you Bioware for this, you saved the ME trilogy for me, I am now able to replay it without being haunted by the horrible ending. Now the ending is a good ending, not perfect, but more than acceptable. Had you released the game like this, I think you would have saved yourself a lot of trouble, remember this for next time you release a game that ends a trilogy, don't rush it.

So thank you for a great game, and the best game trilogy ever.

[Ang3l o Xn6]

The E.C finish the game for sure, it's 100 X times better than the First endings but the control, synthesis thing sucks, i would prefer win, killing those creepy reapers and get married with Liara.

[jgibson14352]

there has to be SOMEBODY other than me who refuses to see this as the end to shepards story, as just the most disappointing endings possible. they saw several paths to take this story that would have been far more entertaining and realistic, and went the opposite direction. this cant be the end, i refuse to be left on that cliff hanger of an ending that still refused to cover many major plot holes.
are there any other believers out there who still pray for a new dlc that cover shepard after the battle?

[DoomRaiden]

jgibson14352 wrote...

there has to be SOMEBODY other than me who refuses to see this as the end to shepards story, as just the most disappointing endings possible. they saw several paths to take this story that would have been far more entertaining and realistic, and went the opposite direction. this cant be the end, i refuse to be left on that cliff hanger of an ending that still refused to cover many major plot holes.
are there any other believers out there who still pray for a new dlc that cover shepard after the battle?

after seeing all 4 endings ... im not giving much hope at all for shepards story ... even if it does show him breathing, it doesnt seem to matter somehow coz ... its closure ... somehow  

[jgibson14352]

DoomRaiden wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

there has to be SOMEBODY other than me who refuses to see this as the end to shepards story, as just the most disappointing endings possible. they saw several paths to take this story that would have been far more entertaining and realistic, and went the opposite direction. this cant be the end, i refuse to be left on that cliff hanger of an ending that still refused to cover many major plot holes.
are there any other believers out there who still pray for a new dlc that cover shepard after the battle?

after seeing all 4 endings ... im not giving much hope at all for shepards story ... even if it does show him breathing, it doesnt seem to matter somehow coz ... its closure ... somehow  

i guess you could consider it closure in the grand scheme of the ME universe, but there was very little to 0 coverage of the characters of a character driven story. one of the many reasons i loved ME so much was all the different interactons you could have with so many characters who had so much depth, and so much to offer. and they tried to put that in a slide show.

Modifié par jgibson14352, 27 juin 2012 - 01:03 .

[Paladin1337]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Paladin1337 wrote...

Great job Bioware! You have restored my faith in your company! I love the refusal option, and I love the way you cleared up the destroy ending. And the way I see it, even though some don't see it my way, the breath scene IS explained! They think Shepard is dead and are putting up the name plate because they don't know, but he/she really just got blown to one of the arms of the citadel and actually lived! Why they fled the blastwave (maybe to save EDI?, but then EDI's name is still on the wall) is unknown. Unless they WERE trying to save EDI but just couldn't outrun it, which makes sense since they did take damage, thus killing EDI, which is a shame. Regardless...BRAVO! This is what I wanted, at least makes tons more sense.

how would they know the wave would kill EDI?

Remember: Nobody knew WHAT the Crucible would do.  Hackett ordered everyone to fall back, because, well, if anything can happen, you don't want that anything to be "Turn off all technology" when you're in a space ship in SPACE.  Much safer to run from the wave than to wait around.

Good point.  What you say makes sense, get away from whatever the crucible is about to do just in case it vaporizes everything or makes you like Justin Beiber music. 

Modifié par Paladin1337, 27 juin 2012 - 01:04 .

[DoomRaiden]

jgibson14352 wrote...

DoomRaiden wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

there has to be SOMEBODY other than me who refuses to see this as the end to shepards story, as just the most disappointing endings possible. they saw several paths to take this story that would have been far more entertaining and realistic, and went the opposite direction. this cant be the end, i refuse to be left on that cliff hanger of an ending that still refused to cover many major plot holes.
are there any other believers out there who still pray for a new dlc that cover shepard after the battle?

after seeing all 4 endings ... im not giving much hope at all for shepards story ... even if it does show him breathing, it doesnt seem to matter somehow coz ... its closure ... somehow  

i guess you could consider it closure in the grand scheme of the ME universe, but there was very little to 0 coverage of the characters of a character driven story. one of the many reasons i loved ME so much was all the different interactons you clould have with so many characters who had so much depth, and so much to offer. and they tried to put that in a slide show.

i know exactly what you mean ... i despised that little picture slideshow as closure ... my LI was Miranda ... and i was given a picture showing her looking up to the sky ... COME ON!!!

im all sad now

[3DandBeyond]

jgibson14352 wrote...

there has to be SOMEBODY other than me who refuses to see this as the end to shepards story, as just the most disappointing endings possible. they saw several paths to take this story that would have been far more entertaining and realistic, and went the opposite direction. this cant be the end, i refuse to be left on that cliff hanger of an ending that still refused to cover many major plot holes.
are there any other believers out there who still pray for a new dlc that cover shepard after the battle?

Yeah a lot of people had hoped for and even still hope there will be something to explain what happened afterward.  Some are almost begging even for paid DLC.  Most understood that Bioware wouldn't really fix the endings, being they were based on 3 flawed choices, but hoped they'd at least allow for one really good ending.  Didn't happen that way so who knows if anything is in the works.  I think at this point they have people that wanted a reunion or after story for Shepard, over a barrel.  People wanted the reunion so badly.

[3DandBeyond]

DoomRaiden wrote...

i know exactly what you mean ... i despised that little picture slideshow as closure ... my LI was Miranda ... and i was given a picture showing her looking up to the sky ... COME ON!!!

im all sad now

The slideshow was laughable if not for the fact they were serious about it.

Here's what I'd like...since ME3's ending "borrows" heavily from other games such borrowing is apparently allowable, maybe some really talented person or persons out there would create a real ending, borrowing things other than the ending from the ME games.  They need not call it ME3 and maybe they could change the character's names a bit to protect the innocent.  And by creating an ending, maybe animated in some way or expanded upon a little more than the great Marauder Shield's graphic novel on deviantart.  Maybe just illustrated endings complete with reunions with the other characters. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 27 juin 2012 - 01:11 .

[jgibson14352]

DoomRaiden wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

DoomRaiden wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

there has to be SOMEBODY other than me who refuses to see this as the end to shepards story, as just the most disappointing endings possible. they saw several paths to take this story that would have been far more entertaining and realistic, and went the opposite direction. this cant be the end, i refuse to be left on that cliff hanger of an ending that still refused to cover many major plot holes.
are there any other believers out there who still pray for a new dlc that cover shepard after the battle?

after seeing all 4 endings ... im not giving much hope at all for shepards story ... even if it does show him breathing, it doesnt seem to matter somehow coz ... its closure ... somehow  

i guess you could consider it closure in the grand scheme of the ME universe, but there was very little to 0 coverage of the characters of a character driven story. one of the many reasons i loved ME so much was all the different interactons you clould have with so many characters who had so much depth, and so much to offer. and they tried to put that in a slide show.

i know exactly what you mean ... i despised that little picture slideshow as closure ... my LI was Miranda ... and i was given a picture showing her looking up to the sky ... COME ON!!!

im all sad now

to be honest, thats almost better then being promised little blue children, then having that dream ripped away from shepard. remember the picture of the bioware devs holding up the fan created book of comments and suggestions on all the ME2 romances, and it had a caption that said "we are listening"? they clearly lied.

Modifié par jgibson14352, 27 juin 2012 - 01:08 .

[DoomRaiden]

i was REALLY hoping for bioware to pull a rabbit out of a hat and suprise me ... i was really hoping even the slideshow we were given had about 80% exact same as all the other endings ... so they did the same trick again ... and expect different results?

[jgibson14352]

DoomRaiden wrote...

i was REALLY hoping for bioware to pull a rabbit out of a hat and suprise me ... i was really hoping even the slideshow we were given had about 80% exact same as all the other endings ... so they did the same trick again ... and expect different results?

im tired of people saying they had so many more choices, no you didnt you had one extra choice that, while interesting and genuinely unique, was the most upsetting and unsatisfying of all the choices, with the work shepard did in ME1, ME2, and ME3 meaning nothing in the end.
i was a full believer in indoctrination theory, i had myself totally psyched for it, i thought there was simply no other option, and then BAM i end up more disappointed then i ever thought possible

[3DandBeyond]

jgibson14352 wrote...

to be honest, thats almost better then being promised little blue children, then having that dream ripped away from shepard. remember the picture of the bioware devs holding up the fan created book of comments and suggestions on all the ME2 romances, and it had a caption that said "we are listening"? they clearly lied.

Oh, I think they listened all right.  They just decided to poop on anyone that wanted a reunion/happy ending possibility and then pooped some more by "offering" that reject choice as it was.  The voice thing was cool, but even if it had to mean the reapers won (uh, no bonus possible better outcome with high EMS-I don't mean MP bumped EMS), then why not show something of them winning.  It just shows the beginning of the time capsule, doesn't reference Shepard in the time capsule, it doesn't get to that point-and correct me if I'm wrong, but Liara was sending out the time capsule before the return to Earth.  But in the time capsule she's saying they failed this cycle.  How did she know that?

The thing is all of us are playing the ending in the context of how it fits from TIM's place on-we are not now putting it in context with the rest of the games.  We are comparing it to the other (first) set of endings in 3 colors instead of looking at it with the same eyes that viewed the first, comparing it to the games before the endings.  This EC still doesn't fit, because it still forces ideas upon Shepard, conflicts that Shepard could never believe.  And even though Shepard now asks about them and can reject them, the consequence of doing that is just punishment with no possibility of any kind of alternate scenario.

Just what exactly does one have to do in this game to get a happier ending?  And don't give me that head cannon gasp ending and the LI holding the name plaque as something happier.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 27 juin 2012 - 01:27 .

[_aLucidMind_]

Just watched the EC; I'm still disappointed since the ending is still poor due to the fact that the "Synthetics vs Organics" plot was introduced in the final hour but it makes the endings bearable, I guess. BioWare still screwed themselves out of earning the priveledge of getting my money due to their misleading/false advertising pre-release and their disrespectful and spiteful PR campaign post-release. They won't get a dime until they change their habits AND start making DAO/ME1/ME2 quality games again.

I do have one question though, is it always Liara putting up the plaque on the memorial wall in the Normandy? Or is it whoever is your love interest?

Modifié par _aLucidMind_, 27 juin 2012 - 01:28 .

[jgibson14352]

3DandBeyond wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

to be honest, thats almost better then being promised little blue children, then having that dream ripped away from shepard. remember the picture of the bioware devs holding up the fan created book of comments and suggestions on all the ME2 romances, and it had a caption that said "we are listening"? they clearly lied.

Oh, I think they listened all right.  They just decided to poop on anyone that wanted a reunion/happy ending possibility and then pooped some more by "offering" that reject choice as it was.  The voice thing was cool, but even if it had to mean the reapers won (uh, no bonus possible better outcome with high EMS-I don't mean MP bumped EMS), then why not show something of them winning.  It just shows the beginning of the time capsule, doesn't reference Shepard in the time capsule, it doesn't get to that point-and correct me if I'm wrong, but Liara was sending out the time capsule before the return to Earth.  But in the time capsule she's saying they failed this cycle.  How did she know that?

the capsules were a failsafe, in case they were unable to stop the reapers. she created them with the thought that the only event they would ever be used is if their cycle was whiped out. shepard was simply one point in their history, it had nothing to do with the grand scheme of REAPERS OMG. 
i just cant, and refuse, to believe that a company as skilled and dedicated as bioware would ever do that to a game they loved as much as any of us. this simply CANNOT be it!

[3DandBeyond]

_aLucidMind_ wrote...

Just watched the EC; I'm still disappointed since the ending is still poor due to the fact that the "Synthetics vs Organics" plot was introduced in the final hour but it makes the endings bearable, I guess. BioWare still screwed themselves out of earning the priveledge of getting my money due to their misleading/false advertising pre-release and their disrespectful and spiteful PR campaign post-release. They won't get a dime until they change their habits AND start making DAO/ME1/ME2 quality games again.

I do have one question though, is it always Liara putting up the plaque on the memorial wall in the Normandy? Or is it whoever is your love interest?

Well, not sure, but it may only be your LI if your LI was a final teammate on the Normandy.  I don't think that would include Jack or Miranda, so maybe Liara steps in for them.  If so, that sucks.

[3DandBeyond]

jgibson14352 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

to be honest, thats almost better then being promised little blue children, then having that dream ripped away from shepard. remember the picture of the bioware devs holding up the fan created book of comments and suggestions on all the ME2 romances, and it had a caption that said "we are listening"? they clearly lied.

Oh, I think they listened all right.  They just decided to poop on anyone that wanted a reunion/happy ending possibility and then pooped some more by "offering" that reject choice as it was.  The voice thing was cool, but even if it had to mean the reapers won (uh, no bonus possible better outcome with high EMS-I don't mean MP bumped EMS), then why not show something of them winning.  It just shows the beginning of the time capsule, doesn't reference Shepard in the time capsule, it doesn't get to that point-and correct me if I'm wrong, but Liara was sending out the time capsule before the return to Earth.  But in the time capsule she's saying they failed this cycle.  How did she know that?

the capsules were a failsafe, in case they were unable to stop the reapers. she created them with the thought that the only event they would ever be used is if their cycle was whiped out. shepard was simply one point in their history, it had nothing to do with the grand scheme of REAPERS OMG. 
i just cant, and refuse, to believe that a company as skilled and dedicated as bioware would ever do that to a game they loved as much as any of us. this simply CANNOT be it!

Yeah, I guess you'd be right about that, but in the time capsule scene it just sounded like she was sending them out in case the reapers might win, so I always thought she was doing that right then.  I thought she was sending them out as they went to different worlds so they'd be dispersed. Otherwise, I don't know how they'd be dispersed all over the galaxy without a way to get out of a star system.   It just seemed odd to me.