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[Baramon]

Mixxer5 wrote...

It's 1.9 gb! It looks like true add-on

If you mean truly disappointing? Then, yes.

[jgibson14352]

Moebius Primus wrote...

@jgibson14352

Fair enough.
For me the EC was enough to maintain optimism in Bioware.
I would have preferred an awesome twist like the indoctrination theory but hey, it is ultimately THEIR story that they elaborated on for us (for free after release/purchase) and allowed us some meaningful input into across all 3 games.
It's poor form to come away from a PR event with negative feelings on the company though, that's counter to the purpose of the events in the first place, sorry to hear about that.

i dont hold anything against them, i know that i had the same odds at a game with them as anybody else, as well i should. but you cant help but feel some kind of animosity after cutting short a hard earned vacation to be ignored. i enjoyed Mass Effect so much that if given the same odds, id do it again.
any fan as hardcore as i am would feel irked given any circumstance, but i dont hate the company over it, quite the opposite, i still believe in them.
even though it goes against all odds, i STILL think indoctrination theory will make a comeback in a post-ending dlc, what else is shepards last breath supposed to mean, other than "this isnt over yet"

[Moebius Primus]

jgibson14352 wrote...

Moebius Primus wrote...

@jgibson14352

Fair enough.
For me the EC was enough to maintain optimism in Bioware.
I would have preferred an awesome twist like the indoctrination theory but hey, it is ultimately THEIR story that they elaborated on for us (for free after release/purchase) and allowed us some meaningful input into across all 3 games.
It's poor form to come away from a PR event with negative feelings on the company though, that's counter to the purpose of the events in the first place, sorry to hear about that.

i dont hold anything against them, i know that i had the same odds at a game with them as anybody else, as well i should. but you cant help but feel some kind of animosity after cutting short a hard earned vacation to be ignored. i enjoyed Mass Effect so much that if given the same odds, id do it again.
any fan as hardcore as i am would feel irked given any circumstance, but i dont hate the company over it, quite the opposite, i still believe in them.
even though it goes against all odds, i STILL think indoctrination theory will make a comeback in a post-ending dlc, what else is shepards last breath supposed to mean, other than "this isnt over yet"

Lets hope so, that'd be the ultimate outcome IMO.

[3DandBeyond]

The ending is still predicated on everything that stood in the previous version. It even is more Deus ex-like, just like later incarnations, Deus ex Human Revolution, in appearance.

I am actually a very positive person, but this game has knocked the positive right out of me. I loved this series and the characters in it, but in the end they don't matter because Bioware thought it was too much to reunite even Shepard with the LI. Jessica Merizan said on Twitter you could reunite, but is now back-pedaling that one and says it's implied. That is not what she said before.

Nothing really has changed except for window dressing-it's still the same crappy choices (that again we were told would play out to show the effect of all the choices made in ME1-3---listen to the podcast. We were supposed to see the impact of all of our choices.

We get goofy slideshows with glowing eyes, more Hackett than anything else, and more of the kid dispensing his psychotic wisdom. But, wow is that better. No, it's longer. It's more explanation of the same things-the explanations are even things we have all discussed as crazy possibilities-things that most said didn't matter because the kid is saying them. So what if his explanations explain his motives--they never mattered because he's still calling the shots.

I think it's still bonkers to make one of these choices. I find Control hilarious because it shows reapers doing clean up work. I'm sorry but they still have people goo in them-did they suddenly stop needing people goo? And if they'd nearly wiped out my planet, I don't want them to exist any more, but in order to make that happen, I still have to commit genocide. So, what has changed? Synthesis is as stupid as it ever was. Dress it up however you like, it's still deciding for everyone else what they will be, what will happen to their bodies-it's molestation. The kid says synthetics seek perfection through understanding and organics seek it through technology and that is BS.

[Michael Gamble]

Moebius Primus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Moebius Primus wrote...

 Thanks Bioware!

This EC is greatly appreciated and WAS necessary, since your original ending was too vague/abrupt in relation to how invested the players were in your story (especially if all 3 were played through).
I was hoping that the indoctrination theory could have been adopted, but this was great anyway and i am pleased you met the call from the fans and did so free-of-charge.

Kudos.

P.S. still luvin the multiplayer and love the ongoing work there too.

its cute how you think bioware listens. i want nothing more than to be proven wrong, but so far all theyve done is contradict themselves and ignore the fans

Actually i'm under no illusions that Bioware will read MY forum post in particular, It's really for the communities benefit. I'm simply adding my inconsequential weight to the positive side since forums are notoriously negative. 
Thanks for reminding me of that by the way ; p

I read your post. 

[Heather Cline]

I hated the EC and it was just as bad if not worse than the original Ending. Oh sure we got a few more dialogue options and a few more cutscenes but that was it. No reuniting with LI and crew, no epilogue for Shepard and LI. No multiple endings based on your choices throughout all 3 games. In fact there was no multiple endings at all again.

Yes the EC gave more cutscenes but if you were to play through ME1, ME2 and then ME3 again and then chose destroy again with making wildly different decisions throughout all 3 games you still would end up with the same cutscenes and Hackett speaking at the end.

The same would happen for control and for synthesis with their respective cutscenes and dialogue.

Frankly again the so called 'happy ending' that they spoke of if you chose destroy and the so called 'other endings' you could get if you chose differently throughout all 3 games and then chose one of the 3 options not including rejection still will play out the same no matter what.

This is complete garbage. This is my opinion. I refuse to buy any Bioware games, I refuse to buy any DLC and I refuse to play their MP anymore since the EC is just as bad as the original endings.

Bioware you were warned you would ****** off a lot of fans if you went this route but you didn't listen. So well kudos to you, you have angered your fanbase even more.

I hope you are happy you lost me as a customer and more soon.

[jgibson14352]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The ending is still predicated on everything that stood in the previous version. It even is more Deus ex-like, just like later incarnations, Deus ex Human Revolution, in appearance.

I am actually a very positive person, but this game has knocked the positive right out of me. I loved this series and the characters in it, but in the end they don't matter because Bioware thought it was too much to reunite even Shepard with the LI. Jessica Merizan said on Twitter you could reunite, but is now back-pedaling that one and says it's implied. That is not what she said before.

Nothing really has changed except for window dressing-it's still the same crappy choices (that again we were told would play out to show the effect of all the choices made in ME1-3---listen to the podcast. We were supposed to see the impact of all of our choices.

We get goofy slideshows with glowing eyes, more Hackett than anything else, and more of the kid dispensing his psychotic wisdom. But, wow is that better. No, it's longer. It's more explanation of the same things-the explanations are even things we have all discussed as crazy possibilities-things that most said didn't matter because the kid is saying them. So what if his explanations explain his motives--they never mattered because he's still calling the shots.

I think it's still bonkers to make one of these choices. I find Control hilarious because it shows reapers doing clean up work. I'm sorry but they still have people goo in them-did they suddenly stop needing people goo? And if they'd nearly wiped out my planet, I don't want them to exist any more, but in order to make that happen, I still have to commit genocide. So, what has changed? Synthesis is as stupid as it ever was. Dress it up however you like, it's still deciding for everyone else what they will be, what will happen to their bodies-it's molestation. The kid says synthetics seek perfection through understanding and organics seek it through technology and that is BS.

i understand and agree with almost every facet of your argument, but one thing most people seem to say is that destroying the reapers is just as bad as the other endings, thats its genocide and whiping them out would be wrong, etc. the reapers represent the same twisted, yet obviously morally flawed views that cant be reasoned with, in this circumstance they simply cant be allowed to live, the same way the global community understood that the **** government couldnt be allowed to stand after WW2.

[jgibson14352]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Moebius Primus wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

Moebius Primus wrote...

 Thanks Bioware!

This EC is greatly appreciated and WAS necessary, since your original ending was too vague/abrupt in relation to how invested the players were in your story (especially if all 3 were played through).
I was hoping that the indoctrination theory could have been adopted, but this was great anyway and i am pleased you met the call from the fans and did so free-of-charge.

Kudos.

P.S. still luvin the multiplayer and love the ongoing work there too.

its cute how you think bioware listens. i want nothing more than to be proven wrong, but so far all theyve done is contradict themselves and ignore the fans

Actually i'm under no illusions that Bioware will read MY forum post in particular, It's really for the communities benefit. I'm simply adding my inconsequential weight to the positive side since forums are notoriously negative. 
Thanks for reminding me of that by the way ; p

I read your post. 

...........I..............stand corrected in the best way.........

[Michael Gamble]

Yes the EC gave more cutscenes but if you were to play through ME1, ME2 and then ME3 again and then chose destroy again with making wildly different decisions throughout all 3 games you still would end up with the same cutscenes and Hackett speaking at the end.

NO, you would not. Which squad members show up, the state of the Genophage and Geth/Quarian conflicts. Whether or not Wrex/Wreave/Eve is alive or dead. Those are all reflected in the Epilogue. That is WITHOUT a consideration to EMS (which changes things as well).

[Heather Cline]

by genocide gibson, the dandbeyond meant wiping out the geth and also killing edi. that is what dandbeyond meant by genocide. So either way no matter what ending you chose you still got screwed in the end.

[Ansa2791]

i not disappointing about the extended cut because i had low expectation ( Artistic integrity). the ending exactly what i expected . it explain some plot holes like how your companion get back to the normady and why habinger left the scene. I liked that your get a better explanation of the ending and some explanation of the catalyst, reaper,and crucible. I love how you can't reject the catalyst that gave i great satisfaction because Sheperd stay to his moral and trough his sacrifice the next cycle won the war. the little epilogue on the all the endings was better. i want thank bioware for a improvement.

However this still not the ending that a great game like mass effect deserved. it definitive could be better for a 2 GB download. My biggest problem with the ending is that you still don't know what happen to squad mates after the ending (why couldn't like the epilogue of dragon age origins where tell what happen to companion). the other problems is that your decisions of past games didn't matter other than a number on you war assets. It still left to many unanswered questions what happen to the people in citadel ( the were a lot of people not to mention important people of each races) what happen to rachni? why were the reaper made a human reaper ( why humans). What was the point of the Halestorm mission if didn't connect to the game and some other.

my faith in Bioware is not restored but it not i hope they learn from they mistakes and not listen to EA on dragon age 3 or mass effect 4

[3DandBeyond]

The game was about the characters, primarily. It was a story about redemption by example in many cases. Think of some recurring thoughts throughout--From the Ashes, Phoenix, and even redemption the graphic novel.

This so clearly abandoned the heart of the game, that meaningful character interaction, that it just hurts.

Yes, it was a story about great big foes too, but they are kind of gone if not forgotten at the end while the star brat takes the stage. And then the hero is left out of it as Hackett takes over. And for a final insult, the person we all were meant to care about the most, our avatar is mostly dead or a one gasp torso. Really? The game had meaning. Misfits redeemed their misspent lives because of one person who at the end is not even given the respect of a squashed bug. At least that gets picked up off the floor.

We loved these games and the people we interacted with-it was fiction, of course but you gave them a life and we cared about them. Not Hackett and not that kid. But, yeah you decided we had to live with the kid who was never the nightmare monster. Why, though did we have to live with only one possible chance at a life, finally after all the sacrifice, but only if we commit genocide?

Shepard said, you do not condemn a race to extinction based upon what might happen, but in order for Shepard to finally have the possibility of a life, we have to do just that. And yet even that is so unsatisfying. Demoralized and just sad. I wanted a story with a real ending of happiness for the one who always sacrificed the most-but that person wasn't important enough for the devs to pick up off the ground.

[Heather Cline]

Mister Gamble really? Where is the happy ending that was said we could get if we had high enough war assets and EMS? The one where Shepard if she/he chose destroy got to survive and meet up with LI and crew? Not present. I had 80% galactic readiness when I did the EC. I had 6300 EMS and 7300 total war assets. I didn't get my happy ending even after sacrificing the geth and edi. I got screwed with the whole breath scene again.

We still had to listen to the Reaper Representative/AI child spew his circular logic and we couldn't choose anything but destory, synthesis, or control. Rejection was just the continuation of the cycle, the death of Shepard and the death of every single person you fought for.

Destroy was the best option out of the worst situation possible and even with the highest EMS and a high galactic readiness the ending scene still sucked.

Again I will state this polish a turd it's still a turd.

[3DandBeyond]

Michael Gamble wrote...

Yes the EC gave more cutscenes but if you were to play through ME1, ME2 and then ME3 again and then chose destroy again with making wildly different decisions throughout all 3 games you still would end up with the same cutscenes and Hackett speaking at the end.

NO, you would not. Which squad members show up, the state of the Genophage and Geth/Quarian conflicts. Whether or not Wrex/Wreave/Eve is alive or dead. Those are all reflected in the Epilogue. That is WITHOUT a consideration to EMS (which changes things as well).

But they fundamentally don't change a thing-different faces, same outcome.  The geth/quarian conflict should at least have been a salient point for debating the folly of the star kid's assertions rendering moot the need for the reaper solution.  The created/creator thing is debunked by the reunion of the geth/quarians-in mine they even fight together for a common cause.  What may or may not happen in the future is not of consequence to a Shepard of the present.  The need to choose at all is rendered moot because current actions and the ability to find better solutions exist.

For the record, I want to say I so appreciate the opportunity to address you directly.  My dislike for the endings (sorry it is that) is due to what I see as a sharp contrast with what I loved about ME.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 27 juin 2012 - 04:08 .

[jgibson14352]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The game was about the characters, primarily. It was a story about redemption by example in many cases. Think of some recurring thoughts throughout--From the Ashes, Phoenix, and even redemption the graphic novel.

This so clearly abandoned the heart of the game, that meaningful character interaction, that it just hurts.

Yes, it was a story about great big foes too, but they are kind of gone if not forgotten at the end while the star brat takes the stage. And then the hero is left out of it as Hackett takes over. And for a final insult, the person we all were meant to care about the most, our avatar is mostly dead or a one gasp torso. Really? The game had meaning. Misfits redeemed their misspent lives because of one person who at the end is not even given the respect of a squashed bug. At least that gets picked up off the floor.

We loved these games and the people we interacted with-it was fiction, of course but you gave them a life and we cared about them. Not Hackett and not that kid. But, yeah you decided we had to live with the kid who was never the nightmare monster. Why, though did we have to live with only one possible chance at a life, finally after all the sacrifice, but only if we commit genocide?

Shepard said, you do not condemn a race to extinction based upon what might happen, but in order for Shepard to finally have the possibility of a life, we have to do just that. And yet even that is so unsatisfying. Demoralized and just sad. I wanted a story with a real ending of happiness for the one who always sacrificed the most-but that person wasn't important enough for the devs to pick up off the ground.

thats true, i hadnt considered that mentality in terms of the genocide, and if Mr. Gamble is still reading these posts, the theme that countinues to be reiterated throughout all these criticisms is the lack of closure for the individual characters we cared most about. the EC did a good job of wrapping up and inspiring hope for the galaxy as a whole, with only slides for some of the characters we wanted to have the most closure with

[Heather Cline]

dandbeyond said it. The different faces for the cutscenes still doesn't change the outcome of the epilogue/epilogues for the 3 choices. That is my point right there but dandbeyond stated it better than i did.

We still couldn't tell the AI child/Reaper Representative that it was wrong that it's so called reaper solution was debunked entirely by the Quarian/Geth co-habitation of Rannoch and working together if you sought that route.

Frankly the EC is garbage.

Now I'm off to bed I've said my piece and I believe that Bioware no longer cares about those who actually supported them up to this point their fans. So though I'll hang around the forums and site because of my friends, I'm done with the company Bioware itself.

I do hope your company is happy Mister Gamble because I do believe more people will with hold the wallet from here on out and find better companies to invest their money in.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 27 juin 2012 - 04:13 .

[Topher1127]

I liked it, thanks bioware! Answered my questions but I STILL WANT MORE MASS EFFECT!

[Alamandorious]

Well. I remember when I finished ME3 the first time, how hollow and empty I felt...I literally spent days doing nothing else but playing it, only to have what I'd consider an extreme rushed, poor ending at best as a conclusion to an epic series.

I can see there's still a lot of negativity here, and you won't be able to please everybody...I can understand that. Personally, my opinion is...

I loved it. I love the extended cut. I love the epilogue, I love the explaination, I love how each choice now feels different, even the new fourth choice of continuing the cycle, of having the Reapers be able to win -like we were promised-. Heck, the sequence with Liara's VI was similar to an idea I posted when we were all asked for input, so even if it wasn't inspired by my post, I'm just going to imagine it was ^^

The extended cut is exactly what I needed to see. Even the people that don't like the extended cut can at least agree that Bioware listened to within the confines of what they were able to do. With the epilogue sequences, we can now have the multiple and varied endings we were promised. Everything feels -complete-, and all the emotions I had during the game itself came rushing back.

I am now firmly in the 'I love Bioware' camp once more. Mr. Gamble, Mr. Hudson, as far as I -personally- am concerned, you guys did right by your paying customers, by the fans. I haven't felt this good about a game company since the mid-90's to very early 2000's.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with next.

To anyone that may be looking at this thread before they try the extended cut, try it for yourselves no matter what. I found it to be exactly what I wanted.

[saracen16]

I liked the original endings, to be honest. I liked the fact that we had a lot of room to speculate and discuss as to what the universe, this living and breathing universe, will be like years in the future after we leave our mark on it. But with the EC? I love it even more... and I was moved into even more tears than I thought I would, especially with the Synthesis ending. I've never seen a more powerful ending in a video game. EVER. It even surpasses ME1's ending, and is up there with the greats such as Deus Ex, its sequel, and prequel (i.e. endings, that is, not the games themselves).

Mass Effect is the best trilogy of all time.

Thank you, BioWare! :')

[3DandBeyond]

Heather Cline wrote...

by genocide gibson, the dandbeyond meant wiping out the geth and also killing edi. that is what dandbeyond meant by genocide. So either way no matter what ending you chose you still got screwed in the end.

Yes, exactly.  Legion proved to my Shepard the value of a geth soul-he gave it meaning and my Shepard, not THE Shepard, my Shepard helped him achieve that.  In London, in one of the most poignant scenes, EDI tells my Shepard that Joker set her free, but only with Shepard's influence did she feel alive.  But in order for Shepard to live (the only chance to live), Shepard must smash her face into the pavement, and murder the geth.  They were all like children just given new life and genocide was their reward and Shepard's.

Some say that Shepard dying was the only mature bittersweet thing to have happen, but really hadn't Shepard continually sacrificed enough?  Shepard had to force people to fight for themselves and Shepard never had a real life or chance at one.  So, yes, Shepard should now have to die or give up everything.  Why not?  In fact, the galaxy is in a shambles-Earth, Palaven, Thessia-they need a hero in the aftermath as much as they did in fighting the reapers, but a dead Shepard is so much better.

[jgibson14352]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Heather Cline wrote...

by genocide gibson, the dandbeyond meant wiping out the geth and also killing edi. that is what dandbeyond meant by genocide. So either way no matter what ending you chose you still got screwed in the end.

Yes, exactly.  Legion proved to my Shepard the value of a geth soul-he gave it meaning and my Shepard, not THE Shepard, my Shepard helped him achieve that.  In London, in one of the most poignant scenes, EDI tells my Shepard that Joker set her free, but only with Shepard's influence did she feel alive.  But in order for Shepard to live (the only chance to live), Shepard must smash her face into the pavement, and murder the geth.  They were all like children just given new life and genocide was their reward and Shepard's.

Some say that Shepard dying was the only mature bittersweet thing to have happen, but really hadn't Shepard continually sacrificed enough?  Shepard had to force people to fight for themselves and Shepard never had a real life or chance at one.  So, yes, Shepard should now have to die or give up everything.  Why not?  In fact, the galaxy is in a shambles-Earth, Palaven, Thessia-they need a hero in the aftermath as much as they did in fighting the reapers, but a dead Shepard is so much better.

i feel pretty stupid now that i see what i was totally ignoring, thanks, i retract that post.

[Star Eagle]

Its better but not great. The end of mass 1 was absolutely the best. I just wish it was more like me 1.

[BearlyHere]

DoomRaiden wrote...

jgibson14352 wrote...

there has to be SOMEBODY other than me who refuses to see this as the end to shepards story, as just the most disappointing endings possible. they saw several paths to take this story that would have been far more entertaining and realistic, and went the opposite direction. this cant be the end, i refuse to be left on that cliff hanger of an ending that still refused to cover many major plot holes.
are there any other believers out there who still pray for a new dlc that cover shepard after the battle?

after seeing all 4 endings ... im not giving much hope at all for shepards story ... even if it does show him breathing, it doesnt seem to matter somehow coz ... its closure ... somehow  

That was my thought too. What was the point of that stupid breath easter egg if there was no way Shepard was going to survive? And really, seriously, did they really think that abysmal ending the game came with was going to resolve the game for 90% of the players? This leads me to believe that they didn't beta test the ending, or I don't see how they couldn't have gotten a loud "WTF" from the players.

Yeah, now it makes sense, and this should be a lesson that just because you guys knew what the ABC endings meant, it doesn't follow  that the rest of us would be able to read your minds. And the more I think about it, that gasp, which now is clearly his/her last breath, was a sick joke. I'm reminded of a snotty teenager who flips you off with one hand while putting his hand out for money with the other. At least that obnoxious "buy more DLC to play the further adventures of your dead character" is gone.

Which I will not be doing. I'm done with Commander Space Jesus.

[Wesker1984]

Bioware do not listen to all the haters the new extended endings are very well done and very good! I hated the original endings but now i love all of them but my personal favorites are the control and synthesis endings.

I've now regained faith in all of you and i'm eager to see the future of the Mass Effect series. My dream is to see a Mass Effect 4 being made!

From a devoted and hardcore fan thank you Bioware for the new endings!

[SRNORMAND3]

 Bioware,


First i want to tell you that i enjoyed the mass effect series tremendously! also how all the game content and side missions all come together and how it means so much as a whole. I am a huge believer in bioware in studies for gaming career now, But how the end of the game was so abrupt was startling, it left me with so many doubts and questions as a whole. All the decisions i made to get to that point and all the sacrifices i made as a whole were suppose to mean something. Then a month or 2 passes and we get the extended cut great! Fingers crossed for indoctrination theory! That would have been the greatest twist in gaming history! it all pointed in that direction. The way the eyes glowed with the blue just pointed to indoctrination. Instead u put a bandaid over a bullet hole and said it will be fine, it would have been good if we got the extended cut when we bought the game. Now your chasing good money after bad money why? you always said this would be the end of shepards story, but how when he takes a breath at the end of the game when you destroy the reapers? Also if this isnt the end of the mass effect universe how will you make a game after this you would have to make 3 diffrent games for every one person to fit the decisions that they made at the end of the game! you would have to make one for destroy then for synthesis then for control because every outcome is diffrent the people are diffrent shepard would either live on in the reapers to control or die and everyone would be half machine or shepard takes a breath there either has to be something your not saying, or writing just went out the window cause you didnt know how to end it! i have faith in you bioware it isnt completely gone yet but you would have to tred lightly i dont see how your going to come out of this one especially me knowing how great as a whole your mass effect series is 99.8 percent was great! Also thanks for making an atepmt to fix this tragedy! I dont think anyone in the gameing industry would have done this for there fans and the amount of money you must have spent just to give this to your fans is greatly appreciated especially in the hard times where in! I would have just liked to have seen shepard make little blue babies or end up with ashley because he deserves it especially after saving the univers you know the little bar in Rio they were suppose to meet at that would have been great to see a cut scene of them on a beach somewhere or even in the house that you get for completing the objectives in mass effect 1 i dunno im ranting to this i will say farewell and i hope there is more in store for us fans because this is one of the greates games i have ever played!!

your Fan, 
Joel:happy: