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[Thanatos144]

KiganMatsuei wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

KiganMatsuei wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

I liked the original ending so this one was more of a pleasant expansion.....I like the explanations cause they are as I always knew them to be so there wasn't any surprises in that part. The battle scenes were cool and I dont remember Hacket saying correctly they we couldn't beat the reapers conventionally before. This will be a good ending for those who didn't understand the endings and those who did but wanted more closure.....But for the extreme haters they will still hate. It is all they know. Most likely they didn't even play the game.

Making such crude generalizations about those unwilling to overlook the remaining plot holes and such doesn't make their concerns any less valid.

There are no plot holes. There are only your misunderstanding that this was not your story to tell but Biowares.

If believing that makes you feel better.

If the only way to keep Shepard as he was is to cause the extinction of the entire current galactic civilization suits you, be my guest.

But remember, they set this game up so we would choose how the story unfolded. This is not Final Fantasy or other such games, where the story is set in stone no matter how many times you play.

I am going to guess you didnt understand any of the games then if you came to this conclusion.

[BalianOfIbelin]

I think plot holes probably can be found, but most were covered by leaps of faith. However, this should not be appalling considering the entire series is a leap of faith: FTL travel, finding alien ruins on Mars, Charon actually being an ancient alien form of instantaneous transportation: we took so many leaps of faith to start this series that we can't be upset taking them now. It does not mean we have to like the endings, the way they are presented, or their content (I remain disappointed), but plot holes can be small details that are relatively insignificant given the scope of the events that transpire.

I wrote my own ending to cope with my disappointment, you can check it out if you like:
http://social.biowar.../index/11739343

Modifié par BalianOfIbelin, 27 juin 2012 - 01:23 .

[blueumi]

they fixed it really well it's still the same ending it just makes sense and no longer makes me confused and angry because now Kaidan cares that fem shep is gone.

I hope people will be fine with the way the game ends now so that we can all move on from this and enjoy all the new content they will put out

[Voodoo2015]

blueumi wrote...

they fixed it really well it's still the same ending it just makes sense and no longer makes me confused and angry because now Kaidan cares that fem shep is gone.

I hope people will be fine with the way the game ends now so that we can all move on from this and enjoy all the new content they will put out

Only if it's for free. Only if it's for free. Mass Effect is over it ended with Shepards death.

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo2015 wrote...

blueumi wrote...

they fixed it really well it's still the same ending it just makes sense and no longer makes me confused and angry because now Kaidan cares that fem shep is gone.

I hope people will be fine with the way the game ends now so that we can all move on from this and enjoy all the new content they will put out

Only if it's for free. Only if it's for free. Mass Effect is over it ended with Shepards death.

Proof that some will never be happy.

[Alx_83]

You know the feeling of satisfaction, I have it right now. Thanks for the conclusion! The endings really feels much better then the previous ones.

Thanks Bioware!

[Omeganian]

Hoe come in the Destruction ending there is no sign of Joker being sad?

[HunterCZ]

Thank you Bioware for this extended cut. It makes WAY MORE sense than before and I do like it. All those endingd and great new endind. It surprised me and I had to smile It was awesome.

Just one question remains. From where Reapers came? Who built them?

Anyway thank you

[3DandBeyond]

Thanatos144 wrote...

KiganMatsuei wrote...

If believing that makes you feel better.

If the only way to keep Shepard as he was is to cause the extinction of the entire current galactic civilization suits you, be my guest.

But remember, they set this game up so we would choose how the story unfolded. This is not Final Fantasy or other such games, where the story is set in stone no matter how many times you play.

I am going to guess you didnt understand any of the games then if you came to this conclusion.

Thanatos is back bullying people again.  Thanatos, you have repeatedly indicated a lack of knowledge about the games.  If you had played them and remembered things in them you would know that the star kid was not foreshadowed anywhere.  It's been repeated over and over again, but you continue to attempt to bully others and cast your own limitations upon them.  You have never addressed your own misunderstandings of the game.  Time and again people pointed out that the kid or his kind is not addressed in any memorable way within the 3 games, but then shows up to try and steal the show at the end.  That still exists. 

The choices are not explained as you've always seen them-in fact, you often totally contradicted your own views of what they meant.  The choices still stand as artificially inserted things used to funnel many different choices into 3 abhorrent options.  Fundamentally they are the same as they have always been.  They only sound prettier.  And yet, they are offered by an even crazier star kid and now people think they make more sense in some equally crazy way.  This even though most felt that no amount of explanation would make them make sense-and they still don't.  They are still based on flawed logic and extra flawed logic.

The Normandy picking up people in front of Harbinger is one of the biggest laughs that this game has ever had.  Yes, that makes real sense.  But it was inserted to explain the inexplicable.  As was Hackett telling everyone to get out of there and Hackett getting information that Shepard was on the Citadel.  Uh, how's that known? 

Then reject, the greatest corruption of what people wanted of all time.  Oh, but people wanted it...  No, they didn't want this, not in this way.

And while we're at it, I do not know how someone anyone, you or others can take such pleasure in people being unhappy in not getting something pleasant at the end of what you have said before, "is just a game".  As a game, there should be a true win possibility.  You don't think people should get this basically because you don't like the people that want it.  Well, here's the difference between you and I.  If you had wanted a happier ending as a possibility, I don't like you, but I'd still hope you got it.  Because there's never anything wrong with wishing for things to be a little happier in this world and this life, games included.  Entertainment should be fun and games should stick with their own winning formulae.  And they should keep the promises made within earlier games in the series, the main one being that the hero matters above all else.  Shepard in the destroy ending is treated like a pile of garbage, and in the others is just expendable meat.  So, Thanny, you are right, s/he is a myth and IMO is no legend.

[jgibson14352]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

blueumi wrote...

they fixed it really well it's still the same ending it just makes sense and no longer makes me confused and angry because now Kaidan cares that fem shep is gone.

I hope people will be fine with the way the game ends now so that we can all move on from this and enjoy all the new content they will put out

Only if it's for free. Only if it's for free. Mass Effect is over it ended with Shepards death.

Proof that some will never be happy.

Thanatos, this is the third forum ive been involved in where you show up and immediatly everybody goes off topic to argue with you over stuff thats completely irrevelant to the post. have you ever been involved in a discussion where you HAVENT gotten into a character argument with someone else?

if you want to stop ALL of this, its really simple, just do what almost everybody else here does and post your opinion and DO NOT engage anyone else. dont call names, dont even pretend other people exist. JUST YOUR OPINION that DOES NOT involve another living being. every opinion you post is legitimate, and youre entitled to that, but you immediatly destroy your own credibility when you revert to name calling in ANY circumstance.

the only reason im posting this is to do SOMETHING to try to stop this bull****. dont even try to call me names or argue with me, im flat out ignoring you after this post, and if the conversation goes off topic ill flood the page with relevent questions and comments to try to steer everybody back on course.

Modifié par jgibson14352, 27 juin 2012 - 01:57 .

[Spectre Piatch]

What I don't get is the breathing Shep.
I mean, if she's alive and this is an EC, why not show how she's been picked up by her crew?

I felt better with these endings, but the only thing I don't want atm is more speculation.
If there will by an Expansion Pack or ME4, they should say it. Otherwise, they should've let that scene aside or show the ending named "happy"..

Really, this is the one thing that really bugs me oO
Dafuq happens to Shep?

[Thanatos144]

Okay to you haters.....If you want to just post crap without challenge or debate why are you in a forum? I dont think you do yourselves any good by constantly trying to silence those who enjoyed the game. OR silence those who ask you tough questions or call out your misrepresentations.

[Thanatos144]

Spectre Piatch wrote...

What I don't get is the breathing Shep.
I mean, if she's alive and this is an EC, why not show how she's been picked up by her crew?

I felt better with these endings, but the only thing I don't want atm is more speculation.
If there will by an Expansion Pack or ME4, they should say it. Otherwise, they should've let that scene aside or show the ending named "happy"..

Really, this is the one thing that really bugs me oO
Dafuq happens to Shep?

I persoanly believe they are smart in doing this......We dont actually know who it is that takes the breath. I like this persoanly. I can understand your point as well and am not knocking it.

[Voodoo2015]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

blueumi wrote...

they fixed it really well it's still the same ending it just makes sense and no longer makes me confused and angry because now Kaidan cares that fem shep is gone.

I hope people will be fine with the way the game ends now so that we can all move on from this and enjoy all the new content they will put out

Only if it's for free. Only if it's for free. Mass Effect is over it ended with Shepards death.

Proof that some will never be happy.

I'm glad that you are hapy!

They made the endings better, not great but better. I can live with that. But I will not buy anything else for ME series now that Shepard which we played as in the game of the last 5 years is dead. 

So I see no reason to keep playing more of the ME series. And why should I pay for it? When it's EA who owns BW

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

blueumi wrote...

they fixed it really well it's still the same ending it just makes sense and no longer makes me confused and angry because now Kaidan cares that fem shep is gone.

I hope people will be fine with the way the game ends now so that we can all move on from this and enjoy all the new content they will put out

Only if it's for free. Only if it's for free. Mass Effect is over it ended with Shepards death.

Proof that some will never be happy.

I'm glad that you are hapy!

They made the endings better, not great but better. I can live with that. But I will not buy anything else for ME series now that Shepard which we played as in the game of the last 5 years is dead. 

So I see no reason to keep playing more of the ME series. And why should I pay for it? When it's EA who owns BW

I am of the mind they didnt need to make this extended cut....But it is their game and since it was more enjoyable I am not knocking it. You
dont always get what you want.


Keep screwing up the quote thingy LOL

Modifié par Thanatos144, 27 juin 2012 - 02:08 .

[Voodoo2015]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Okay to you haters.....If you want to just post crap without challenge or debate why are you in a forum? I dont think you do yourselves any good by constantly trying to silence those who enjoyed the game. OR silence those who ask you tough questions or call out your misrepresentations.

Because we have other things to do. As you are entitled to your opinion, so have we.
And have a hobby to annoy people must be tough!

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 27 juin 2012 - 02:10 .

[Voodoo2015]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

blueumi wrote...

they fixed it really well it's still the same ending it just makes sense and no longer makes me confused and angry because now Kaidan cares that fem shep is gone.

I hope people will be fine with the way the game ends now so that we can all move on from this and enjoy all the new content they will put out

Only if it's for free. Only if it's for free. Mass Effect is over it ended with Shepards death.

Proof that some will never be happy.

I'm glad that you are hapy!

They made the endings better, not great but better. I can live with that. But I will not buy anything else for ME series now that Shepard which we played as in the game of the last 5 years is dead. 

So I see no reason to keep playing more of the ME series. And why should I pay for it? When it's EA who owns BW

I am of the mind they didnt need to make this extended cut....But it is their game and since it was more enjoyable I am not knocking it. You
dont always get what you want.


Keep screwing up the quote thingy LOL

whatever!

And one more thing. You should never be 100% satisfied, for then you get stuck in life.

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 27 juin 2012 - 02:13 .

[Spectre Piatch]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Spectre Piatch wrote...

What I don't get is the breathing Shep.
I mean, if she's alive and this is an EC, why not show how she's been picked up by her crew?

I felt better with these endings, but the only thing I don't want atm is more speculation.
If there will by an Expansion Pack or ME4, they should say it. Otherwise, they should've let that scene aside or show the ending named "happy"..

Really, this is the one thing that really bugs me oO
Dafuq happens to Shep?

I persoanly believe they are smart in doing this......We dont actually know who it is that takes the breath. I like this persoanly. I can understand your point as well and am not knocking it.

And it wasn't meant as a complaint, just that it makes me a bit restless, you know?
I don't want to be considered a hater or someone who is never happy with what given, but.. when they even went through the work of making an EC, why not show the happy family? Because it would not fit into that general feeling of the game? Just asking, it really confuses me and I would be very willing to nod to a good explanation.

Also, I'm still the naiv person hoping for an EP or more, I admit it  Not with Shep in the main role, but some Scenes showing her as human council member, haha.. I'm a sucker for the 'hero surviving' and I tell you why:
Imho, she just deserves it!

Modifié par Spectre Piatch, 27 juin 2012 - 02:13 .

[Thanatos144]

Spectre Piatch wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Spectre Piatch wrote...

What I don't get is the breathing Shep.
I mean, if she's alive and this is an EC, why not show how she's been picked up by her crew?

I felt better with these endings, but the only thing I don't want atm is more speculation.
If there will by an Expansion Pack or ME4, they should say it. Otherwise, they should've let that scene aside or show the ending named "happy"..

Really, this is the one thing that really bugs me oO
Dafuq happens to Shep?

I persoanly believe they are smart in doing this......We dont actually know who it is that takes the breath. I like this persoanly. I can understand your point as well and am not knocking it.

And it wasn't meant as a complaint, just that it makes me a bit restless, you know?
I don't want to be considered a hater or someone who is never happy with what given, but.. when they even went through the work of making an EC, why not show the happy family? Because it would not fit into that general feeling of the game? Just asking, it really confuses me and I would be very willing to nod to a good explanation.

Also, I'm still the naiv person hoping for an EP or more, I admit it  Not with Shep in the main role, but some Scenes showing her as human council member, haha.. I'm a sucker for the 'hero surviving' and I tell you why:
Imho, she just deserves it!

Thats fine....I think all the endings are happy endings cause the reapers lose. But I understand why they didnt want Shepard to survive and thats cause they know if she/he does live people will demand shepard be in the next installment.

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

blueumi wrote...

they fixed it really well it's still the same ending it just makes sense and no longer makes me confused and angry because now Kaidan cares that fem shep is gone.

I hope people will be fine with the way the game ends now so that we can all move on from this and enjoy all the new content they will put out

Only if it's for free. Only if it's for free. Mass Effect is over it ended with Shepards death.

Proof that some will never be happy.

I'm glad that you are hapy!

They made the endings better, not great but better. I can live with that. But I will not buy anything else for ME series now that Shepard which we played as in the game of the last 5 years is dead. 

So I see no reason to keep playing more of the ME series. And why should I pay for it? When it's EA who owns BW

I am of the mind they didnt need to make this extended cut....But it is their game and since it was more enjoyable I am not knocking it. You
dont always get what you want.


Keep screwing up the quote thingy LOL

whatever!

And one more thing. You should never be 100% satisfied, for then you get stuck in life.

Sorry but am not going through life always angry.  By the way no one is EVER 100% satisfied. Not even my wife.

[Voodoo2015]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...


whatever!

And one more thing. You should never be 100% satisfied, for then you get stuck in life.

Sorry but am not going through life always angry.  By the way no one is EVER 100% satisfied. Not even my wife.

Too easy :-) No not angry, life is too short to be angry.

[Spectre Piatch]

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...


whatever!

And one more thing. You should never be 100% satisfied, for then you get stuck in life.

Sorry but am not going through life always angry.  By the way no one is EVER 100% satisfied. Not even my wife.

Too easy :-) No not angry, life is too short to be angry.

So YOLO (sry for that dumb quote) - real life sucks often enough, so some happy stupid endings in a videogame would have been nice, I guess.. hehe.

[3DandBeyond]

Spectre Piatch wrote...


So YOLO (sry for that dumb quote) - real life sucks often enough, so some happy stupid endings in a videogame would have been nice, I guess.. hehe.

This is the main point of the whole thing-that and that Shepard hasn't had a real life yet and just plain kept sacrificing for everyone else.

Real life is hard-entertainment is escapism.  I have 2 types of dreams that also are somewhat like escapism-one is the nightmare and one is a happy floaty kind of thing.  One I want to wake up from, the other one I might like to last a little longer before I awaken.  Games are like this.  Nightmare endings are ok, and I classify sad ones along with this, but  ME3 has 3 certain death or gone endings for Shepard with everything shown.  It has one possible happier ending (and a Shepard lives ending is the only happier ending for many), but that's left for us to guess at.  I've always wished everyone got the least that they hoped for in the ending.  For a large group of us, we didn't get a thing we hoped for.
If our roles were reversed, I would not want this for the "other" side.

What I will say is that I do thank Bioware for even trying to do something more.  I've never hated Bioware, but I do see that they dropped the ball on this one and did not remain true to their vision, created a new one that left a lot to be desired.  I still feel left out because Shepard mattered to me.  I didn't mind that Shepard's story would be over---I never stressed over that.  I just think that in ending Shepard's story, Shepard deserved far more than what Shepard got.  I don't think you do that to heroes in a story.  I think you give them a shot at happiness because I think it's all we have in real life--we have a transitory shot at happiness.  And if we've tried our best, worked very hard, we need to hope it can happen, not get left in a rubble pile as Torso Shepard did.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 27 juin 2012 - 02:43 .

[Spectre Piatch]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Spectre Piatch wrote...


So YOLO (sry for that dumb quote) - real life sucks often enough, so some happy stupid endings in a videogame would have been nice, I guess.. hehe.

This is the main point of the whole thing-that and that Shepard hasn't had a real life yet and just plain kept sacrificing for everyone else.

Real life is hard-entertainment is escapism.  I have 2 types of dreams that also are somewhat like escapism-one is the nightmare and one is a happy floaty kind of thing.  One I want to wake up from, the other one I might like to last a little longer before I awaken.  Games are like this.  Nightmare endings are ok, and I classify sad ones along with this, but  ME3 has 3 certain death or gone endings for Shepard with everything shown.  It has one possible happier ending (and a Shepard lives ending is the only happier ending for many), but that's left for us to guess at.  I've always wished everyone got the least that they hoped for in the ending.  For a large group of us, we didn't get a thing we hoped for.
If our roles were reversed, I would not want this for the "other" side.

Exactly what I meant, I only find it hard to express myself right, as I'm not nativ english.
She deserves better, as some lines say, because only watching her (him, whatever) fighting and making sacrifices the whole three games through, makes me feel very, very exhausted. They made her a hero we haven't had in gaming a long time, a hero we came to care for and that is why I don't see, why they wouldn't want to put her in ME4 or whatever new ending, new game, new DLC - I don't need to see her, hear her, just knowing that she finally has come to peace, someone stating what she's currently doing, would have made me, as her observer and player, feel a lot better..

Modifié par Spectre Piatch, 27 juin 2012 - 04:44 .

[White Zombie]

The endings are still bad. Not quite as atrociously bad before, but still pretty damn bad. Bioware, I am still quite disappointed with you. I'm still pissed off at myself for having spent near a c-note on pre-ordering this game way back when. I am more than a little surprised and appalled at the number of people who are thanking Bioware for this rank pile of crap. It goes without saying that I will be considerably more skeptical of anything that Bioware produces in the future. This isn't even getting into the other aspects of this ME3 debacle I'm still quite put out over.