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[zer0netgain]

Well, I know my 2 cents isn't worth squat, but here's my take on the EC in one word.

Acceptable.

IMHO, Bioware violated the pooch by NOT making this ending in the first place, and regardless of if it was an oversight by the devs or a deliberate ploy for attention, they will pay a price for it in the future.

Okay, the whole red/blue/green thing and blatant Deus Ex ripoff can be debated as a bad ending by itself, but as it's hard to have a truly "original" ending in any game, my issue always was less about the "unimaginative" ending(s) and more about the massive plot holes and poor storytelling at the end that left you wondering what on Earth Bioware/EA was thinking when they came up with the stock ending.  In the EC, they fill in the blanks adequately so that their stock ending bears plausibility.  They changed things that everyone knew posed an issue (e.g., exploding relays supposedly destroy star systems...so instead of explode they only "break").

While not the way I would have chosen to end ME3 (I would have had 3 variants of the Control ending based on if you were more P, R or equally both), I must admit that when I accepted the premise that Bioware/EA was not going to radically rewrite the ending, what the EC produced was very much in line with what I would have done to "fix" the problems with the stock ending.

Other than the oddity of the Normandy landing in a hot zone right in front of a Reaper to pick up the wounded so they could explain how your squadmates get out of there (in any combat situation, it would make more sense to use the smaller Kodiak to do that and then have it ferry the wounded to the rear for extraction), the new ending (sans "space magic") is rather plausible as far as ending options, and they even give you the option to reject all options...leaving the solution to the Reaper threat to a future cycle to solve.

Some would say that it is a lame plot element that the creators of the Reapers couldn't find a better solution than what they did.  I don't agree.  You make the best choice you can with what you have at hand.  In fact, I chuckled on the inside when the Catalyst commented that his creators were the first converted into Reaper form and that it wasn't something they had agreed to, but rather it was forced up on them....Very "Frankenstein's monster" and somewhat fitting given the story.  However, why wouldn't the Catalyst realize a better solution is possible after hundreds of thousands (or maybe millions) of years?

So, if Bioware/EA had done this ending as the original, I would have thought ME3 had a decent ending for the trilogy as a whole work.  Maybe not the "ideal" or "perfect" ending, but certainly not something that would have made me hesitant to ever buy another Bioware/EA title.  Sadly, by having to release the EC to salvage the trilogy from having an abysmal ending, I only have two conclusions....

1.  Bioware/EA was incompetent when it decided the stock ending was a good idea.

2.  Bioware/EA deliberatly packaged the stock ending to get publicity (sorry..."any publicity is good publicity" IS NOT a smart marketing move).

In either case, by doing this Bioware/EA not only put me off EVER rushing to buy another work they produce until long after other gamers have vetted the content for quality, but they have convinced me it is folly to EVER pre-order another title from anyone on the anticipation that it will be worth the full retail price.

I'm sure I'm not alone in this assessment, and I can only hope that Bioware/EA and other game developers learn this lesson....consumers DO CARE about quality.  You aren't making money off of the used game marketplace....give people a reason to rush out and pre-order or buy your games at full retail price.

Modifié par zer0netgain, 27 juin 2012 - 03:17 .

[Voodoo-j]

^ I agree

Very skeptical of ever pre ordering again. (obviously go by player reviews, not the crap reviews from other sources)

Modifié par Voodoo-j, 27 juin 2012 - 03:10 .

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo-j wrote...

^ I agree

Very skeptical of ever pre ordering again. (obviously go by player reviews, not the crap reviews from other sources)

Is it crap treviews cause they dont agree with you??????? How would you know which is which until you play game? ?????


I dont blame you for being skeptical on preordering....I seldom do it.

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

^ I agree

Very skeptical of ever pre ordering again. (obviously go by player reviews, not the crap reviews from other sources)

Is it crap treviews cause they dont agree with you??????? How would you know which is which until you play game? ?????


I dont blame you for being skeptical on preordering....I seldom do it.

I'm more skeptical of you than anything that exists.

[Voodoo2015]

Spectre Piatch and 3DandBeyond I hear you.

I loved Mass Effect series but BW loss and regrettably at the end. Not having to make an EC it should be ready from the start. I would have waited a few more months for the ME3, so we had a redy game on the relese.

Do not hate BW or is angry with them. I do not care that Shepard's story is over.
But I do care how BW ended  his / her story. It could have been so much more, more good endings two more.. Then we have six endings.

Kept the endings they had and made three more from the begin. One that which we got through EC dlc. And two others. But Shep deserve more than what he / she got 4 endings were all led to Shep's death.

[Wulfram]

Was I the only one who was briefly distracted by the adorably dorky celebrating Asari in the background

[zer0netgain]

Wulfram wrote...

Was I the only one who was briefly distracted by the adorably dorky celebrating Asari in the background

Be glad there wasn't a pole readily available....


....although that might have ben EPIC.

[Thanatos144]

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

^ I agree

Very skeptical of ever pre ordering again. (obviously go by player reviews, not the crap reviews from other sources)

Is it crap treviews cause they dont agree with you??????? How would you know which is which until you play game? ?????


I dont blame you for being skeptical on preordering....I seldom do it.

I'm more skeptical of you than anything that exists.

Sorry I am married.

[Voodoo-j]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

^ I agree

Very skeptical of ever pre ordering again. (obviously go by player reviews, not the crap reviews from other sources)

Is it crap treviews cause they dont agree with you??????? How would you know which is which until you play game? ?????


I dont blame you for being skeptical on preordering....I seldom do it.

I'm more skeptical of you than anything that exists.

Sorry I am married.

I see your on par for your undstanding the meaning of words...
Skepticism or scepticism (see spelling differences)
has many definitions, but generally refers to any questioning attitude
towards knowledge, facts, or opinions/beliefs stated as facts,[1] or doubt regarding claims that are taken for granted elsewhere.[2]
The word may characterize a position on a single matter, as in the case
of religious skepticism, which is "doubt concerning basic religious
principles (such as immortality, providence, and revelation)",[3] but philosophical skepticism is an overall approach that requires all information to be well supported by evidence.[4] Skeptics may even doubt the reliability of their own senses.[5] classical philosophical skepticism derives from the 'Skeptikoi', a school who "asserted nothing".[6] Adherents of Pyrrhonism, for instance, suspend judgment in investigations.[7]
to quote Joe Pesci "I'm done wit dis one!"
( I truly am.. no longer feel the need to feed the troll)

[3DandBeyond]

Spectre Piatch wrote...

Exactly what I meant, I only find it hard to express myself right, as I'm not nativ english.
She deserves better, as some lines say, because only watching her (him, whatever) fighting and making sacrifices the whole three games through, makes me feel very, very exhausted. They made her a hero we haven't had in gaming a long time, a hero we came to care for and that is why I don't see, why they would want to put her in ME4 or whatever new ending, new game, new DLC - I don't need to see her, hear her, just knowing that she finally has come to peace, someone stating what she's currently doing, would have made me, as her observer and player, feel a lot better..

You did a great job of expressing yourself.  You and others help form the thoughts the rest of us can't put words to and you did it very well.

This comment of yours is proof of that-with Shepard they created someone (a hero) that could be who we wanted him/her to be.  I mean of course they gave you some set decision options, but Shepard became your personal Shepard.  I've said it the Shepard I played the games with was MINE, MY Shepard.  I played only ME 2 and 3 at first because I only had the PS3.  I had ME1 for PC but a bad PC so I hadn't played it before ME2.  I finally did and tried to make that Shepard more like MINE, my Canon Shepard from ME2.  Then I got the xbox versions of all 3 games and again made that Shepard in them, MINE.  I worked again on the face in ME1 and used my saved code for the ones in ME2 and 3.  That Shepard, the first one I played the games with was my real Shepard and I cared about this fictional character.  What happened to her mattered to me.  I knew the difference between real and not real, but just as you love songs, books, movies, you do also love characters when they are kind of real to you.

I know a lot of people are now willing to even pay for DLC to see a happier ending for Shepard-a reunion DLC with friends and LIs.  I can even say that though it causes my brain to hurt and I am torn about it, I do hope that that happens.  Even if I never chose to buy it (I am not ruling it out), I hope that it happens for anyone that right now considers it an instant buy.  I understand what it means because I know you cared about the Shepard you helped create.

[Benchpress610]

Voodoo-j wrote...

^ I agree

Very skeptical of ever pre ordering again. (obviously go by player reviews, not the crap reviews from other sources)

Agreed…but since I’ve enjoyed Bioware’s games in the past,  I’m not gonna seat here and say Ain’t buying anymore Bioware games. Who knows they might come up with something really good in the future…However, that being said, this is the last time I buy pre-order. From now on, I will wait until the game is released and check the fan’s reviews, not the “professional critics”, but the fan’s. Based on that I’d decide whether to buy it or not
 
Oh, …one more thing…Unless they come clean and disclose how and by whom the original crap ending got approved in the game, I will be very skeptical of anything that Mac Walters and/or Casey Hudson are associated with.
 

[killbot92]

RinuCZ wrote...

killbot92 wrote...

Bioware's URL http://masseffect.bi...t/extended_cut/ says you have to start from the "Legacy" autosave you get after completing the game. I restarted from my original pre-Cerberus save. Do I need to restart from the autosave? Or, am I good with the original save (pre-Cerberus attack)?

Original pre-Cerberus base save should be fine. The main point is that your EMS is fixed and counted at that point and that's why you have to start there. It doesn't matter if you use Legend save or "old" one.
Have fun!

Thanks.

[BlueStorm83]

x7he pr0digyx wrote...

I think the extended cut is great. Most plot holes are resolved, and it even has an extra ending that I discovered completely by accident. The breathing scene was still there, whitch implies that Shep and Li and everybody might reunite, as opposed to where The Normandy is just stuck on some random world. I think Bioware did an excellent job. And to all the haters, "STFU ITS FREEEE."

Dude, stop calling people who don't like the ending "haters."  It makes you sound like an ignorant ass hole.

Nobody NEEDS to love the endings.  I HATED the first endings because they were inherently broken.  They were exclusive to certain Shepards.  They lacked any context.  And then, since there was no shown result of anything beyond 5 seconds after we cause them, they were all the same and, based on previously established Game Facts, left the entire Galaxy either dead, destroyed, ruined, or at the very very best in a ten thousand year dark age.

Now that the Extended Cut exists (and let's be honest, the Extended Cut is just what they SHOULD have done the first time if they wanted to give us these three options,) the broken parts are fixed.  Shepard can question, argue, even outright reject the Catalyst.  The Catalyst himself no longer contradicts himself within single sentences.  He offers context for why he came up with his solutions.  He explains and answers all of the major questions.  You can choose to stand and fight, and reject everything about him.

Is it perfect?  **** no.  There's a few "Wait, what?" moments.  But none of them completely RIP you out of Shepard's shoes. 

Harbinger not blowing the Normandy to hell when it picks up your squad is a really REALLY lucky thing, and it makes you wonder, but it's not as bad as "Okay, charred and dead Liara is now in the jungle on the Normandy?"

The Normandy damaged on the planet is a LITTLE out of place, but at least now that its engines haven't been ripped off, and we see it lift off, we can be sure that Tali and Garrus didn't die due to a lack of Dextro-based food sources.

Sure, Shepard is still dead in all the endings.  Magical Torso aside, Shepard dies.  That's not my preferred outcome.  As I keep saying, I think that the No-win scenario just doesn't exist.  I'm a Christian, and as such I believe FERVENTLY that I can always overcome everything and anything.  BUT I can accept that Shepard was in such a **** situation at the moment that there was no real BEST choice.  I also believe that if Shepard has more allies to rally (Maybe a DLC where we go through a Dormant Relay and find a whole new race out there???) we COULD have actually beat the reapers by refusing the choices.

The endings aren't perfect now.  But they've gone from a 0 out of 50 rating in my mind to a... I don't know, 38 out of 50, as a whole.  Some are as high as 42 out of 50, some are as low as 34 out of 50.  They're not SPECTACULAR GREAT I LOVE IT SO MUCH I'M GOING TO HAVE SEX WITH MY GAME DISC NOW!!!!  But they're not awful.  They're actually kinda good.

---  That said, I REALLY, REALLY had to fight off my preconceptions of the endings when I went through it again.  I had to FORCE myself to deal with the Catalyst as if it were my first time there, based only on what he was saying NOW.  It was SO TOUGH to do that.  If these endings were in fromt he start, people would have been saddened and or annoyed that there was no Perfect Ending, but the whole Backlash and Outrage, which WAS DESERVED, BIOWARE, wouldn't have happened.

And for the last time, quit ****ing LYING to us.  If you **** up, say "We ****ed up!  We're sorry!" and we'll be like, "It's cool, Bio Bros.  Just be careful to not do it again."

[Thanatos144]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

x7he pr0digyx wrote...

I think the extended cut is great. Most plot holes are resolved, and it even has an extra ending that I discovered completely by accident. The breathing scene was still there, whitch implies that Shep and Li and everybody might reunite, as opposed to where The Normandy is just stuck on some random world. I think Bioware did an excellent job. And to all the haters, "STFU ITS FREEEE."

Dude, stop calling people who don't like the ending "haters."  It makes you sound like an ignorant ass hole.

Nobody NEEDS to love the endings.  I HATED the first endings because they were inherently broken.  They were exclusive to certain Shepards.  They lacked any context.  And then, since there was no shown result of anything beyond 5 seconds after we cause them, they were all the same and, based on previously established Game Facts, left the entire Galaxy either dead, destroyed, ruined, or at the very very best in a ten thousand year dark age.

Now that the Extended Cut exists (and let's be honest, the Extended Cut is just what they SHOULD have done the first time if they wanted to give us these three options,) the broken parts are fixed.  Shepard can question, argue, even outright reject the Catalyst.  The Catalyst himself no longer contradicts himself within single sentences.  He offers context for why he came up with his solutions.  He explains and answers all of the major questions.  You can choose to stand and fight, and reject everything about him.

Is it perfect?  **** no.  There's a few "Wait, what?" moments.  But none of them completely RIP you out of Shepard's shoes. 

Harbinger not blowing the Normandy to hell when it picks up your squad is a really REALLY lucky thing, and it makes you wonder, but it's not as bad as "Okay, charred and dead Liara is now in the jungle on the Normandy?"

The Normandy damaged on the planet is a LITTLE out of place, but at least now that its engines haven't been ripped off, and we see it lift off, we can be sure that Tali and Garrus didn't die due to a lack of Dextro-based food sources.

Sure, Shepard is still dead in all the endings.  Magical Torso aside, Shepard dies.  That's not my preferred outcome.  As I keep saying, I think that the No-win scenario just doesn't exist.  I'm a Christian, and as such I believe FERVENTLY that I can always overcome everything and anything.  BUT I can accept that Shepard was in such a **** situation at the moment that there was no real BEST choice.  I also believe that if Shepard has more allies to rally (Maybe a DLC where we go through a Dormant Relay and find a whole new race out there???) we COULD have actually beat the reapers by refusing the choices.

The endings aren't perfect now.  But they've gone from a 0 out of 50 rating in my mind to a... I don't know, 38 out of 50, as a whole.  Some are as high as 42 out of 50, some are as low as 34 out of 50.  They're not SPECTACULAR GREAT I LOVE IT SO MUCH I'M GOING TO HAVE SEX WITH MY GAME DISC NOW!!!!  But they're not awful.  They're actually kinda good.

---  That said, I REALLY, REALLY had to fight off my preconceptions of the endings when I went through it again.  I had to FORCE myself to deal with the Catalyst as if it were my first time there, based only on what he was saying NOW.  It was SO TOUGH to do that.  If these endings were in fromt he start, people would have been saddened and or annoyed that there was no Perfect Ending, but the whole Backlash and Outrage, which WAS DESERVED, BIOWARE, wouldn't have happened.

And for the last time, quit ****ing LYING to us.  If you **** up, say "We ****ed up!  We're sorry!" and we'll be like, "It's cool, Bio Bros.  Just be careful to not do it again."

Why shouldnt you be called haters?????You hate the ending right? Seems to me that is is a truthful description.

[BlueStorm83]

akenn312 wrote...

*snipped*

Now to the part I was completely surprised about. I don't mind the Catalyst at all anymore. It's amazing how just putting in a good backstory and letting Shepard ask questions on how he and the Reapers were created and the choice consequences fixes almost everything about him. 

He's basically Master Mold from the X-men. An AI created to solve a problem by organics but his logic ultimately becomes the organic creators downfall. So now all this crap ties in and has some logic to it. I have no idea why they did not want to put this important dialog in, in the first place. It was very interesting and compelling and I enjoyed the way Shepard became himself again and all it took was a few questions.

---  That's my point.  They didn't need to make him likeable or anything.  they juse needed to suspend my Disbelief.

Also, I didn't make the Master Mold connection.  I considered him more like Brainiac from Superman.  Learn all about a civilization, preserve it... as data...  Then BLOW IT THE MUTHA **** UP!!!!  WOOOO, CRAZY ROBOT!

Sure, he's still stupid and WAY too literalistic, but at least now he's not contradicting himself within one sentence.  And honestly?  Even his end goal has changed.  He's not trying to preserve Organics by killing Evil Synthetics... as he kills Organics with Evil Synthetics.  Now he's trying to maintain a non-violent state between Organics and Synthetics.  And merging them in machines or even totally obliterating them actually causes this.  For 50 thousand years, there's no war between machines and mans.  Now, with consciences, we can clearly see that he's missing the point, but from a TECHNICAL, mechanical definition, he wins.

[Redbelle]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Why shouldnt you be called haters?????You hate the ending right? Seems to me that is is a truthful description.

Would that make you a lover? Cause you love the ending?

[3DandBeyond]

Benchpress610 wrote...

Voodoo-j wrote...

^ I agree

Very skeptical of ever pre ordering again. (obviously go by player reviews, not the crap reviews from other sources)

Agreed…but since I’ve enjoyed Bioware’s games in the past,  I’m not gonna seat here and say Ain’t buying anymore Bioware games. Who knows they might come up with something really good in the future…However, that being said, this is the last time I buy pre-order. From now on, I will wait until the game is released and check the fan’s reviews, not the “professional critics”, but the fan’s. Based on that I’d decide whether to buy it or not
 
Oh, …one more thing…Unless they come clean and disclose how and by whom the original crap ending got approved in the game, I will be very skeptical of anything that Mac Walters and/or Casey Hudson are associated with.
 

And I think this is a very good point.  I'd never tell anyone to not buy something just because I don't like it.  I also would never tell someone to not listen to someone I don't like, unless that person is being hurtful to them.  I will state my opinion (obviously) and do note the good and the bad.  I've had problems with games I've really waited for, pre-ordered and had anticipated that just didn't live up to what they could have been. 

But, I've never had such a love/hate relationship for a game before.  Not Bioware and not the devs-the devs are human beings that I do disagree with on many levels.  I have little respect for some of their actions.  And I believe in many ways they showed a lack of respect for me as a customer (me and many others).  And by respect I do not mean they needed to love me, honor me or believe and do everything I wanted.  I mean decency was lacking.  They helped foment divisiveness and the person in power with the loudest voice and the most money that wants something from the peons out there, has the biggest responsibility, bears the brunt of the blame.

They are people just like the rest of us, but people with power and with the desire for me to give them my money.  They could have and should have stepped up, got some teflon armor on, and dealt with the issue head on, not with silence, innuendo, and out of hurt.

I own my own business and I've gotten complaints so I know what I'm saying.  I've dealt with people that have out and out lied about what I sold them.  I didn't complain to my other customers about such people.  I didn't post or blog about it.  I refunded their money with my apology and asked for an explanation of where I went wrong and how I might do better in the future.  The lesson of this is that I don't expect the complainer to buy from me again, but I used respect.  My words might be seen by others, my reputation matters.  And at the end of the day as a human being what do I achieve by adding to the negativity.  I close myself off from possibly even learning something.  And though I am older than many if not most here, I will never be too old to learn even from people I don't like much.  There's an old saying, "don't shoot the messenger".  You never know where good ideas will come from.

I will find it hard to pre-order any game ever again.  I may find it hard to buy any game without knowing that most players like the ending.  I will rely more than ever on player's views of games and now will totally avoid most professional review websites.  I never relied on them before, but their credibility is now zero.  But I can't say Bioware is dead to me.  Unlike the star kid, I just don't know what the future holds and setting anything in stone is very fatalistic.

[KBomber44]

I have to address this on a couple of fronts....

First, I am grateful that Bioware took the time to produce the EC DLC in order to address the many concerns that fans of the game voiced post-release of the original game. Providing that DLC and all the other DLC to date at no charge to their fans is magnanimous in scope and I think that as a community, that gesture has to count for something, regardless of rationale. As I am known to say, there is no nation like donation and Bioware, along with their parent company EA, have given up a lot of opportunities to enhance their sales with all this free material.

I appreciate these gestures and thank you.

In terms of the EC DLC, so far, I've only had one run through and I do think that some of the added material has helped my understanding in some cases. [SPOILER ALERT] For example the scene that has been dropped in prior to Shepard making it to "The Beam" in London has helped me to understand how folks who were in my squad made it off planet and to the Normandy, along with why the Normandy was hightailing it in the original ending. To be honest, since Liara was in my end-game squad and was also the romantic interest for my Shepard, their final farewell was another poignant moment in a game that, I think for the most part, had MANY poignant moments throughout. I've lost count of how many save files of ME2 that I have and while I have only played through about 3 of these into ME3, I think the DLC helps in that regard.[END SPOILER]

Does the DLC help explain the ending? Yes. Does it make more sense to me than he "Indoctrination Theory" and all the potential tangents that the IT could have supplied? Not really, but then again, just because someone was able to fashion a different vision from the oodles of existing material provided by ME1 through ME3, it doesn't mean that the original vision is "wrong" or "incorrect". The artistic work of Mass Effect is what it is as a narrative. That vision is the property of its creators, so I am cool with that.

I will admit, having played through again using the "Destroy" option, what the EC DLC still does not do is explain why my Shepard is still seen at the end of the piece taking a breath as though they'd survived. [SPOILER ALERT] I say this because, having played through the EC, I did get to see a scene where Liara and the surviving crew are having a ceremony where they are adding "Commander Shepard" to the Memorial Wall onboard the Normandy. To be honest, I was hoping that the DLC would resolve the suggestions of that brief cut scene, given the deliberate nature of its inclusion to the overall narrative. My question has to be "Hey Bioware, what are you trying to tell me and what does this scene mean to me?"[END SPOILER]

I've said this before and I will say it again, the vehement nature of the feedback on ME3 is the product of intense fan ownership of this game and that is a compliment to the universe and the experience created by the Mass Effect series. Gamers became so entrenched with their individual realities that they created that, in the end, they could not accept an ending that was equally of their making. The border between what was wrought by the creative team and the individual gamer was blurred to such an extent that anything not of the gamers own input was deemed as being unacceptable. I can't remember another game that has seen a similar manifestation of interest/ownership.

Ultimately, the Mass Effect series took us to a reality that was very much a partnership between creator (Bioware) and gamer. It is a place and a story that I have appreciated and has moved, inspired, delighted and, more than anything else, ENTERTAINED me for as many years as I have played the series. I am confident in saying that I have played this series more than any other in my library of games and with the new EC DLC, I will continue to do so, because my connection to the events and characters is an incredibly strong one.

In closing I can only say that, to me, once art is release to a public, it is open to interpretation. Mass Effect is no more or less so defined. There will be those who will never be satisfied by all or parts of it, just as there will be those, probably like me, who have a very intense opinion to the opposite pole on many or all aspects of this series of games. The one thing that you cannot dispute, and which is a staple of great art, is that the object itself renders varied opinions that are fueled with great passion. In this, the Mass Effect series has delivered -- and THAT in spades, quite obviously.

From my end, thank you. It is and will continue to be a great ride...

[BlueStorm83]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Why shouldnt you be called haters?????You hate the ending right? Seems to me that is is a truthful description.

Not anymore, no.  Now my reaction to the endings (and they actually are different endings now) ranges from tolerance to actually liking them.

But anyway, having a title denotes your primary function.  For instance, at work, I'm a Quality Assurance Manager.  That's my prime function there.  For someone to be a hater here, they'd have to be doing nothing but hating.  Opponent, I'd accept.  Or at least would accept, in the past.  Fan would be accurate through the entire process, as my whole point was that the game was broken.

The endings now are by and large the same as they were before.  But the Narrative isn't broken by Shepard losing the freedom to ask or reject.  And the Game Laws isn't broken by exploding relays that we're supposed to believe didn't destroy entire systems.  And the advertising about multiple variations on endings (with the help of the contextual and randomized epilogue scenes) and even the advertising about the Multiplayer not being mandatory- that is all fixed too.  The game has taken the form that it was said to have had.

So I'm looking like it as this:  I went to buy a Butterfly.  BioWare said "Here, have a Butterfly."  When I got home, there was a goddamn CATERPILLAR in my box!  After months, BioWare finally gave us a cocoon, and now I have my Butterfly.

Even if I still have Red, Blue, and Green wings to pick.

[Voodoo2015]

Redbelle wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Why shouldnt you be called haters?????You hate the ending right? Seems to me that is is a truthful description.

Would that make you a lover? Cause you love the ending?

No not a lover. A fanboy is more proper!

[Wesker1984]

Command peoples it just a game not a real life. You are all acting like you lose a part of you're life, i must admit it was the way i feeled after completing the game three month ago but now i changed, not just because of the extended cut but also because they exist a world beyond you're room were you play. Mass Effect 3 is a very good game but the dev made a mistake with the stupid endings and tried to redeem them with a DLC. How many developers will do an alternate endings pack for free? I'll vgive them that, the new endings are not perfect but are awesome and a more fitting end to a great saga than the incomplete endings.

Having the mass relay repaired, the normandy going out of the planet show us they listened to us and this is a proof they care for us even if they do it a product. Now we can have hope having a Mass Effect 4 who will continu one of the 3 main endings. And also i've never trusted the indoctrinatin theory or wanted a refusal option, i just wanted a more conclusive story with more clarification to the actual endings and Bioware have just done that!

Everyone say this not the way Shepard will act, i think you should say this is not the way YOUR Shepard or YOU will act but in my case i see my Shepard as a iconic hero who live only to protect the things he have faith in it and will do whatever it take to stop a danger to come even sacrifice his own existence and this is why the control ending fit with my Shepard because it served the purpose i saw throught my Shepard and i loved the irony in that ending, you fight to stop them in three games and you end up controling what you wanted to destroy and used them as a force to protect entire civilasations becoming now less a man and more a god.

Sure i would have loved a more happier ending where my Shep is reunited with his love of his life, Tali, but i loved the new extended endings and my four Shepard, two males, two females, have now an endings who fit for all of them.

Mass Effect is my second favorite video games series after Resident Evil and i hope Bioware will continu the franchise in the future with sequels, prequel and side-story.

Modifié par Wesker1984, 27 juin 2012 - 04:47 .

[BlueStorm83]

3DandBeyond wrote...

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I will find it hard to pre-order any game ever again.  I may find it hard to buy any game without knowing that most players like the ending.  I will rely more than ever on player's views of games and now will totally avoid most professional review websites.  I never relied on them before, but their credibility is now zero.  But I can't say Bioware is dead to me.  Unlike the star kid, I just don't know what the future holds and setting anything in stone is very fatalistic.

Yes, exactly the reaction I have to the company now.  Though we differ on our opinions of satisfaction to the Extended Cut (or Finally What We Said You'd Get All Along Version) I'm at that same place toward BioWare.  They're not back to Auto-Purchase Status.  But they're definitely off of my "Never again!" list.

[seitani]

I don't know why people still hate the endings and Bioware so much. EC corrected a lot of mistakes present in the original ending. Now the the biggest plot holes are corrected and destruction and control options have difference and real impact to the story other than red and blue color and they fleshed out the choices a lot with audio and cutscenes. Synthesis is still the only option that doesn't fit in the game, even if it has some great cutscenes with EDI. AND NO....ending is not perfect but it doesn't suck just because you didn't get a 45 minute cutscene with your love interest.

[3DandBeyond]

BlueStorm83 wrote...

---  That's my point.  They didn't need to make him likeable or anything.  they juse needed to suspend my Disbelief.

Also, I didn't make the Master Mold connection.  I considered him more like Brainiac from Superman.  Learn all about a civilization, preserve it... as data...  Then BLOW IT THE MUTHA **** UP!!!!  WOOOO, CRAZY ROBOT!

Sure, he's still stupid and WAY too literalistic, but at least now he's not contradicting himself within one sentence.  And honestly?  Even his end goal has changed.  He's not trying to preserve Organics by killing Evil Synthetics... as he kills Organics with Evil Synthetics.  Now he's trying to maintain a non-violent state between Organics and Synthetics.  And merging them in machines or even totally obliterating them actually causes this.  For 50 thousand years, there's no war between machines and mans.  Now, with consciences, we can clearly see that he's missing the point, but from a TECHNICAL, mechanical definition, he wins.

Problem is, with this change to his emphasis-preserving the balance, which he just blew out of the water by rebelling against his creators and turning them into a reaper, there's a new issue in all the conflicts Shepard helped resolve.  Shepard, a human, an organic doesn't need to control the reapers to become the catalyst and do what the catalyst was supposed to do.  Shepard already did this as a real person.  Again, in fact, it's the reapers that have disrupted the balance, therefore the kid caused the imbalance with the presence of the reapers, his creators that wanted the balance they now threaten.  Remove the reapers and the balance is there.  Shepard had been always about finding common ground between battling groups and did so even before the reapers ever came along.  At least one type of Shepard did.

This again makes the presence of the kid and the reapers a circular logic thing.  Shepard can prove but again does not back this up with what's happened, that s/he already has done what the kid couldn't.  And Shepard never says to the kid that he created the problem in the first place by what he did.  Sure the crazier kid may not care at all about any of this, but it shows the whole artificial nature of the inclusion of this new reason.  It may even be worse than the first, because Shepard the person found balance and may now have to become a polar opposite to EDI, in being a shackled AI in order to achieve the balance s/he already achieved in human form, if control is chosen.  And synthesis is still what the even crazier kid was trying to achieve.  So, he's crazier and what he wanted to make happen makes more sense?  Destroy, well that like war never changes.  Same old torso, same old rubble, different longer cutscenes with more Hackett, less Shepard.

[Voodoo2015]

seitani wrote...

I don't know why people still hate the endings and Bioware so much. EC corrected a lot of mistakes present in the original ending. Now the the biggest plot holes are corrected and destruction and control options have difference and real impact to the story other than red and blue color and they fleshed out the choices a lot with audio and cutscenes. Synthesis is still the only option that doesn't fit in the game, even if it has some great cutscenes with EDI. AND NO....ending is not perfect but it doesn't suck just because you didn't get a 45 minute cutscene with your love interest.

You'r right the don't suck enymore they are better not grate but better. BW tryed to correct errors, They did correct some of them.

Still dont like them but kan live with it.