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[darkway1]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

I find myself in agreement with 3DandBeyond.  I don't want goo-filled Reaper cops who have spent three games killing people.  Now they are going to help me put a deck on the house?  No thanks.  After after a few years of Shreaper telling them they can't ever turn people into goo again, don't you think they are just going to tell him to take a hike?  Synthesis is the ultimate "space magic" ending.  Other than the fact that you no longer need a flashlight in the dark ("Close your eyes please, I'm trying to sleep") it doesn't make any sense and it is inconsistent with the rest of the series.  Mass Effect is about killing the galactic bad guys with your buddies with humor and style and against impossible odds.  Destroy is the only ending that comes close to that.  Then just imagine your own ending if you think it's unfair to EDI or the Geth.  (Legion was one of my favorite characters, but he's "dead" anyway.)  BioWare didn't give you the option of just punching the StarBrat in the nose and high-fiving Garrus.  So Destroy is the closest thing.  Then just don't give into some writer who tried to be the Stanley Kubrick of video games and imagine the rest of the story in a way that suits you.  For me, its a cookout with all my squaddies and a game of touch football in the backyard.  Jack keeps making the ball fly all over the place; Zaeed keeps shooting it.

Yeah, exactly.  If I wanted more speculation I'd have just stuck with the original endings.  Synthesis is perfection now?  Only if you've always dreamed of being part reaper tech.  I want to be smart, I want to know everything, but I want to earn that knowledge and make my own mistakes along the way.  I don't learn anything if it's all given to me.  And I have no reason to learn if I can snap my fingers and bob the reaper comes a running.  If I becomes some child's view of perfect by having my DNA (same as the original) be converted to a hybrid thing, then I have no reason to try.  The things you don't earn for yourself have no value.

I still see Synthesis as abhorrent and a molestation-it's actually more so, because the kid says it couldn't be forced but that's exactly what happens.  The only person with a choice is Shepard and Shepard forces it on everyone else. 

All true.  Well said.

Shepard is part synthetic,with out implants he would have died at the start of Mass2........so it's a case of synthetic implants or die.........the synthesis ending is no different really,it's a choice that keeps the universe alive,if not then death is inevitable............if Synthesis keeps EDI's sexy ass alive,I'm happy:O

[Archonsg]

@3Dandbeyond

Mind you, to me, the ECDLC did cement just how twisted and insane Starbrat is.

In that vein, it's pretty twisted for the writers to still force you to take one of three choices if you do not want a reaper victory.
Reject option should have been the "right" one but that was against their "artistic vision".

So, choosing from three evils, if you look at it from this point of view;

The Control option is the least revolting of the three because it does not betray friends and allies and does not murder anyone else than yourself.

Control took all the deaths by reaper hands and turned it around. Made their lives mean something by putting them to work rebuilding and safeguarding the galaxy.
In that vein of thought, you also have the scariest fleet in the galaxy telling you to play nice or else.

Even the Krogans would do so and possibly keep their numbers in check by themselves or look for other outlets other than invading their neighbors if you have that Reaper Fleet as the ruler to the knuckles peacekeeping force.

Now, it could have gone either way, they could have gone the renegade route and made it so that Shreaper enforced human dominance over all other species, instead they went the paragon route and Shreaper now plays guardian.

Compared to Synthesis, which is STILL Galaxy wide genetic rape, and Destroy where you choose to murder an entire race and friend in a ruthless "war calculus" way, murder one race and a friend, so that many other races can live makes Control by far the least "evil".

As for the "LI reunion" thing.
It boils down to a "complete victory" scenario. Perhaps Destroy but I think that teaser was left in there just "because".
I still feel that it is not a commitment to the fact that Shepard lives and you are asked to fan-fiction his survival, from an exploding Citadel, sucking vacumm, falling through the atmosphere and becoming a human torch, going so far into terminal velocity you'd probably create a sonic boom, and hitting rubble with no helmet, armor or soft snow this time to cushion your ground impact ... and somehow, Shepard lives.

Right.

Still in my eyes and mind, require the "complete victory" scenario which our BW overlords have very much given the two fingered salute to.

Modifié par Archonsg, 28 juin 2012 - 08:09 .

[Archonsg]

BTW, wana bet someone will use that "reject option", re-edit the space battle scenes, re-cut with awesome music, and give us the WIN scenario via youtube?

[tholloway93]

Archonsg wrote...

BTW, wana bet someone will use that "reject option", re-edit the space battle scenes, re-cut with awesome music, and give us the WIN scenario via youtube?

its gotta happen!

[darkway1]

I don't think a "LI" ending or DLC would be possible......for you to get your personal ending they would have to make content for every single "LI" character,that's a lot of work.

I think an interesting point is about the original "dark energy " plot.......the collectors in Mass2 targeted humans because they had some thing unique about them,a human reaper would be built with the hope to stop this "dark energy".......some thing the reapers in their present state can't do.

Now that Shepard is in control or has united the universe and reapers......it kinda allows the possibility of the "dark energy" plot to continue.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

Archonsg wrote...

@3Dandbeyond

Mind you, to me, the ECDLC did cement just how twisted and insane Starbrat is.

In that vein, it's pretty twisted for the writers to still force you to take one of three choices if you do not want a reaper victory.
Reject option should have been the "right" one but that was against their "artistic vision".

So, choosing from three evils, if you look at it from this point of view;

The Control option is the least revolting of the three because it does not betray friends and allies and does not murder anyone else than yourself.

Control took all the deaths by reaper hands and turned it around. Made their lives mean something by putting them to work rebuilding and safeguarding the galaxy.
In that vein of thought, you also have the scariest fleet in the galaxy telling you to play nice or else.

Even the Krogans would do so and possibly keep their numbers in check by themselves or look for other outlets other than invading their neighbors if you have that Reaper Fleet as the ruler to the knuckles peacekeeping force.

Now, it could have gone either way, they could have gone the renegade route and made it so that Shreaper enforced human dominance over all other species, instead they went the paragon route and Shreaper now plays guardian.

Compared to Synthesis, which is STILL Galaxy wide genetic rape, and Destroy where you choose to murder an entire race and friend in a ruthless "war calculus" way, one race and a friend to-day so many other races can live, control is by far the least "evil".

As for the "LI reunion" thing.
It boils down to a "complete victory" scenario. Perhaps Destroy but I think that teaser was left in there just "because".
I still feel that it is not a commitment to the fact that Shepard lives and you are asked to fan-fiction his survival, from an exploding Citadel, sucking vacumm, falling through the atmosphere and becoming a human torch, going so far into terminal velocity you'd probably create a sonic boom, and hitting rubble with no helmet, armor or soft snow this time to cushion your ground impact ... and somehow, Shepard lives.

Right.

Still in my eyes and mind, require the "complete victory" scenario which our BW overlords have very much given the two fingered salute to.

The "reject" ending would have been perfect and completely consistent with the prior art of Mass Effect, but there was no way to do that and say the EC was just further "closure," as opposed to a completely new ending.  That's all about ego.  It seems BioWare just found itself incapable of overtly conceding that the original endings were awful. 

I think the company would have made a better business decision to call the DLC "Alternate Cut" and done exactly what you suggest.  People who loved the "original endings" (both of them) could just stick with those.  Everyone else would be choosing "reject."  The  Collector's Edition Guide suggests that "destroy" was the "winning" option as originally cast.  Shepard "lives."  Call the rubble pile survival a factual stretch but it isn't any worse than the rest of those tragic "original endings."  The bottom line is that you had better dust off your imagination if you want to envision a conclusion that is satisfying.  And why let bad writing win anyway?

[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

Shepard is part synthetic,with out implants he would have died at the start of Mass2........so it's a case of synthetic implants or die.........the synthesis ending is no different really,it's a choice that keeps the universe alive,if not then death is inevitable............if Synthesis keeps EDI's sexy ass alive,I'm happy:O

Implants can be removed-not of course if they are life-saving, but they don't create that state of "perfection" they say synthesis is.  And it doesn't give anyone but Shepard a choice.

Synthesis also is forced upon the whole galaxy.  There were people that refused implants of any kind within ME-some groups and I cannot remember who they were, but I do remember they were there.  So, no matter what everyone will be what Shepard says they will be.

I understand we have got the sucky stuff we have got and you have to live within what they have given.  I don't have to like it and I am very glad for those that do.  I don't think things have fundamentally changed.  It's a turd with perfume but for me they used turd smelling perfume.  I'd have accepted it all, not liked it, but accepted it if it had included one small bit of closure for those of us that wanted to see Shepard really alive, and I hate the choice that is the only one that makes that possible.

[BlueStorm83]

--- I just read the Forbes article. It's pretty insightful, but they were quoting the OLD Starboy, and not the NEW one. There are differences between the two.

New Starboy is there to create a state where there is no conflict between Organic and Synthetic Life. Not necessarily a non-war state, but no conflict, no chaos. That happens if you make people into a Reaper. It happens if you take all their information down, incorporate that into a Reaper, and then kill them. And it happens if you do that same thing for their Synthetic creations. His goal is no longer to protect Organics from Synthetics by killing them (...what???) Forbes seemed to miss this.

They also seemed to miss Starboy's explanations of his origin, and what happened to his creators. He said:

They made me to catalyze community between them and their Synthetic Creatios.
I am here to preserve both Organic and Synthetic life.
My Creators gave the Reapers form.
All of my solutions eventually ended in failure.
I made them into the first TRUE Reaper.
They objected to becoming a Reaper, but it was the only way.

This isn't the same old Starboy. The new one sucks as much as the old one, but he's built better. Built as an amoral AI with tunnel vision. But at least not self contradicting.

--- Shepard no longer plummets to earth with the ruins of an exploded citadel. We see scenes of the Citadel, damaged like all hell but still around 80% intact. Commander Torso may well be alive there.

--- Yes, Forbes gets it. Warning the next cycle in advance with ALL of our knowledge of the Reapers would allow them to beat them. Look at the CATASTROPHIC damage we did to the Reapers with a cycle where exactly ONE SHIP full of people were willing to prepare for the invasion? If an entire galactic community were forewarned and had not fiveyears, but around, say, five hundred to prepare? Maybe even five THOUSAND? Is it the happiest ending? No. But it makes the Reapers dead. Not leashed, not friendly, and not even buried under the corpses of the innocent betrayed. Just dead.

--- THAT SAID: I still want to marshal all my forces, gather all my war assets, grow more Tank Krogan (Give Grunt a few thousand identical cousins to command, maybe?) Build our own Anti-Reapers based on the technology that Cerberus was working on, recruit Leviathan, board enemy Reapers and RIP THEIR BRAINS OUT to use the lobotomized body as a warship of our own, build more platforms for the Geth to download into (Codex said that there were hundreds of thousands of Geth on Rannoch... and perhaps trillions in servers aboard Orbital Stations,) absolutely stack the deck, tell Starboy to go to hell, and then FIGHT AND WIN.

Why should I be able to? Because this is a VIDEO GAME, and I play for keeps.

[3DandBeyond]

Ok doesn't anyone think the control ending sounds ominous. The music is and the line about having power and destroying any enemy. I don't know, that one just sounded creepy.

[Alamandorious]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok doesn't anyone think the control ending sounds ominous. The music is and the line about having power and destroying any enemy. I don't know, that one just sounded creepy.

What, don't you trust yourself to not go mad with power?

I suppose that's from my point of view; I played my Shepard as if it were me in the game...of course, me that was more charismatic and better with a gun...but me nonetheless.

[darkway1]

Alamandorious wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok doesn't anyone think the control ending sounds ominous. The music is and the line about having power and destroying any enemy. I don't know, that one just sounded creepy.

What, don't you trust yourself to not go mad with power?

I suppose that's from my point of view; I played my Shepard as if it were me in the game...of course, me that was more charismatic and better with a gun...but me nonetheless.

LOL...yeah,if you played as a renegade,the Control ending could turn you in to the universes next problem. 

[Archonsg]

darkway1 wrote...

I don't think a "LI" ending or DLC would be possible......for you to get your personal ending they would have to make content for every single "LI" character,that's a lot of work.

I think an interesting point is about the original "dark energy " plot.......the collectors in Mass2 targeted humans because they had some thing unique about them,a human reaper would be built with the hope to stop this "dark energy".......some thing the reapers in their present state can't do.

Now that Shepard is in control or has united the universe and reapers......it kinda allows the possibility of the "dark energy" plot to continue.

I think the keyword is "PAY for LI DLC."
Work it might be, but I am pretty sure people would want to PAY for an alternate ending. 
Don't you?

[RinuCZ]

 After experiencing EC, I gave myself a pause for thought to be able to write a honest review. In advance, I'm sorry for lengthy post!

--------Overall--------
To provide a bit of background, I really disliked original endings. To such an extent, I stopped being a comfortable BSN lurker and expressed my frustration. Generally, I've had various opinions about games but I'd never felt so strongly about them or felt an urge to declare them publicly. I mean, except for LoTSB which begged for a very loud praise . My reasons were mentioned elsewhere on BSN, so I won't spam this thread by duplicity.

EC is a big, nice surprise. I expected a clarification of obvious facts, instead I got the most valued modifications:
1. Shepard's original "bulldog spirit" (I played Paragon, btw);
2. Sensible ending;
3. New Catalyst's reasoning making a sense.

I'm content. These are endings I can live with. I basically have two canon endings now. One satisfied my need for a good closure of brilliant series and for a personality-coherent solution made by Shepard (Refusal). Second soothed my emotional need for seeing a happy conclusion of Shepard's story (Destroy).

Ad 1)
An ability to let Shepard lead a conversation instead of accepting Catalyst as an absolute god-like figure means A WORLD to me. She's a fighter and there is no reason why she shouldn't be in the very end. Catalyst's point of view obviously collides with hers, she's bind to show a resistance - even if futile - by her own words "I won't let fear compromise who I am". Enhanced dialog with Catalyst combined with refusal option offers that.
I'm glad EC finally cemented her position within games as the best strong female character once and for all (sort of).  

Ad 2)
As much as I can see, let's say, spiritual meanings of original decisions, they either lack even a slight touch of hard sci-fi ("know-how" of Synthesis/Destroy) or contradict Shepard's words and actions (Destroy/Control). 4th choice, Refusal, manages to keep a right balance. A narrative indirectly follows prior events which means that offered options are out of questions and only way out is to fight as a whole against the old "cleansing fire". Races of the current cycle aren't able to survive because they aren't prepared enough. But they can weaken the enemy as much as possible, leave the message (aww, time capsule) for the next cycle and pass the baton for the next cycle. It's a realistic yet poetic long-run task fueled by many races and cycles. It felt real.
On the one hand, I'd like to see an extended epilogue as was the case for other ones, on the other hand it leaves a welcomed space for imagination. I prefer to believe that the next cycle'll evolve technologically and strategically to be able solve the problem without Catalyst.

Ad 3)
Original Catalyst's explanation of means (why, how) and application of solutions (why use Shepard) was... well, flawed. For Mass Effect, it felt like a let-down. The new version worked for me. It was still flawed but TIM-like flawed stance. I was taken aback how I actually didn't mind it this time around. Kudos for that. Maybe I'd get by without the emphasis on "little damaged" relays.    

--------Random comments---------
-- Unlike original endings, I just had to see all new endings after experiencing "canon" Refuse, even low-EMS ones .
-- Destroy ending - I don't fancy this decision from a practical point of view (how the selection is done) and in the context of Shepard's personality (offering geths as a bargain) but I highly welcome it for being able to see a happy ending. f!Shep grew on me a lot and somewhere deep inside my heart I wished to see her to make it. The execution of her survival was perfect in my eyes. It reminded me how strongly one moment in ME2 resonated with me. It was right before the suicide mission when Shepard was sitting in her cabin and watching Liara's framed picture. The scene said so much about the state Shepard is in, about her bond with LI, about her uncertainty about what's to come. The Destroy ending has the same bittersweet taste full of exhaustion and hope. I liked that a lot.
-- Normandy on battlefield - It was hard to ignore why normandy crew got a special escort after being wounded while other members of assault have to run forward and dying? But I digress.
-- Replacement of DLC message was a nice, more personal touch.
-- Thumbs up for a different stargazer. It fits in Refusal and makes it complete.
-- Memorial was neat, the hug in Control moved me. Also the minor thing like gentle reasoning behind Joker between Ashley and Traynor when flying away. 
-- I was happy to see Samara's cameo in ending - I liked her in ME2 (as many others) but her still was full of peaceful vibration. But where is Garrus? I didn't see him in any ending .
-- Control - It's a complete side note but I love the idea that someone in the future will challenge "I know you feel this!" Shepard - already distorted by her unlimited reign - at some point, hehe.

-----------Where next-----------
EC awakened my desire to re-play ME3. To be curious about DLC and sequels. Yet the face import issue is a real blocker. Which brings me to the question:
Is Bioware still working on this issue or do you dropped it as solved?
I'm asking because I prefer official patches, so I was sort of waiting for an official response to decide if I should reserve one afternoon for fan fixing tools. EC closed ME trilogy for me but I still feel *my* Shepard didn't close her story. Although there are similar features, ME3!Shep bears a very little resemblance to previous one (either after a proper face-import or hours of editing attempts). In fact, before EC, it paradoxically helped me A LOT to be still able to enjoy previous installments and ignore ME3 as something done by someone else in a parallel universe, after EC I'd like to finish the trilogy with the character who has guided me through. 

Do I think some things in ME3/ME3EC could have been done better? Definitely. Do I really mind? At this point, no. But I always can want best for something I like a lot. Thank you, Bioware.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 30 juin 2012 - 04:12 .

[Archonsg]

Alamandorious wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok doesn't anyone think the control ending sounds ominous. The music is and the line about having power and destroying any enemy. I don't know, that one just sounded creepy.

What, don't you trust yourself to not go mad with power?

I suppose that's from my point of view; I played my Shepard as if it were me in the game...of course, me that was more charismatic and better with a gun...but me nonetheless.

But of course!
"What are we going to do today Brain?" 
"RULE THE WORLD! Right after I sort this armor's wedgie out."

Seriously, Control is omnious. Shepard could have gone the other way.
But not in my play and he did the right thing.
So while it had the  "FEAR ME FOR I AM ULTIMTE POWER!" undertones, that power was used for good, which does make it more acceptable for my Paragon play through.

I wonder, has any pure Renegade played control and did you still get that whole "Guardian of the Galaxy" thing?
I do have a full Smart Renegade as opposed to the "moron ****** everyone off jerk Renegade" but I'll be damned if I am going to play a full run just to see what he gets. 

Like I said before, the ECDLC ended my Sith Rage mode but didn't reignite my passion to WANT to play the game again. I will ...eventually ...maybe.

[RinuCZ]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok doesn't anyone think the control ending sounds ominous. The music is and the line about having power and destroying any enemy. I don't know, that one just sounded creepy.

The tone sounds cheery to me. All the we did good, I remember everyone, etc. But it still leaves a space for future twisted "I rule them all" God!Shepard and I like that vision.  

Modifié par RinuCZ, 28 juin 2012 - 08:57 .

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

I don't think a "LI" ending or DLC would be possible......for you to get your personal ending they would have to make content for every single "LI" character,that's a lot of work.

I think an interesting point is about the original "dark energy " plot.......the collectors in Mass2 targeted humans because they had some thing unique about them,a human reaper would be built with the hope to stop this "dark energy".......some thing the reapers in their present state can't do.

Now that Shepard is in control or has united the universe and reapers......it kinda allows the possibility of the "dark energy" plot to continue.

I think the keyword is "PAY for LI DLC."
Work it might be, but I am pretty sure people would want to PAY for an alternate ending. 
Don't you?

Actually there are just such threads stating this.  I go back and forth about it.  I admit, I'd like it but paying for it well goes against the grain.  I would think it was done on purpose, but I want that closure.  I don't like walls of text after movies that tell me what happened, but that's better than nothing.

They could have easily incorporated one scene into the ending-like they did for the memorial wall.  What would have been different about it, really?  As standalone DLC, I don't know, but well they wouldn't have to even personalize it because isn't the whole idea that we try different choices?  You could create DLC that was The Aftermath which gives choices about who to see, what to do-help rebuild Rannoch, romance someone new and give up on your LI.  I can see things to do, but this just may not be enough to sway them.  It might have to be a part of some bigger content. 

[3DandBeyond]

RinuCZ wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok doesn't anyone think the control ending sounds ominous. The music is and the line about having power and destroying any enemy. I don't know, that one just sounded creepy.

The tone sounds cheery to me. All the we did good, I remember everyone, etc. But it still leaves a space for future twisted "I rule them all" God!Shepard and I like that vision.  

But the music is vastly darker and more ominous than in the rest of the endings-even the reject one sounds cheerier.  The speech sounds creepy.  And Shepard's voice (I only listened to the femShep one) is definitely creepy, IMO.  That might work for any Aftermath DLC (not that they will make any but one can dream).  I mean it would be interesting to see what happens after the choices were made and enacted.  GodShepard, reunions after destroy ("what have you done, Shepard?), synthesis ("nice eyes"), and reject.

[Redbelle]

Archonsg wrote...

@bluestorm83
I choose the dialogue rejection.
The speech brought a tear to my eye as to me it was the "here is MY Shepard!" moment, to see not a beaten and spiritually dead Shepard but the one we have played with over the years.

*snipped*

I will diminish, and go into the West, and remain Galadriel

[darkway1]

Archonsg wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

I don't think a "LI" ending or DLC would be possible......for you to get your personal ending they would have to make content for every single "LI" character,that's a lot of work.

I think an interesting point is about the original "dark energy " plot.......the collectors in Mass2 targeted humans because they had some thing unique about them,a human reaper would be built with the hope to stop this "dark energy".......some thing the reapers in their present state can't do.

Now that Shepard is in control or has united the universe and reapers......it kinda allows the possibility of the "dark energy" plot to continue.

I think the keyword is "PAY for LI DLC."
Work it might be, but I am pretty sure people would want to PAY for an alternate ending. 
Don't you?

I think there's a market for it but whether you can balance the books to do it is another story,your not going to make everyone happy unless you produce content for them all.
It's interesting that BIOWARE did not expand or explain Shepard's gasp scene.......if Shepard is alive then Shepard's adventures may not be over and uniting with a past love interest could be a realistic possibility.............the only serious issue as mentioned is the wealth of LI's,massive work.
I also wondered what would happen if Shepard was alive but was close to death,he gets shoved in stasis,stays there for 100 years............EDI and Liara will still be alive when Shepard wakes...................It would be a great concept to have Liara wait 50/100 years for Shepard to be fixed and brought to life again............of course this is only relevant to Liara fans.
I really hope that Bioware has learn't a few lessons for Mass3 and starts with a fresh slate if they produce a Mass4.

[Redbelle]

or if you want the full except

"You are wise and fearless and fair, Lady Galadriel,' said Frodo. 'I will give you the One Ring, if you ask for it. It is too great a matter for me.'
Galadriel laughed with a sudden clear laugh. 'Wise the Lady Galadriel may be,' she said, 'yet here she has met her match in courtesy. Gently are you revenged for my testing of your heart at our first meeting. You begin to see with a keen eye. I do not deny that my heart has greatly desired to ask what you offer. For many long years I had pondered what I might do, should the Great Ring come into my hands, and behold! it was brought within my grasp. The evil that was devised long ago works on in many ways, whether Sauron himself stands or falls. Would not that have been a noble deed to set to the credit of his Ring, if I had taken it by force or fear from my guest?
And now at last it comes. You will give me the Ring freely! In place of the Dark Lord you will set up a Queen. And I shall not be dark, but beautiful and terrible as the Morning and the Night! Fair as the Sea and the Sun and the Snow upon the Mountain! Dreadful as the Storm and the Lightning! Stronger than the foundations of the earth. All shall love me and despair!'
She lifted up her hand and from the ring that she wore there issued a great light that illuminated her alone and left all else dark. She stood before Frodo seeming now tall beyond measurement, and beautiful beyond enduring, terrible and worshipful. Then she let her hand fall, and the light faded, and suddenly she laughed again, and lo! she was shrunken: a slender elf-woman, clad in simple white, whose gentle voice was soft and sad.
'I pass the test,' she said.'I will diminish, and go into the West and remain Galadriel.

[BlueStorm83]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok doesn't anyone think the control ending sounds ominous. The music is and the line about having power and destroying any enemy. I don't know, that one just sounded creepy.

---  Yes.  That was ominous.  To be honest, they had to give Control's epilogue a Middle of the Road feel to it, unless they had a separate epilogue for Paragon or Renegade.  Renegade Shepard controlling the reapers as his enforcers to keep things the way he wants them?  Yeah, that makes sense to me.  PARAGON Shepard in Control?  He (and by he, I mean I, ME, MY CHOICE!) would be to take the Reapers... and withdraw.  I'd have any of the Goo-man Reapers stay and "fight back" stupidly missing with every single attack they made until they were killed.  Then the pure machine Reapers I'd keep around as my personal handymen.  We'd handle things like predicting any kind of serious astronomical problems like errant stars or supernovae, and then leak the information to the extranet to facilitate evacuations and things.  We'd leave the mortal races to their own devices.

But they couldn't really do that; at least not in just one 1.8 GB patch.  So we got a middle of the road.  Where Sheaperd hangs around to help out.  If the Reapers really just are, like, extentions of his "body" now, then thematically nothing much has changed.  Shepard is still saving the Galaxy.  Only now he's put on some weight.

Again, not a good ending.  None of the endings are true good endings.  That's what BioWare wanted to give us.  They wanted to give us bittersweet.  Or rather we get Bittersweet, Creepysweet, Revoltingsweet, and the all new We're all dead, but you guys are free-sweet.

[WardyLion]

Archonsg wrote...

BTW, wana bet someone will use that "reject option", re-edit the space battle scenes, re-cut with awesome music, and give us the WIN scenario via youtube?

I hope so! 

[WardyLion]

I don't have the time now to go into details or read any of the posts (but I will!) but what I will say for now is that I vastly enjoyed the Extended Cut DLC. Sure it wasn't perfect but it was hell of a lot better than the old ending and now I can replay the trilogy in the knowledge that I'm gonna get a pretty good ending now rather than a ****ty one.

Yes there are still issues but they are minor.

IN MY OWN OPINION, BioWare did good with this!

Shame about the Indoctrination Theory though - I liked it a lot

[RinuCZ]

3DandBeyond wrote...
But the music is vastly darker and more ominous than in the rest of the endings-even the reject one sounds cheerier.  The speech sounds creepy.  And Shepard's voice (I only listened to the femShep one) is definitely creepy, IMO.

I agree that the background music seems underlining the omnipotent power of Shepard. After all, she is "Guardian" with Reapers' army. Yet, it works as a positively sounding short-term epilog for me. For long-term, I always see Control as dark totalitarianism - either with EC or without it.

By the way, Hale's rumbling narration was a great addition to Control  

3DandBeyond wrote...
...synthesis ("nice eyes")....

Haha, I can't help but I find green eyes creepier than God!Shep. At least sensorially.

Modifié par RinuCZ, 28 juin 2012 - 09:36 .