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[Ticonderoga117]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

So it's 1.9 GB of a polished turd? But they're explaining how they polished it?

You know what would be really interesting? if they did a free download of the original ending, narrated by the writers where they explained how and why they came up with the s*** f*** of an ending they did. Now that is something I'd like to see. I would like to understand the artistic mind a little more than I do.

From the screenshot showing Hackett ordering Joker to run and start the chain of events to Joker's planet... yeah, so far it's looking like it.

I would love to know why they decided to do it as well, but I think that would only lead to madness and the spouting of "artistic integrity" to defend nonsense.

[The Angry One]

xGrinchy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
What it is, is a self-destructive mess that brought down the greatest sci-fi universe of this decade and the last for the sake of ego.
So no, I won't "enjoy" it.

And you will be gone after EC gets released, as you promised? Right?

What I do or do not do is none of your business.

[The Angry One]

Greed1914 wrote...

Goaliebot wrote...

ardias89 wrote...

Lets hope this DLC doesnt turn out to just be a gift to pro-enders.

From this screen it looks like it will be. If it offers super-simplistic (but stupid) explanations then a) the pro-enders get to say "see? It made sense all along! We were right all along!".

Then anti-enders reply "that's a completely stupid explanation".

And that's when the pro-enders get to call them cry-babies and say the anti-enders were "impossible to ever have made happy".

You can already see it in this thread. The pro-enders are positively giddy. If the whole EC turns out like this screenshot appears to have, it's going to be this thread x 1000.

Unfortunately, that seems to be where we're heading based on this preview. 

They've wasted time and money to please people who were already pleased.
There's a word for this.

Modifié par The Angry One, 22 juin 2012 - 08:47 .

[Ticonderoga117]

AxeloftheKey wrote...

If you guys didn't expect exactly this, you're idiots.

You raised a series of issues. We will proceed to get mini-cutscenes that LITERALLY explain every problem you had by showing what happened.

Bioware assumed that we would just infer what was happening. Now they think we're idiots who need everything spelled out for us.

I hope the other stuff in the EC, the stuff about personalizing it based on our choices, is good and valid. Because this part just bugs me.

Infering actions that make no sense even given the context of just the ending? Are you nuts? "All ships, run away from the planet we were fighting over because the do-dad we built isn't doing anything!" Yeah... sorry, they did the next worse thing by explaing BS by using BS it seems. I hope I'm really wrong on this.

[jumpingkaede]

 IF Hackett knew that the Crucible was a gigantic bomb

AND the fleet could simply outrun the explosion from Earth

Then that was just about the worst weapon and strategy ever.  The Reapers would presumably follow the fleet out and also outrun the explosion rendering the whole thing meaningless.

I guess it's possible the Reapers just stay behind after the Crucible is deployed and the entire fleet hightails it out of there and just figure that whatever the Crucible is it's not going to harm them...

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 22 juin 2012 - 08:48 .

[M Hedonist]

AxeloftheKey wrote...

If you guys didn't expect exactly this, you're idiots.

You raised a series of issues. We will proceed to get mini-cutscenes that LITERALLY explain every problem you had by showing what happened.

Bioware assumed that we would just infer what was happening. Now they think we're idiots who need everything spelled out for us.

I hope the other stuff in the EC, the stuff about personalizing it based on our choices, is good and valid. Because this part just bugs me.

Well, from the Podcast and the FAQ I really got the impression they didn't change anything about the Catalyst scene. Which is a shame since they could do much simply by expanding the dialogue. That's like one of the main major problems of the ending.

[Joe Del Toro]

The Angry One wrote...

They've wasted time and money to please people who were already pleased.
There's a word for this.

'Fartbrained' 

[M Hedonist]

Kem1995 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

So I guess the theory's finally dead. Yup. The "test jump theory" supporter  must be devastated right now.

Fixed

Fixed, indeed.
Although I have the feeling that this one supporter will keep believing the theory, anyway...

[TheExile1]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

And you guys say "Oh Joker. He's loyal. He'd never abandon Shepard." Wrong.

Well guess what? Joker is loyal to the Normandy. Joker is not loyal to Shepard. Joker would never abandon the Normandy. Joker got Shepard killed in the intro to ME2 by being a retard, and did Joker ever apologize for it? No. Not one time did Joker say "Hey, Commander. You know that stupid **** I did on the Normandy that got you killed that time? I'm really sorry about that. I felt horrible, and I mourned for two years. I'm glad they were able to bring you back from the dead." No. Not once. Not even anything close to that. Joker only cares about the Normandy, and now that EDI is the Normandy he really really only cares about the Normandy.

Wrong.



He clearly says its his fault the collector ship blew up the normandy and killed Shepard. 

Modifié par TheExile1, 22 juin 2012 - 09:13 .

[Alex Kershaw]

I'm just expecting a simple 'we have no idea what kind of explosion is gonna come out of this thing - leave the system and meet at the rendezvous point', and to me that's kinda acceptable - it's a million times better than not explaining the scene like in the original game...

[The Angry One]

jumpingkaede wrote...

 IF Hackett knew that the Crucible was a gigantic bomb

AND the fleet could simply outrun the explosion from Earth

Then that was just about the worst weapon and strategy ever.  The Reapers would presumably follow the fleet out and also outrun the explosion rendering the whole thing meaningless.

I guess it's possible the Reapers just stay behind after the Crucible is deployed and the entire fleet hightails it out of there and just figure that whatever the Crucible is it's not going to harm them...

Turning and running alerts the Reapers to either a) mass assault the Crucible or  follow the fleet.
This is such a strategic failure I can only assume Hackett became Admiral because he's VERY good in bed. Probably how he got that scar too.

[nos_astra]

jumpingkaede wrote...

 IF Hackett knew that the Crucible was a gigantic bomb

AND the fleet could simply outrun the explosion from Earth

Then that was just about the worst weapon and strategy ever.  The Reapers would presumably follow the fleet out and also outrun the explosion rendering the whole thing meaningless.

I guess it's possible the Reapers just stay behind after the Crucible is deployed and the entire fleet hightails it out of there and just figure that whatever the Crucible is it's not going to harm them...

Well, at least it follows an established pattern.

Hackett's a moron.
The Reapers are morons.

Ok, Joker stands redeemed.

Edit: Nooo, nooo. Hackett slept his way up. Brain bleach, please.

Modifié par klarabella, 22 juin 2012 - 08:54 .

[Kanon777]

The Angry One wrote...

xGrinchy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
What it is, is a self-destructive mess that brought down the greatest sci-fi universe of this decade and the last for the sake of ego.
So no, I won't "enjoy" it.

And you will be gone after EC gets released, as you promised? Right?

What I do or do not do is none of your business.

But... you made a promise!!!! Please?

Modifié par Kanon777, 22 juin 2012 - 08:54 .

[Goaliebot]

Greed1914 wrote...

Goaliebot wrote...

ardias89 wrote...

Lets hope this DLC doesnt turn out to just be a gift to pro-enders.

From this screen it looks like it will be. If it offers super-simplistic (but stupid) explanations then a) the pro-enders get to say "see? It made sense all along! We were right all along!".

Then anti-enders reply "that's a completely stupid explanation".

And that's when the pro-enders get to call them cry-babies and say the anti-enders were "impossible to ever have made happy".

You can already see it in this thread. The pro-enders are positively giddy. If the whole EC turns out like this screenshot appears to have, it's going to be this thread x 1000.

Unfortunately, that seems to be where we're heading based on this preview. 

Indeed. Expect lots more of this stuff:

xGrinchy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
What it is, is a self-destructive mess that brought down the greatest sci-fi universe of this decade and the last for the sake of ego.
So no, I won't "enjoy" it.

And you will be gone after EC gets released, as you promised? Right?

[The Angry One]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

I'm just expecting a simple 'we have no idea what kind of explosion is gonna come out of this thing - leave the system and meet at the rendezvous point', and to me that's kinda acceptable - it's a million times better than not explaining the scene like in the original game...

Alright, riddle me this. Where is the rendezvous point?
It has to be far enough away for Joker to have been thrown out of FTL in proximity of a garden world outside of Sol.

So, why the hell make a rendezvous point outside of Sol? Did Hackett expect the whole system to explode?

[devSin]

Joker goddamn well better start making static noises and saying "What's that, admiral? Schhhh. You're breaking up! Cllllshshhhhh. It must be interference from the Crucible. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh."

Otherwise, no sale.

[jumpingkaede]

Greed1914 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Alright guys, let's set the Joker thing aside.
You know what this implies, right?

The entire fleet fled. Therefore, the Crucible wave caught up to them and shredded their engines, causing them to crash on remote planets (if they're lucky) or break apart/drift in deep space.

The good news: Nobody from the fleet will starve to death in Sol!
The bad news: Because they're all dead or stranded on remote planets.

There is also the clear problem with timing. The fleet is still fighting while Starkid talks, so somehow the order was given and all the ships were bailing within what? Seconds? Maybe minutes? Unless that is changed somehow, it doesn't add up.

Correct. The Crucible is "armed" at two possible moments.

#1. When it connects to the Citadel. This we know cannot be the moment the crew retreats, as things stand, because Hackett tells Shepard that the Crucible isn't doing anything and you SEE the fleet still fighting afterward. (I suppose Bioware can pretend the fleet is fighting as it is retreating but that still doesn't address the issue of the Crucible not doing anything.)

#2. When Shepard activates the Crucible. However, seeing as how no one knows Shepard activated it it's problematic in and of itself.

Maybe... maybe Shepard radios Hackett and says something like, "Admiral, I've made my decision, it was an honor serving alongside you all blah blah NOW I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO THE BEAM!"

?

klarabella wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

 IF Hackett knew that the Crucible was a gigantic bomb

AND the fleet could simply outrun the explosion from Earth

Then that was just about the worst weapon and strategy ever.  The Reapers would presumably follow the fleet out and also outrun the explosion rendering the whole thing meaningless.

I guess it's possible the Reapers just stay behind after the Crucible is deployed and the entire fleet hightails it out of there and just figure that whatever the Crucible is it's not going to harm them...

[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/pouty.png[/smilie]

Well, at least it follows an established pattern.

Hackett's a moron.
The Reapers are morons.

Ok, Joker stands redeemed.

Edit: Nooo, nooo. Hackett slept his way up. Brain bleach, please.

Do we actually have any evidence of Hackett's competence?  Maybe he just grandfathered his way in because of the First Contact War.  I mean, he was completely helpless without Shepard in ME1.  "Shepard... I need you to, uh, talk to this guy about some stuff on his base because... yeah, remember  you're still Alliance.  And such."

Then he sent Shepard to his doom in Arrival.  By himself.  Because one man had a better chance of sneaking in and out?  (As opposed to, say, a trained three-person squad that had been getting things done clandestinely for years).  Also they would probably want to send someone who wasn't high profile, right?  Not the most-well-known human and anti-Batarianist in the entire galaxy?

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 22 juin 2012 - 08:56 .

[The Angry One]

Kanon777 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

xGrinchy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
What it is, is a self-destructive mess that brought down the greatest sci-fi universe of this decade and the last for the sake of ego.
So no, I won't "enjoy" it.

And you will be gone after EC gets released, as you promised? Right?

What I do or do not do is none of your business.

But... you made a promise!!!!

I am very much amused by people who have convinced yourselves that we who have problems with the ending are the problem, and not the ending itself.
Such is how the decline of a developer is truly demonstrated.

[Shaleist]

Umm.. I'd hope Admiral Hacket would call the fleet off once the Crucible was KNOWN to be about to fire. Why engage the Reapers longer than they have to? They've already poured 100% of their effort into this magical Crucible to save their asses. BUT isn't he a little too in the dark to call off the fleet until the moment RBG lights start flickering? What if Shep bled out after radio contact and no one could hit the 'fire' button on the crucible. Does Hacket hear some sort of radio on Shep when he talks to space ghost?

I advise those seeing this to not read too much into it.























yet.

Modifié par Shaleist, 22 juin 2012 - 09:00 .

[M Hedonist]

The Angry One wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

I'm just expecting a simple 'we have no idea what kind of explosion is gonna come out of this thing - leave the system and meet at the rendezvous point', and to me that's kinda acceptable - it's a million times better than not explaining the scene like in the original game...

Alright, riddle me this. Where is the rendezvous point?
It has to be far enough away for Joker to have been thrown out of FTL in proximity of a garden world outside of Sol.

So, why the hell make a rendezvous point outside of Sol? Did Hackett expect the whole system to explode?

Also: If they expected the Crucible to blow up the whole system, why not just destroy the Charon Relay in the first place?

[WhiteKnyght]

revo76 wrote...

N7Infernox wrote...

revo76 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

Might as well post it here. This is what Hackett says:

"All Fleets: The Crucible is armed. Disengage and head to the rendezvous point."

By looking to this, this explains why we see alive Shep if we have more than 5k EMS. However this does not explain or clarify the meaning of it....

um... how does it do that again?

Because they left Shepard in Citadel normally, and  they decided to retreat. If you have 5k+ EMS Shep is alive.

More ships - Shep is alive
Less ships - Shep is dead 

what's the connection with Reaper and ship numbers and retreat decision while Shepard is inside of Citadel.. Unknown. Cleary Hackett thought that Shepard is dead after the contact with him. But once Shepard talked with him Hackett said Crucible is not firing too ?

MINDBLOWN

That's simple.

More ships = Sword fleet stronger and more Reapers are killed before the Shield fleet moves in with the Crucible, meaning they can better protect it. The various outcomes is likely determined by the condition of the crucible when it fires. There was a gap in time between Shepard passing out and being woken up by Starboy. We just don't know how long.

Hackett ordering the fleets to disengage could have been a safety measure, except for the shield fleet who he was likely ready to sacrifice(he did say he sacrificed an entire fleet just so the others could retreat when the Reaper's hit Arcturus.)

Armed =/= Firing. He was likely referring to the fact that it was docked and that Shepard was going to activate it from his side.

[Greed1914]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They've wasted time and money to please people who were already pleased.
There's a word for this.

'Fartbrained' 

Close enough to what I was thinking.

[M Hedonist]

Kanon777 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

xGrinchy wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
What it is, is a self-destructive mess that brought down the greatest sci-fi universe of this decade and the last for the sake of ego.
So no, I won't "enjoy" it.

And you will be gone after EC gets released, as you promised? Right?

What I do or do not do is none of your business.

But... you made a promise!!!! Please?

I LIED

[WhiteKnyght]

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

[Shaleist]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

Agreed.