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[jumpingkaede]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

I'm not bashing EC I'm just having fun with it. 

If the ending is going to be redeemed, hooray!  If not... I paid $80, I should be able to get my kicks and satisfaction in somehow?

[Hudathan]

lillitheris wrote...

Also, relay jumps are instantaneous per codex. Therefore, Normandy is not doing a relay jump.

They are not instantaneous as proven repeatedly in game. Joker says that the fleet will be "through the relay in 30 seconds" before they arrive for the battle of Earth. Blame the codex for being over-simplified in its language regarding relay travel but as far as the storytelling is concerned it's consistent.

[M Hedonist]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

Yeah. We only got one picture.
And the FAQ.
And a podcast where the devs talk about what's gonna be in the EC for 10 minutes.
Other than that, we're completely clueless.

[The Angry One]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

Because it answered it badly.

There are several people, including myself, who predicted such a half assed answer as this and explained months ago why it's a terrible idea.

Yes, that's right. An unsatisfactory answer leaves people unsatisfied. SHOCKING.

[lillitheris]

Hudathan wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

Also, relay jumps are instantaneous per codex. Therefore, Normandy is not doing a relay jump.

They are not instantaneous as proven repeatedly in game. Joker says that the fleet will be "through the relay in 30 seconds" before they arrive for the battle of Earth. Blame the codex for being over-simplified in its language regarding relay travel but as far as the storytelling is concerned it's consistent.

0. Codex is fact.
1. How do you know it’s not 30 seconds until they jump and then arrive?
2. Could be multiple jumps to bring the entire fleet.

[Alex Kershaw]

The Angry One wrote...

Alex Kershaw wrote...

I'm just expecting a simple 'we have no idea what kind of explosion is gonna come out of this thing - leave the system and meet at the rendezvous point', and to me that's kinda acceptable - it's a million times better than not explaining the scene like in the original game...

Alright, riddle me this. Where is the rendezvous point?
It has to be far enough away for Joker to have been thrown out of FTL in proximity of a garden world outside of Sol.

So, why the hell make a rendezvous point outside of Sol? Did Hackett expect the whole system to explode?

Hmm - perhaps I completely misunderstood the endings but I always thought Normandy was taken down by the explosion of the Relay; i.e. Hackett tells them to go to the rendezvous point, Joker gets through just in time, relay explodes, Joker gets hit by some of the explosion and crashes onto a stupidly convenient garden world. Why would the actual force from the Crucible damage the Normandy?

And a rendezvous point outside of Sol makes some sense I guess - they'd want to check that the reapers were gone from other systems too wouldn't they?

[Lone Triarii]

So the ending still isn’t going to make sense? Didn’t see that coming.

[zyntifox]

Well if Joker is abandoning Shepard due to an order from Hackett and still finds time to pick-up my squadmates on earth, im going to kill his girlfriend! Destroy ending here i come!

[Jedifan421]

Alright, first, one line out of context, we can not judge the EC on. That's a given.

Second, but if it is only this one line to explain why Joker left Shepard on Earth and fled to the relay, and I hope it isn't, it still doesn't make sense and raises more questions.

That being said, the whole Joker abandoning Shepard issue and fleeing through the relay was the least of my problems with the ending. I still want to see if they change the ending without actually "changing it."

[Carlthestrange]

Lets just see what happens. I want to be proven wrong.

[Joe Del Toro]

Sauruz wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

Yeah. We only got one picture.
And the FAQ.
And a podcast where the devs talk about what's gonna be in the EC for 10 minutes.
Other than that, we're completely clueless.

Shhh, let him have his sassy moment.

[Alex Kershaw]

Another thing to bear in mind is that the EC might change existing scenes in the game or add extra lines before/after which makes this line make more sense (e.g. the 'wave' scene changes - we can hope)

[M Hedonist]

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

Yeah. We only got one picture.
And the FAQ.
And a podcast where the devs talk about what's gonna be in the EC for 10 minutes.
Other than that, we're completely clueless.

Shhh, let him have his sassy moment.

We've been pretending not to know what's gonna be in the EC for like two months now <_<

[thesnake777]

Sauruz wrote...

We've been pretending not to know what's gonna be in the EC for like two months now <_<

...Ignorence is bliss....

[lillitheris]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

If you haven’t been paying attention (you haven’t), we’re bashing that screenshot that doesn’t answer the question in any manner resembling logical, sane, or even far-fetched but plausible.

[Kem1995]

Sauruz wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

Yeah. We only got one picture.
And the FAQ.
And a podcast where the devs talk about what's gonna be in the EC for 10 minutes.
Other than that, we're completely clueless.

Shhh, let him have his sassy moment.

We've been pretending not to know what's gonna be in the EC for like two months now <_<

We can pretend for 4 more days:wizard:

[nos_astra]

jumpingkaede wrote...
#2. When Shepard activates the Crucible. However, seeing as how no one knows Shepard activated it it's problematic in and of itself.

Maybe... maybe Shepard radios Hackett and says something like, "Admiral, I've made my decision, it was an honor serving alongside you all blah blah NOW I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO THE BEAM!"

If only this were true. It's pure comedic gold.

Do we actually have any evidence of Hackett's competence?

For many people his competence is evident because he trusted Shepard when no one else did. Just like this. :innocent: Awesome, right?

[WhiteKnyght]

The Angry One wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...

 IF Hackett knew that the Crucible was a gigantic bomb

AND the fleet could simply outrun the explosion from Earth

Then that was just about the worst weapon and strategy ever.  The Reapers would presumably follow the fleet out and also outrun the explosion rendering the whole thing meaningless.

I guess it's possible the Reapers just stay behind after the Crucible is deployed and the entire fleet hightails it out of there and just figure that whatever the Crucible is it's not going to harm them...

Turning and running alerts the Reapers to either a) mass assault the Crucible or  follow the fleet.
This is such a strategic failure I can only assume Hackett became Admiral because he's VERY good in bed. Probably how he got that scar too.

Except that the Reapers would be more likely to attack the crucible. But Hackett would probably sacrifice some troops to defend it while the rest of the fleets escaped. He did it with the Alliance fleets at Arcturus after all.

And the Reaper's boss was willing to cooperate with Shepard, once he made his choice he probably ordered them not to touch the Crucible.

[M Hedonist]

Kem1995 wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

Joe Del Toro wrote...

Sauruz wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

Yeah. We only got one picture.
And the FAQ.
And a podcast where the devs talk about what's gonna be in the EC for 10 minutes.
Other than that, we're completely clueless.

Shhh, let him have his sassy moment.

We've been pretending not to know what's gonna be in the EC for like two months now <_<

We can pretend for 4 more days:wizard:

If you ask me, I think I may even keep pretending we don't know what's in the EC after it's released...

[fainmaca]

On the issue of Joker taking the Normandy away-

To be clear, Bioware, we wanted a good reason for everyone to abandon Shepard. A GOOD, POWERFUL REASON. All you're giving us is someone saying that everyone should abandon Shepard. THAT EXPLAINS NOTHING. It fails to give us the reason we were looking for. There's not even any 'clarification' in this.

[WhiteKnyght]

lillitheris wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

If you haven’t been paying attention (you haven’t), we’re bashing that screenshot that doesn’t answer the question in any manner resembling logical, sane, or even far-fetched but plausible.

How is that not logical? Hackett, Anderson, and Liara had all been wondering if the Crucible would kill them along with the Reapers for like half the game. I find the fact that they had an escape plan just in case to be very reasonable.

Just admit it, nothing less than a completely new ending will be satisfactory. You all will deliberately poke holes in anything you see until you get what you want.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 22 juin 2012 - 09:12 .

[The Angry One]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Except that the Reapers would be more likely to attack the crucible. But Hackett would probably sacrifice some troops to defend it while the rest of the fleets escaped. He did it with the Alliance fleets at Arcturus after all.

A handful of cruisers are not going to repel 50+ Sovereign class Reapers.

And the Reaper's boss was willing to cooperate with Shepard, once he made his choice he probably ordered them not to touch the Crucible.

Illogical. If that were so then it would order them to stop while Shepard is making the choice.
According to the Catalyst, the current solution became defunct the moment Shepard arrived at that area.

[M Hedonist]

fainmaca wrote...

On the issue of Joker taking the Normandy away-

To be clear, Bioware, we wanted a good reason for everyone to abandon Shepard. A GOOD, POWERFUL REASON. All you're giving us is someone saying that everyone should abandon Shepard. THAT EXPLAINS NOTHING. It fails to give us the reason we were looking for. There's not even any 'clarification' in this.

Maybe... Hackett was indoctrinated?!
Yeah, no, but we can keep hoping for 4 days.

[The Angry One]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.

If you haven’t been paying attention (you haven’t), we’re bashing that screenshot that doesn’t answer the question in any manner resembling logical, sane, or even far-fetched but plausible.

How is that not logical? Hackett, Anderson, and Liara had all been wondering if the Crucible would kill them along with the Reapers for like half the game. I find the fact that they had an escape plan just in case to be very reasonable.

Because they also know that the Crucible is going to affect the GALAXY.
HOW are you going to run away from the GALAXY?

This is like planting a bomb in a building then trying to escape the blast by hiding in a room down the hall.

Moreover, stuff like rendezvous points and planned retreats is something you discuss at breifings BEFORE the battle.

Modifié par The Angry One, 22 juin 2012 - 09:14 .

[zovoes]

mac had to have his dumb ass Adam and eve ending huh?