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Admiral Hackett told Joker to leave the fight and either go through the Sol relay/engage FTL


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The Angry One wrote...

They've wasted time and money to please people who were already pleased.
There's a word for this.


Unfortunately I don't think it was about pleasing, but rather about defending and protecting what they did in the original ending.

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RESOLUTION: The rendezvous point is the garden planet on which the Normandy crashed. Everyone is saved, game over, wins all around.

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BP20125810 wrote...

Not only is IT dead now, it is burned into ashes. The ashes were made into a milkshake, which were drunk by Eric Cartmen and pooped into the sewers.


haha

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antares_sublight wrote...

RESOLUTION: The rendezvous point is the garden planet on which the Normandy crashed. Everyone is saved, game over, wins all around.

And then the Normandy crew celebrates with the Ewoks.

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Goaliebot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They've wasted time and money to please people who were already pleased.
There's a word for this.


Unfortunately I don't think it was about pleasing, but rather about defending and protecting what they did in the original ending.


Which is also a futile waste of time. The pro-enders will defend it either way. The rest of us will still see it for what it is.

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Sauruz wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

RESOLUTION: The rendezvous point is the garden planet on which the Normandy crashed. Everyone is saved, game over, wins all around.

And then the Normandy crew celebrates with the Ewoks.

Hmm. Surprised they didn't have Ewoks fighting some Marauders and Brutes first.

Oh well.

Modifié par CrutchCricket, 22 juin 2012 - 09:18 .


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antares_sublight wrote...

RESOLUTION: The rendezvous point is the garden planet on which the Normandy crashed. Everyone is saved, game over, wins all around.


You know I can totally see BioWare making it so that the entire fleet crashes on the same damn planet.

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Except that the Reapers would be more likely to attack the crucible. But Hackett would probably sacrifice some troops to defend it while the rest of the fleets escaped. He did it with the Alliance fleets at Arcturus after all.


A handful of cruisers are not going to repel 50+ Sovereign class Reapers.

And the Reaper's boss was willing to cooperate with Shepard, once he made his choice he probably ordered them not to touch the Crucible.


Illogical. If that were so then it would order them to stop while Shepard is making the choice.
According to the Catalyst, the current solution became defunct the moment Shepard arrived at that area.


That's assuming there are even that many left in space. The battle in space looked pretty died down when making the choice compared to when it first started. Read the codex entries. A turian commander
with a single fleet of ships took down 12 Sovereign class Reapers
pretty easily when they first hit Palaven. Priority: Earth has every fleet in the freaking galaxy. We don't know how large Sword & Shield actually are.

Also it is not illogical. If you take too long making your choice, you get a critical mission failure. So the Catalyst's cooperation probably has limits. How many times have you and others called him a liar after all?

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The Angry One wrote...

Goaliebot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They've wasted time and money to please people who were already pleased.
There's a word for this.


Unfortunately I don't think it was about pleasing, but rather about defending and protecting what they did in the original ending.


Which is also a futile waste of time. The pro-enders will defend it either way. The rest of us will still see it for what it is.


I know. :(

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Goaliebot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They've wasted time and money to please people who were already pleased.
There's a word for this.


Unfortunately I don't think it was about pleasing, but rather about defending and protecting what they did in the original ending.


Based on how the few comments we have seen all revolved around maintaing their "art" that would seem to be the case. 

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The turians managed to kill the reaper capital ships because they FTL'd behid them and the reapers couldn't turn in time.

They don't have such an advance this time, not to mention the fleet has to be careful not to bomb earth, delaying their rate of fire.

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And why are you guys engaging someone who has this in their sig?

"STOP THE WHINE! - Put all the self-entitled gamer crybabies in their place!"

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The Angry One wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

lillitheris wrote...

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I find it funny that people are bashing EC when we've seen only ONE betatest shot that actually answers a question we were all wondering about.


If you haven’t been paying attention (you haven’t), we’re bashing that screenshot that doesn’t answer the question in any manner resembling logical, sane, or even far-fetched but plausible.


How is that not logical? Hackett, Anderson, and Liara had all been wondering if the Crucible would kill them along with the Reapers for like half the game. I find the fact that they had an escape plan just in case to be very reasonable.


Because they also know that the Crucible is going to affect the GALAXY.
HOW are you going to run away from the GALAXY?

This is like planting a bomb in a building then trying to escape the blast by hiding in a room down the hall.

Moreover, stuff like rendezvous points and planned retreats is something you discuss at breifings BEFORE the battle.


I actually don’t have a problem with that…I could accept it as a narrative device (I use similar in my fic, after all).

What I do have a problem with:

0. You don’t go into FTL inside a system. The risk of hitting something is too great, unless you have absolutely no other choice.
1. It takes ~5 hours to get to the termination shock (edge of solar system) at relativistic speeds.
2. The nearest possibly habitable planet to Earth is 10 ly away. This is 12+ hours of FTL travel.
3. Relay jumps are instantaneous (or microsecond scale).
4. If we, despite all logic, decide that the Normandy was hit in the middle of a relay jump the chances of ending up not dead near a habitable planet are, optimistically, something like 1:10^17
5. Lethal Cherenkov radiation for any abrupt FTL exit
6. Chances of surviving re-entry onto a planet with clearly a breathable atmosphere in an uncontrollable, damaged ship are…low.

I think I have some others, but let’s solve those first.

(If someone is interested, the first few chapters of “Unity” have my take on a scenario that takes all these factors into account…although the whole picture isn’t revealed until later.)

Modifié par lillitheris, 22 juin 2012 - 09:23 .


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Angry One and others, you have seen a screenshot without the full context that goes on with that screenshot. There is more content around that shot not included.

While I understand you are guarded about what the EC will be, I do suggest until you play it or experience it in the full before you talk about how bad it is. If, having doe so, it still does not meet your expectations or it does (because they are negative and you believe we do not fix the issue) THEN complain about it.



:devil:

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 22 juin 2012 - 09:23 .


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Maybe I haven't played this series for 5 years *or however old it is* but this 'Pro Ender' 'Anti Ender' stuff sounds a little silly. If someone's mad or happy.... let them be mad or happy.

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The Grey Nayr wrote...

That's assuming there are even that many left in space. The battle in space looked pretty died down when making the choice compared to when it first started. Read the codex entries. A turian commander
with a single fleet of ships took down 12 Sovereign class Reapers
pretty easily when they first hit Palaven. Priority: Earth has every fleet in the freaking galaxy. We don't know how large Sword & Shield actually are.


If the fleet beat the Reapers down to the point that they barely had any capital ships left from the 100+ present in the opening battle scene... why do they need the Crucible again?
Moreover, the exact same events happen with low EMS, where the fleet is smaller and getting ripped apart right from the beginning.

Also it is not illogical. If you take too long making your choice, you get a critical mission failure. So the Catalyst's cooperation probably has limits. How many times have you and others called him a liar after all?


Because it is a dishonest little weasel. However, being so wishy washy about the situation is illogical even for it.

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The Angry One wrote...

antares_sublight wrote...

RESOLUTION: The rendezvous point is the garden planet on which the Normandy crashed. Everyone is saved, game over, wins all around.


You know I can totally see BioWare making it so that the entire fleet crashes on the same damn planet.

Yeah, what more closure could you want? if someone's gotta be stranded, might as well be the entire fleet, right?

I feel so ... justified.

Modifié par antares_sublight, 22 juin 2012 - 09:23 .


#293
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The Angry One wrote...

Goaliebot wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

They've wasted time and money to please people who were already pleased.
There's a word for this.


Unfortunately I don't think it was about pleasing, but rather about defending and protecting what they did in the original ending.


Which is also a futile waste of time. The pro-enders will defend it either way. The rest of us will still see it for what it is.


Yeah its real easy to believe snap judgments are true as gospel when you've seen 1 second of footage.

You saw a single second of one scene being betatested. Things could change, there could also be more that explains it!

Also one of the other screenshots showed a flow chart for EC. Take a look at it if you already haven't. It looks detailed.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Angry One and others, you have seen a screenshot without the full context that goes on with that screenshot. There is more content around that shot not included.

While I understand you are guarded about what the EC will be, I do suggest until you play it or experience it in the full before you talk about how bad it is. If, having doe so, it still does not meet your expectations or it does (because they are negative and you believe we do not fix the issue) THEN complain about it.


Hey, now, we’re just engaging in LOTS OF SPECULATION ^_^

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Funny to see how they managed it to squeeze the "logic" tree into the pictures.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Angry One and others, you have seen a screenshot without the full context that goes on with that screenshot. There is more content around that shot not included.

While I understand you are guarded about what the EC will be, I do suggest until you play it or experience it in the full before you talk about how bad it is. If, having doe so, it still does not meet your expectations or it does (because they are negative and you believe we do not fix the issue) THEN complain about it.



:devil:


Well, from our perspective it doesn't look good. It doesn't help that I already expected such a line to be the worst case scenario.

In any case, speaking for myself, I'm perfectly happy with being cynical, arguing about it and then being proven wrong.

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antares_sublight wrote...

RESOLUTION: The rendezvous point is the garden planet on which the Normandy crashed. Everyone is saved, game over, wins all around.


But there's no way this could have been implied in the original ending...

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Angry One and others, you have seen a screenshot without the full context that goes on with that screenshot. There is more content around that shot not included.

While I understand you are guarded about what the EC will be, I do suggest until you play it or experience it in the full before you talk about how bad it is. If, having doe so, it still does not meet your expectations or it does (because they are negative and you believe we do not fix the issue) THEN complain about it.



:devil:

The line of dialog in the screenshot along with what we know happened is quite a bit of concrete material.

Modifié par antares_sublight, 22 juin 2012 - 09:29 .


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The Grey Nayr wrote...

Yeah its real easy to believe snap judgments are true as gospel when you've seen 1 second of footage.

You saw a single second of one scene being betatested. Things could change, there could also be more that explains it!

Also one of the other screenshots showed a flow chart for EC. Take a look at it if you already haven't. It looks detailed.


Detailed minutae. The truly important part for me, the silly crash and the insipid Adam and Eve start over in Eden ending appears to have not changed. If that hasn't changed then everything else is pointless.

If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. No one will be happier than me if I am.

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Chris Priestly wrote...

Angry One and others, you have seen a screenshot without the full context that goes on with that screenshot. There is more content around that shot not included.

While I understand you are guarded about what the EC will be, I do suggest until you play it or experience it in the full before you talk about how bad it is. If, having doe so, it still does not meet your expectations or it does (because they are negative and you believe we do not fix the issue) THEN complain about it.



:devil:


Thank you. That is all.